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From: joie  (Original Message)Sent: 9/22/2003 1:20 AM
Question>>>>>>>
Who do you say Mystery Babylon is?  What do you prove your belief with?
 
Show Scripture proof.


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 Message 111 of 125 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 4/23/2008 1:35 PM

2pe 2:10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.

2pe 2:11 Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.

2pe 2:12 But these, (those walking after the FLESH,)---as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption(clearly, God calls people who walk in the flesh,  BEASTS.  does NOT mean an animal.  It is totally SPIRITUAL.  They are BASTARDS to God.  It has not one thing to do with what RACE one is, and it certainly does NOT mean that some human mated with an animal and produced a mixed child.  this is impossible.)

2pe 2:13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;

2pe 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:

they are cursed here because of their own deceivings and sins.  It had nothing to do with who their parents were.  You do greatly err, not knowing God or his Scriptures.


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 Message 112 of 125 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 4/23/2008 1:47 PM

2pe 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:

2pe 2:15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness; (here God shows that these cursed children, had NOT been born of mixed parents, but had FORSAKEN the RIGHT WAY.....means they had at one time been in the RIGHT WAY.  Means Adam and Cain,  who went away and became beasts, by becoming wicked, forsaking God's ways.)

2pe 2:16 But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.

2pe 2:17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.

2pe 2:18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.

2pe 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. (Now there is your SERVANTS, who were on the ark, those who forsook the right way  = Ham.)

2pe 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. (so, now, does this mean they became good, then later became beasts, by going back and being born with an animal parent?  See your foolishness is too foolish to even be considered.  the latter end is worse than the beginning.  does not fit your filthy teachings one tiny bit.)

2pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. (this proves it has to do with their leaving the way of RIGHTEOUSNES, not how they were born in the flesh.  It does not have one thing to do with their race.)

2pe 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.  (so now, guess this means you became a dog, and a sow, or does it mean you had a dog for a mother?  It shows that after one leaves Jesus, to go back to sin, they are a dog and a sow or pig.  so now, are you a dog or a pig?  was it your mother, or your dad, which lay down with a dog and a pig?)


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 Message 113 of 125 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 4/23/2008 1:58 PM
ALL flesh had corrupted God's way.  Did not say  ALL BUT THE WHITE RACE.  Now did it ?  NO.  It said they ALL had forsaken the right way.
 

Ge 10:2 The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.

Ge 10:3 And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah.

Ge 10:4 And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.

Ge 10:5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations. (here we see that the Gentiles decended from Japheth.  So they were the very same as all the others, for they all came from Noah and his wife.  But see, they were DIVIDED after their tongue, family, and nation.  So it proves that when God divided their TONGUES, he also divided their nationality, or race.  Again you are proven to be a LIAR AND DECEIVER.)

Ge 10:6 And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan.

There is solid proof that Canaan was the son of HAM, NOT NOAH.

You do greatly err and lie.


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 Message 114 of 125 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknamechristiaannelSent: 4/23/2008 2:10 PM
You are contradicting yourself with your emotional instability and the spiritual malady.
 
Enclosed please find my WRIT about SPIRITUAL HEALTH.
 
Maybe it helps you.
 
 SPIRITUAL LAWS OF HEALTH!.htm  

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 Message 115 of 125 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 4/23/2008 2:18 PM
Now, more proof that the BEAST is not an animal, or a mixture of human and animal.  This is God's word, not some mad scientist or false prophet.
 

Da 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

Da 7:2 Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea.

Da 7:3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another

Da 7:19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;

Da 7:20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.

Da 7:21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

Da 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

Da 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

 

Read also Jude. He shows the same thing which Peter did�?that evil men are beasts.

In the above verses we find that those four kings are four great BEASTS. It is not saying animals, or part animal. He calls wicked men, brute beast, because they are without LIFE, having not God’s Spirit in them.

Now for a shocker�? That fourth BEAST, with the TEN HORNS, is that law nation of Israel, under Moses, that LAW.

Yep, that is those ten commandments hanging over people’s heads, threatening them with DEATH, for all kinds of ‘breaking�?of that law, such as picking up sticks on Sabbath. Such as going out their door on Sabbath. Such as starting a fire on Sabbath. Such as stoning to death for adultery. Etc. That is this FOURTH BEAST.

So watch what you say about God’s word.

