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From: joie  (Original Message)Sent: 9/7/2004 5:28 PM
I have a heavy burden on my heart today concerning the bad things going on in our world.  I just felt to call upon each of our members to take some time out to pray about these horrible things going on. 
 
I know we 'hear' it and hear it until sometimes we become insensitive to the urgent needs of others.  But today as I read about the burial of so many in Russia it just broke my heart.  I read of the burial of a little eight year old boy who had been shot in the back by those evil militant rebels.  They opened his little coffin, kissed his forehead and told him goodby.  They then place his favorite toy, a little red truck in with him.  This just broke my heart and I began to weep for them.
 
About 156 children were killed for no reason.  Over 300 were killed by the rebels.  Children were shot in the back.  This is something to weep over and seek God for.  Those people need comfort and help against the evil ones who did this horrible deed.  May God require it of them and repay them.  May God comfort the hearts of loved ones as they bury their dead.  God help us all.  God help them.
 
The third hurricane is on its way toward Fla.  We need to pray about these things.  Most of our eastern states are in danger from these storms.  So many people are out of homes, power, daily needs and more are dead, and more in danger.
 
Let's all pray about these perilous times we live in.  Pray for those in danger and pain.
 
Love Jesus, I sincerely ask for your protection to all of us as those storms pass by.  May your glory be manifested in a super-natural way.
 
And I sincerely ask you to be with the Russians and the peoples of the rest of the world who are in battles, war, blood-shed and horror today.  Help them to find you and your protection and comfort.  May your Will be accomplished in all these situations.
 
Your child,
Jo


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From: MSN NicknameClaudia5226Sent: 11/17/2004 3:15 PM
Dear  Jo. Like you these terrible things are heart breaking and mind-bogglingly mad and so evil that I cannot even comphend how any humanbeing can think that their point/cause/grievences may be helped by the killing off helpless ones.  I too pray for all those who are victims of all this madness and evil, and I pray for those who have to look on, feeling helpless. Dear sister, I feel we must pray also, and even more, for those who commit such things. (and I am worried as I type in case I offend because most do not want to think about the evil ones with any kind of thought other than to see them suffer). I PRAY that they will repent and find the Lord and I pray that anyone with thought of rebellion, no matter how small, from picketting an abotion clinic to the revenge of  a nation (i.e. WARs). Nations have been killing kid and helpless always even our own so called christain nations, but because we saw it in living-T  V-colour it is more heartbreaking. 
 
It is only when we put all these things into Gods hands,  put real trust in his power to deal with all this terrible pains in the world.  I KNOW he has this all in hand and there is a pupose (even though we do not always see/understand why.
 
The challenge for TRUE followers of Christ is to LOVE those who do wrong (hate what they do - the action)  I cannot always go this of course, but the challenge is there and the blessings in putting it in practices is 10,20, 100 fold from our Heavenly Father.  Satan wants you to hate, like him.  do not let him win . In jesus name I pray for all of us. LOVE

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From: joie2Sent: 11/18/2004 9:00 PM
Dear Marie,
That is a sweet and true message.  And like you said, it is a hard one to carry out.  But also there comes a time when God hates, and he calls on us to hate and not to pray for certain ones.  When God turns them over to reprobate minds, he tells us no longer to pray for them.  They are then hell-bound. 
Jesus himself told the disciples to let the Pharisees of their day alone, for, said he,  how can they escape the damnation of hell.
 
He told Jeremiah not to pray for certain people.  He also rebuked Samuel for mourning over Saul and told him no longer to pray for Saul.
 
Now I feel those rebels who can take and destroy innocent children just to try and further their own evil agenda, are in that catagory of 'let them alone'  'how can they escape the damnation of hell.'
But of course we need to pray and see if it is God's will for us to take this stand against them.
Thank you for you sweet message.
 