You do great err, not knowing God or his Word. This is exactly what the world, as an army of SATAN, is fighting this precious KJV, all day, every day, everywhere. It pinpoints all your filthy lies and evil.

 


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 Message 116 of 125 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 4/23/2008 2:20 PM
Chris, prove me wrong, with Scripture, as I am doing to you.  I gave you God's word.  It is not wrong and I am  not emotional unstable.  That is what your kind would like to put out.  But the Scripture proves you to be the BEAST, THE LIAR, THE DECEIVED AND THE DECEIVER.
 
Are you a dog, or pig?  Which was your mother?

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 Message 117 of 125 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknamechristiaannelSent: 4/23/2008 2:50 PM
<DIR>

Gen 6:1 And it came to be, when men began to increase on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them,  that the sons of Elohim saw the daughters of men, that they were good. And they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.  And ???? said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever in his going astray. He is flesh, and his days shall be one hundred and twenty years."

INCREASE, DAUGHTERS. SONS, TOOK WIVES, MY SPIRIT

All refers to procreation

 

<DIR>

Gen 6:4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of Elohim came in to the daughters of ADAM and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, the men of name.

 

came in to the daughters of ADAM they bore children to them

YOU SAY AND I QUOTE: that there is no salvation for them"

I NEVER SAID THAT THERE IS SALVATION TO THEM IF THEY STOP, STOP, STOP, PROCREATION.

Ley me expalin it once more:

 

THE LAW SAYS:

<DIR>

Exo 20:5 you do not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, ???? your Elohim am a jealous El, visiting the crookedness of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me,

COPULATION IS NORMALLY A PROCESS BOWING DOWN ON THE KNEES [and these people are possed by the spirits in this worls, so by powing down to copulate is to serve those spirits or gods because they know the person is violating the COVENANT.]

Now look at the construction of the grammar:

[1] visiting the coorkedness of the fathers

indicates fathers who fathered children who committed a crime in that process . . .

[2] visiting in Hebrew actually means 'TO MAKE JUDGEMENT'

[3] on the children of the third and fourth generations

that is GRAND CHILDREN AND GREAT GRAND CHILDREN

[4] CHILDREN, who are the second generation are excluded. Why? Because they cannot be held responsible for the sins of their Fathers and their Mothers, but threy are given the option to STOP THIS NONSENSE, but if they dont, and carry on making children in the third and fourth generation, then they openlt show their hatred towards the CREATOR;

 

</DIR>

the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me

 

</DIR></DIR>

Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: Who is Babylon?

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Who is Babylon?

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  Recommend Message 108 in Discussion
From: Freeborn551

From: <NOBR>christiaannel</NOBR> Sent: 4/23/2008 5:03 AM
This might be a repeat, because I am sure I had already posted this post, is, I appologize.
 
This where you are deceived:
 
[1] Because we were not all the same, a problem came and the very first COVENANT was a GENETIC COVENANT;
Gen 3:14 And ???? Elohim said to the serpent, Because you have done this, you are cursed more than all livestock and more than every beast of the field.  And I put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her Seed.
THE SECOND COVENANT WAS A GENETIC COVENANT:
Gen 6:18 And I shall establish My covenant with you, and you shall come into the ark, you and your sons and your wife and your sons wives with you.
Note that here is racial discrimination: Only Noah and his family, in total EIGHT were included in the COVENANT. The others and the animals on the ARK were not part of the COVENANT and were under the authority of NOAH.
THS THIRD COVENANT WAS A GENETIC COVENANT:


JO:  No, Chris.  You are the one who is deceived.  You are letting flesh blind you to the real truth here.

It was NOT Genetic, seeing that the entire earth of that day was all the very same race.  No one at that time had been changed from the original creation of Adam and Eve.

Noah and his family were saved because they had FAITH, or GRACE, in God.  It had not one single thing to do with GENETICS.

They were of the very same race as all the others of that day.  God did NOT DIVIDE them until there at the Tower of Babel.

You do greatly ERR, not knowing the Scriptures or the TRUE GOD.

You do great harm with this evil teaching, trying to cause people of other races to believe that there is no salvation for them.  It is a big lie of Satan.

You are deceived and a deceiver.


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 Message 118 of 125 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 4/23/2008 4:01 PM
Chris, procreation is NOT sin.  It is a blessing from God.  He BLESSED them, and said,  be fruitful and miltiply and replenish the earth.  It is a blessing to have children.  Where did you get this nonesense that it is sin?  How then should people have been on earth?
 
I have never said that humans laying with animals is not sin.  BUT IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THAT TO PRODUCE A MIXED BREED OF CHILDREN.
hUMAN seed does not mix with animal seed.  It is impossible.
 
God said every,  get that,  EVERY SEED will bear of its OWN KIND.  It is a law of God that animals cannot mix their seed with humans, to bear mixed up children.  It is filth and lies of Satan.
 
Producing children,  is ALSO spiritual.  You understand NOTHING about spirituality.  For you know not God or His Spirit or his workings.  You are strictly carnal and filled with Satan's spirit.
 
and his lies you fully believe.  Adam is Satan.  His spirit is in you.  You are of your father, the devil.  See?  FATHER, THE DEVIL  Fathered children with children of men,  =  humans.
 
That is the ONLY WAY it can happen  =  humans accepting Satanic Spirits, into their soul, or spiritual womb, to bring forth CHILDREN OF SATAN.  THESE ARE THE   BEASTS.  but it is NOT ANIMAL.
 
It is Satanic  =  evil spirits.  ALL FLESH HAD CORRUPTED GOD'S WAY ON EARTH.  NOT PART OF THEM.....ALL   ALLL  OF THEMwhite, black, green, purple, what ever else there was....all of them went astray......
and the only way back to God is through JESUS CHRIST, whom you reject.    so the works of your father, the devil, you do.
 
which is teaching his lies.
 
No Scripture says that animals had children with people.  It is a made up LIE.
 
wE ALL will produce a child,  either a child of God, or a child of Satan.   It all depends on which spirit you have in you, 'fathering' that child.
 
My God, Jesus, is the Father of my  'child'.  I am with child, of the Holy Ghost.  That child will some day be glorified, when I come out of that grave.
 
Your 'child' will end up in hell fire, unless you repent of this your EVIL.

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 Message 119 of 125 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 4/23/2008 4:42 PM
The following Scripture is solid PROOF that the Pharisses,  religious serpents, which is hypocrites, were naturally the SEED, or children of ABRAHAM, who is  a decendant of Adam, then Noah, father of Hebrews, yet they were children of  Satan:
 

Joh 8:13 The Pharisees therefore said unto him, Thou bearest record of thyself; thy record is not true.

Joh 8:14 Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go.

Joh 8:15 Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.

Joh 8:16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.

Joh 8:17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true. Joh 8:18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.

Joh 8:19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

Joh 8:20 These words spake Jesus in the treasury, as he taught in the temple: and no man laid hands on him; for his hour was not yet come.

Joh 8:21 Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.

Joh 8:22 Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come.

Joh 8:23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

Joh 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Joh 8:25 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.

Joh 8:26 I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.

Joh 8:27 They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.

Joh 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

Joh 8:29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.

Joh 8:30 As he spake these words, many believed on him.

Joh 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Joh 8:33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?

Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. (there is your servants,  sinners. has nothing to do with race or sex.)

Joh 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. Joh 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Joh 8:37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.

Joh 8:38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.

Joh 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham. (here Jesus shows them that they are NOT Abraham's children, even though he just ackowledged that they are his seed.  See, he switched it to the spiritual.  They were spiritually children of satan.  Satan is their father, not some animal.)

Joh 8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.

Joh 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. (Here they understood that Jesus had switched this to spiritual talk, so they claim God for their Father, showing that they understood also, that there is a natural father and a spiritual father,...thus natural children and spiritual children, being the very SAME PERSON.  They were natually the children of Abraham,  yet Satan is their father, so they are children of Satan, not some animal.  You do greatly err, not knowing the Scriptures.)

Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me(same to you all.)  for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

Joh 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, (Cain, who slew Abel.) and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. (Adam, lying to Eve).

Joh 8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

Joh 8:46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?

Joh 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.


Now this shows that the reason you cannot hear God's words, or understand truth, is because you are not of God.  wicked men love DARKNESS, (lies)  rather than LIGHT, (truth), because their deeds are evil.  This is you, child of the devil.

You do wrest the Scriptures to your own destruction, and the destruction of any who hear you.

So everyone  of you had better get busy, take heed, and study the Word of God, instead of listening to carnal men.