Love to you,
Jo

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From: MSN NicknameClaudia5226Sent: 11/22/2004 11:45 PM
Dear Jo. I didn't know that (Jeremiah told not to pray for certain ones and Samuel rebuked for mourning over saul)  How do we balance the scripture that says Love thy enemy.  I took it to mean that you should not hate anyone,  that hate is Gods right because he is in the correct position to judge the workings of a persons heart and mind.  I HATE the bad things that people do.  I worked as a crisis line worker for womans refuge and parentline -I also ran workshops that helped women who were violent.  My Job required me to listen to them telling me what they had done to others. Even to their own children. Most hated themselves more than I could  hate them. AND many started off the workshop totally believing that I were not doing anything wrong  or that it's just life because they grew up in that sort of enviroment.  What I am trying to say, is that I do not know.  I spent ages trying to learn to look past the evil that people do and pray that they see their error and repent.  I cannot know who is really bad and not worth praying for as we are all sinners. 
 
When it comes to taking a stand, How do you mean, I thought Christ followers should only
take a stand in terms of their own personal choices and not what any other human being is doing.  I know God can see and judge and he wll.  I do not have to do it  I really do rattle on and I am trying to process what I am writing while I write.  I will break for food / prayer/ reflection
 
I feel alittle lost. not about the above, (although it's part of it)  Maybe I need to do a testemony, their is sjust so much going on for me I just do not know where to start.  I've read some and they all seem to be relating peoples waking up to the truth and then having this feeling that they   now know, how to be, or what to believe/ how to  live.  I am so messed up. 
 
I'll get back to you
 

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From: joie2Sent: 11/23/2004 12:43 AM
Dear Marie,
 
You are really in good shape and headed in the right direction ---for you are seeking truth.  Most people today CLOSE their own eyes, and shut up their own ears.  They will not listen to any truth.  So they cut themselves off.
 
Now...... to love your neighbor as yourself means that we do not do any harm to that other person.  Love worketh no ill toward his neighbor....see?  This is the word of God.
 
But, there is a gift of discernment which God gives to some of us.  Not to brag, but only to show you truth, God has given me that gift.  Now this does not mean that I know everything.  It only means that God shows me many things which others do not see.
 
Notice, GOD told Jeremiah when he should no longer pray for people.  It was not Jeremiah's own thoughts.
GOD told Samuel to no longer mourn over or pray for Saul.  It was God's thoughts.  Sameul only obeyed.
 
Jesus said I say only what the Father tells me to say......but ....watch him rebuke and really SCAULD those hypocrites!  See, God gave him that understanding.
 
Many times I tell people things which God has shown me and they have no idea how I knew it.  It was not my thoughts, it was discernment from God.
 
The Baptism of the Holy Ghost, according to the Book of Acts. is STILL real and necessary for us today.  I have that in my life.  Most every church today denies this glory to their people.  WITHOUT this, one will NEVER know the real truth.  It is the Spirit of God which teaches us real truth.  It must match all of the word.  The Spirit and the Word always AGREE.
 
If God shows you to no longer pray for a person, then obey Him.  We are not duty bound to love evil people.  We love them in that we do them no harm.  But to love a wicked, murder is not called for as Christians. God said for us to CONTEMN [means hate] the wicked.
 
We see him for what he is.  But we do not hate with the kind of hatred which harms others.  We hate because we love righteousness and we see that evil person as evil.
 
Do no worry over this kind of stuff.  Seek for the Baptism of the Holy Ghost.  That is where everyone must come to if they are to ever go on with God. .....and...
 
NO!  We are not all sinners.  Not after being filled with the Holy Ghost.  Not after being washed with the blood of Jesus.  Then we are clean and righteous as He is righteous, for he gives us his righteousness.
 
Don't let lying churches teach you that Christians are sinners.  If so, then how are they Christians?
 
It is a lie of Satan.  God's true children are not sinners.  We are Christians = Christ like.  Filled with His Holy Spirit.
 
The gifts of the Spirit will give you what you are desiring and needing.  But first, one must receive the Baptism of the Holy Ghost and be water baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ for the REMISSION of your sins.
 
AFTER your sins are REMITTED, then you are no longer a sinner.  For they [sins] are gone......that is what remission means......done away with.
 
Love to you,
and keep studying, don't grow discouraged, don't give up.
 
The reward is worth it all,
Jo

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From: MSN NicknameClaudia5226Sent: 11/23/2004 10:05 AM
Dear Jo, thanks for your encouraging words.  I need to take time out to look at what your saying. I am confussed,  I am a sinning person, every day, without fail.  I do not know a living humanbeing, past or present, who does not sin (who are perfect) except for Jesus, who became the Christ. Which Apostle was it that wrote that when he tries to do what is good, what is bad is what he ends up doing???  is that incorrect?? I will try to find it.... I do not exactly know or understand what you mean.  But I am afraid, so scared of being drawn into the wrong way.  I feel like there are no certainties, definates, absolutes,  and I donot trust anyone, not even myself.  I hear alot of people saying things like  God told me this or that and I become cautious around them.  I see myself as an evil person sometimes , because I do many things, knowingly, that are not of God.  I am afraide of those who lay hands on other as well.  I am such a coward.  I do understand what you mean about desernment. I do seperate myself from other who do things like thieving, slanderers, drunkards/drug users.  BUT I STILL SMOKE so I feel totally unable to look at others and desern that they are sinners,or bad, without seeing myself.
 
I will not give up searching,  I just don't understand this right now.  I really need to pray hard on this.   Maybe I will share one or two experiences in testemony but I have no reverlational moments, just a slo, gradual journey,  which has left me tired out and still learning, relearning.
 
love, respect
marie

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 Message 7 of 7 in Discussion 
From: joieSent: 11/23/2004 9:41 PM
Dear Marie, 
I HEAR you.  I have also been there.  I do understand where you are right now. .....and please...do not go away.  Stay right here with me or us, and let us help you find the truth and power.............power?....yes, there is power to quit sinning.  Without this power, there can be no salvation.
 
No, we are not all sinners..........not the true Christians.  A sinner is not a Christian and a Christian is not a sinner.  Now I am not implying that on the surface we do not ever make mistakes. 
 
But the blood of Jesus Christ, through the Baptism of the Holy Ghost, has CLEANSED US FROM ALL OUR SINS.
 
I know there is lot for you to study now.  but just do it as you can.  If I go too fast for you, just let me know.  It takes TIME to unlearn error and relearn truth.  So do not become discouraged.  Rejoice in each inch gained.
 
Yes, please give us as much of your testimony as you feel comfortable with.  I would LOVE to hear it.  Wish all of our members would do so, but for some reason, our members are hesitant to say anything.
 
See, to say you have become a true Christian, cleansed by the blood of Jesus, yet are still in sins every day, unable to get free, is to say that the blood of Jesus is no more powerful than the blood of bulls and goats which CAN NEVER TAKE AWAY SINS.
 
The reason almost 100% of church folks think they are saved and still sinners is because they are not coming in the     true way of salvation.....that laid out by the Apostles in the Book of Acts.  They have been led to believe a lie --that all one must do is just say they believe and ask forgiveness of sins.
 
This is NOT SALVATION.
 
It is only a start.  Without the Baptism of the Holy Ghost, sure, they do not have the overcoming power in their lives.  So they just go on sinning.  A true Christian hates sin, and is ever on guard against sin.  We live by faith and do not lust after sin.
 
We love righteousness, just as Jesus did, for He gave us of His Spirit.
 
I am tired now, and will continue to show you these things at a later time.  But for now, study this.  In Romans seven, the Scripture you spoke of,  Paul was only showing what it was like UNDER THE OLD LAW.
 
He was NOT saying that is how Christians live.  In Chapter 8, he shows that in Christ, there is NO CONDEMNATION.
 
I have a message here somewhere on Romans 7.  I will try and find it for you.
 
Satan has used that twisting of Romans 7 to endorse sin in the Christain. It is a big lie.
 
Keep studying,
Love and peace and light to you,
Jo

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