Jesus said they were


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 Message 120 of 125 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknamechristiaannelSent: 4/29/2008 2:13 PM
The Danger of Diluting Scripture 
Rev 22:19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, Elohim shall take away his part from the Book of Life, and out of the set-apart city, which are written in this Book. He that bears witness of these matters says, “Yes, I am coming speedily.�?Amĕn. Yes, come, Master יהושע!

This final testimony and warning of Messiah to those who profess to be His followers is a clear command not to either augment (Revelation 22:18) or dilute the inspired "words" (not just "thoughts") of the Bible.
There are many people in the various cults following some leader who think he or she has received some new inspired word from God. That is very unwise.
Who is this GOD? He is one of millions who deceives people in the world.
But it is usually certain leaders in the mainline denominations who presumptuously either cull out or explain away those Bible verses they consider unscientific or offensive in some way. That is even more dangerous, for those whose names are not found "in the book of life" will be "cast into the lake of fire" (Revelation 20:15).
Whether men believe it or not, the Bible is the inerrant Word of YeHoVaH in it's original state and became the word of god in it's translation state.
It is true that any two CHRISTIANS may interpret certain passages in different ways.
But they won't be too far apart if they believe the Bible to be the inerrant, understandable, inspired Word of YHVH in its original state., especially if they really believe that YHVH  is able to say what He means. The Bible authors do occasionally use figurative language, of course, in which case any symbols are usually explained in context. When the writer clearly intends to be understood literally, as in the first chapter of Genesis for example, it is dangerous to impose some metaphorical meaning on the passage because of outside considerations. This seems to be what Paul called "handling the word of ELOHIM deceitfully" (2 Corinthians 4:2) and can become a very slippery slope for those who choose that broad and easy way. It will be easier at Messiah's judgment seat to explain why we believed God than why we believed men who questioned ELOHIM.
2Co 4:2 but have renounced the secret ways of shame, not walking in craftiness nor falsifying the Word of Elohim, but by the manifestation of the truth recommending ourselves to every human conscience, in the sight of Elohim.  And indeed, if our Good News has been veiled, it has been veiled in those who are perishing,  in whom the mighty one of this age1 has blinded the minds of the unbelieving, so that the enlightening of the Good News of the esteem of Messiah, who is the likeness of Elohim, does not shine on them. Footnote: 1See Lk. 4:6. For we do not proclaim ourselves, but Messiah יהושע the Master, and ourselves your servants for the sake of יהושע.
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From: MSN NicknamechristiaannelSent: 4/29/2008 2:14 PM
The Danger of Adding to Scripture 
Rev 22:18 For I witness to everyone hearing the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to them, Elohim shall add to him the plagues that are written in this book,
 (Revelation 22:18)
This sober warning almost at the end of the Bible was given by the glorified Lord Jesus Himself (note v. 20), so should be taken very seriously.
The Bible is not just a great book. It is The Book! Its content had been "For ever . . . settled in heaven" (Psalm 119:89), but had been gradually transmitted to men on earth through YEHOVAH -called prophets, whose writings were "given by inspiration of ELOHIM"--that is, literally "2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is breathed by Elohim and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for setting straight, for instruction in righteousness,
" (2 Timothy 3:16).
Heb 1:1  Elohim, having of old spoken in many portions and many ways to the fathers by the prophets,  has in these last days spoken to us by the Son, whom He has appointed heir of all, through whom also He made the ages,1 Footnote: 1John 1:3. who being the brightness of the esteem and the exact representation of His substance, and sustaining all by the word of His power, having made a cleansing of our sins through Himself, sat down at the right hand of the Greatness on high,  having become so much better than the messengers, as He has inherited a more excellent Name than them.

In various ways--sometimes by direct dictation, more often by Spirit-guided research and meditation using each man's individual style and abilities--YHVH conveyed His message down to mankind. Finally, the New Testament was given through Paul and others "by revelation . . . revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit" (Ephesians 3:3,5). John was the last of the "apostles and prophets" when he wrote Revelation (all the others had been martyred), and MESSIAH then indicated (see text above) that nothing more could be added, not just to John's obviously finished book of Revelation, but really to the now-completed body of inspired Scripture from Genesis to Revelation.
Rev 1:1  Revelation of יהושע Messiah, which Elohim gave Him to show His servants what has to take place with speed. And He signified it by sending His messenger to His servant Yoḥanan, who bore witness to the Word of Elohim, and the witness of יהושע Messiah �?to all he saw.
 
Those "false prophets" (Matthew 24:11) who have tried to add some new revelation to the Bible (e.g., TRANSLATORS) need urgently to go back to the Bible alone. We need no new revelation. The Bible is more than enough for our salvation (2 Timothy 3:15, etc.) and all needed guidance, until Christ returns (2 Peter 1:19).
 
 
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From: MSN NicknamechristiaannelSent: 4/29/2008 2:28 PM
JO:  It was NOT Genetic, seeing that the entire earth of that day was all the very same race.  No one at that time had been changed from the original creation of Adam and
Eve.
Chris: "You are a liar: Immediately after Eve was deflowered the first COVENANT WAS MADE about genetic seed: Gen 3:14 And יהוה Elohim said to the serpent, “Because
you have done this, you are cursed more than all livestock and more than every beast of the field. On your belly you are to go, and eat dust all the days of your life.  “And I
put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her Seed.
First promise of the Messiah.

JO: Noah and his family were saved because they had FAITH, or GRACE, in God.  It had not one single thing to do with GENETICS.
Chris: "You are a liar. It all has to do with genetics:
(Genesis 9:9 The Scriptures 1998+)  “And I, see, I establish My covenant with you and with your seed after you, YOUR SEED
(Genesis 15:18 The Scriptures 1998+)  On the same day YHVH made a covenant with Abram, saying, “I have given this land to your seed, from the river of Mitsrayim to the
great river, the River Euphrates,    YOUR SEED
(Genesis 17:7 The Scriptures 1998+)  “And I shall establish My covenant between Me and you and your seed after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be
Elohim to you and your seed after you. YOUR SEED
(Genesis 17:9 The Scriptures 1998+)  And Elohim said to Abraham, “As for you, guard My covenant, you and your seed after you throughout their generations. YOUR SEED
(Genesis 17:10 The Scriptures 1998+)  “This is My covenant which you guard between Me and you, and your seed after you: Every male child among you is to be
circumcised.   YOUR SEED
(Genesis 17:19 The Scriptures 1998+)  And Elohim said, “No, Sarah your wife is truly bearing a son to you, and you shall call his name Yitsh?aq. And I shall establish My
covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him. YOUR SEED
Myabe you dont know what is the SEED OF ADAM????
The seed of ADAM is his SPERM that is deposited inside the womb of EVE to fertilze THE SEED  the Ovum of her to bring forth a child.
JO: "They were of the very same race as all the others of that day. 
Chris: "You are a liar. Itr was because of the genetic bastards that the children of Cain was cursed not to ever live of the ground and never to settle permanently.
Gen 4:11 “And now you are cursed from the earth, which has opened its mouth to receive your brother’s blood from your hand.
Gen 4:12 “If you till the ground, it shall no longer yield its strength to you. You shall be a fugitive and a wanderer on the earth.�?

You do greatly ERR, not knowing the Scriptures or the TRUE YHVH. You do great harm with this evil teaching, trying to cause people of other races to believe that there is 
salvation for them.  It is a big lie of Satan. You are deceived and a deceiver.
(Matthew 10:6 KJV)  But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
(Matthew 15:24 KJV)  But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
 

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From: MSN NicknamechristiaannelSent: 5/2/2008 7:53 PM

Ezra 9 and 10 The great sin: ‘the set-apart seed is intermingled with the peoples.�?/P>

And when these matters had been done, the leaders came to me, saying, "The people of Yisra�?/FONT>ĕl and the priests and the Lĕwites have not separated themselves from the peoples of the lands, as to their abominations, those of the Kenaʽanites, the Ḥittites, the Perizzites, the Yebusites, the Ammonites, the Mo’abites, the Mitsrites, and the Amorites, for they have taken some of their daughters as wives for themselves and their sons, so that the set-apart seed is intermingled with the peoples of those lands. And the hand of the leaders and rulers has been foremost in this trespass."

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"O my Elohim, I am too ashamed and wounded to lift up my face to You, my Elohim, for our crookednesses have risen higher than our heads, and our guilt has grown up to the heavens. "Since the days of our fathers to this day we have been very guilty, and for our crookednesses we, our sovereigns, and our priests have been given into the hand of the sovereigns of the lands, to the sword, to captivity, and to plunder, and to shame of faces, as it is this day. "But now, for a short while, favour has been shown from יהוה our Elohim, to leave us a remnant to escape, and to give us a peg in His set-apart place, that our Elohim might enlighten our eyes and give us a little reviving in our bondage. "For we were slaves, but in our bondage our Elohim did not forsake us, and extended kindness to us in the presence of the sovereigns of Persia, to revive us, to raise up the House of our Elohim, to restore its ruins, and to give us a wall in Yehud?ah and Yerushalayim. "And now, O our Elohim, what do we say after this? For we have forsaken Your commands, which You have commanded by Your servants the prophets, saying, ‘The land which you are going in to possess is a land unclean through the uncleanness of the peoples of the lands, by their abominations with which they have filled it, from one end to another, by their uncleanness. ‘And now, do not give your daughters as wives for their sons, nor take their daughters to your sons. And do not seek their peace or wealth ever, so that you are strong, and shall eat the good of the land, and leave it as an inheritance to your children forever.�?"And after all that has come upon us for our evil deeds and for our great guilt, since You our Elohim have held back the rod upon our crookednesses, and have given us such deliverance as this, should we turn back, to break Your commands, and join in marriage with the people of these abominations? Would You not be enraged with us until You had consumed us, so that there would be no remnant or survivor? "O יהוה Elohim of Yisra�?/FONT>ĕl, You are righteous, for we are left as a remnant, as it is this day. See, we are before You, in our guilt, for there is no one to stand before You concerning this!"

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"We have trespassed against our Elohim, and have taken foreign women from the peoples of the land. And now there is expectancy in Yisra�?/FONT>ĕl concerning this. "Now then, let us make a covenant with our Elohim to put away all these wives and those who have been born to them, according to the counsel of הוה and of those who tremble at the command of our Elohim. And let it be done according to the Torah. "Arise, for the matter is upon you, but we are with you. Be strong and act."

"You, you have trespassed and have taken foreign women, adding to the guilt of Yisra�?/FONT>ĕl "And now, make confession to הוה Elohim of your fathers, and do His desire, and separate yourselves from the peoples of the land, and from the foreign women."

"Right! It is upon us to do according to your word. And let all those in our cities who have taken foreign women come at appointed times.

Porneo

And they gave their hand in pledge to put away their wives. And being guilty, they presented a ram of the flock for their guilt.

 

All these had taken foreign women, and some of them had women who had borne children.


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 5/10/2008 2:46 PM
Chris, you do greatly ERR, not knowing the Scriptures, or the One, whose word the Scriptures are.
 
You are strictly in the flesh.  The SEED is NOT the fleshly seed, as you state.  God loves all nationalities of peoples, not just one of them.
 
Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, not just part of us.
 
The SEED which the Word speaks about, is the SPIRITUAL SEED,  =  those of FAITH.
 
Cain's seed, or line of family, had all died long before the flood.  They were not the cause of the flood.
 
Cain was the son of ADAM.    both, spiritual and fleshly.
 
So if you 'think' you have truth,  prove otherwise, with written Scripture.
 
<NOBR>Ga 4:28</NOBR> Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
<NOBR>Ga 4:29</NOBR> But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
<NOBR>Ga 4:30</NOBR> Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
<NOBR>Ga 4:31</NOBR> So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 5/10/2008 2:49 PM
<NOBR>Ro 1:3</NOBR> Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the SEED of David according to the flesh;
<NOBR>Ro 4:13</NOBR> For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his SEED, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
<NOBR>Ro 4:16</NOBR> Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the SEED; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
<NOBR>Ro 4:18</NOBR> Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy SEED be.
<NOBR>Ro 9:7</NOBR> Neither, because they are the SEED of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy SEED be called.
<NOBR>Ro 9:8</NOBR> That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the SEED.
<NOBR>Ro 9:29</NOBR> And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a SEED, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha.
<NOBR>Ro 11:1</NOBR> I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the SEED of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
<NOBR>Ga 3:16</NOBR> Now to Abraham and his SEED were the promises made. He saith not, And to SEEDs, as of many; but as of one, And to thy SEED, which is Christ.
<NOBR>Ga 3:19</NOBR> Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the SEED should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
<NOBR>Ga 3:29</NOBR> And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's SEED, and heirs according to the promise.

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