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| | | From: joie (Original Message) | Sent: 5/17/2005 2:01 AM |
Heb. 9:24 says that Christ entered into heaven, now to appear in the presence of God for us. Now do you believe that Jesus is God? If so, how is it that he went to appear INTO THE PRESENCE OF GOD? If he is God, how is he in the presence of himself? Why would he have to enter into heaven to appear in the presence of God? Was He in His own presence on earth? Is it correct to say one enters into the presence of his own self? [I think not.] Anyone here have an anwer? |
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That is absolutely right, Raheyl 14. but we must also recognize that NOW Jesus is in all the power of the Almighty God. He obeyed God in all things while here on earth, even to the death of the cross. Then because of this perfect obedience, God raised him from the dead, and gave to Jesus ALL THE POWER in Heaven and Earth, so that now Jesus is our God. do you understand this? any of you? What a pity that so many man-made lies have destroyed this wonderful truth about our Saviour, Jesus Christ. Jesus inherited the Spirit of the Lord God for his eternal abode, thus marrying God and becoming truly one with God. Jesus confessed on earth, that he could of his own self do nothing. But that certainly is NOT the case now. He has been endued with all the power of God. He will never depart from the perfect will of God, so he will stay right there in the full power of the Eternal God, which is his Father. |
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Joie, Hello..dont ask me how I ended up here when I was headed for the beginning lol but here I am... anyways..Jesus is Gods son..right? I am getting confused...so I am going to post what I think and you can correct me that might be easiest.. God created a Man called Jesus..Jesus walks his life out on earth as a Man..But when He died..He came back perfected..One with God..Not God in himself.. But One with him..and Then God set Jesus up as our God..or our King? (this is short version) so my point is when jesus was on earth no he wasnt God...But in a way even though he was not God then..Hes One with God now...so in a sense Our God..(Jesus) did walk this earth as a man.. He was tested as a man in everyway that we are tested and he found sinless..I guess I have never thought of this any other way...and wonder who thinks Jesus was God(Father) Makes no sense to me Cause Jesus Tells us Himself about his Father ah well just rambling thoughts here God Bless, sis Jodi |
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Yes, ramble on. that is how God wants us.... pondering on his word. truth. Truth shall set us free. There is no other freedom. Truth will never cross any written Scripture. I say you have it down very well here. One thing I would not say is, that God created Jesus. Jesus was born same as we are. Only Adam was said to have been created , he and Eve. since then, the rest of us were born from them. Jesus is no exception. Only thing different, he did not have an earthly father as we did. but he was still born as a complete human being in every respect. What mixes up people is the fact that the truth has been so cleaverly hidden that the truth sounds like blasphemy. But God will reveal his Word to those who seek it and desire it. Jesus is the one who bore the manchild. He is the virgin who bore the Emmanuel. It will be a glad day for Christianity, when this truth is made known once again. Jesus was born again, same as we are. Jo |
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I started writing an answer to this, but then God gave me a full message on the Virgin. I will post that as a new message, on the God and Jesus board. So read that message there as my answer to this thread. It is a beautiful message on The virgin. |
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Heb. 9:24 says that Christ entered into heaven, now to appear in the presence of God for us. Now do you believe that Jesus is God? If so, how is it that he went to appear INTO THE PRESENCE OF GOD? If he is God, how is he in the presence of himself? Why would he have to enter into heaven to appear in the presence of God? Was He in His own presence on earth? Is it correct to say one enters into the presence of his own self? [I think not.] Anyone here have an anwer? Messiah is the God of Israel in the flesh. As a flesh man, Messiah is required to exhibit every characteristic of a man. A man must appear and bow before God in His Presence. Messiah is the forst-born mann to do so, as it is written: RO 8:28 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love Him, who have been called according to His purpose. For those God foreknew He also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified. But, as the God of Israel in the flesh, He is also God at one and the same time as He is man. You say that is impossible, right. Have you never read this? MT 19:26 Yeshuw`ah looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible." |
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You are only going by man-made doctrine. YOu have no revelation of truth. You deny Jesus, but then pick up on Scripture which is about Jesus, and take up the false teachings of man about Jesus, and deny Jesus. You are so mixed up, your mouth is an open grave! The dead are there. No Scripture teaches than any God walked this earth as human man. with God all things are possible, but he will do nothing but what His Word said he will do. |
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People who try to say Jesus , or any other 'messiah', for that matter, was God in the flesh, are so mixed up, it is total mass confusion and they wear themselves out trying to explain this stupid blunder of man-made doctrine. If Jesus, or some other Messiah, were God in the flesh, how is it that he went to appear in the presence of the God which he already is? That is so stupid only the blind could believe such stuff. If Jesus were God in the flesh, then he would have always been in the presence of God, being God himself. why even say, in the presence of God, when he was God? Makes no sense at all. for me to say, Jo went somewhere to appear in the presence of Jo is nothing less than mockery of words. I cannot go somewhere to appear in the presence of myself. and to jump to, ' with God all things are possible' to try to explain some crazy thing like this, is surely handlying the Word of God deceitfully and irresponsibily. I truly do not think that anyone has ever really taken note of what they are actually saying. They repeat words others made up. Messiah is god....dodododo.... but as a flesh man, ...dadadada.. this man , mean God...but anyway this man is required to exhibit every characteristic of a man and must appear and bow before his own presence....for he is god...and as a man.this god,...must bow before himself.......??///// And that is Scriptural? If so, any of you claiming the Messiah was God in flesh......PLEASE BE SO KIND AS TO GIVE ME THAT SCRIPTURE!!! Here is another instance of Jesus being presented to the Lord: Lu 2:21 And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb. Lu 2:22 And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord; Lu 2:23 (As it is written in the law of the Lord, Every male that openeth the womb shall be called holy to the Lord;) Jesus would have been in the area of a month old here, I think, (have not studied it out in a long time, how long the pruification took)...but the point is, they brought the baby to Jerusalem TO PRESENT HIM TO THE LORD. Now I want someone to explain, sensibly, why this month old baby had to be taken to Jerusalem, to be presented TO THE LORD, if he were the Lord? According to both the false doctrines of Jesus-only and trinity, it was the Lord who opened Mary's womb! It was God she held in her arms! It was God she nursed at her breast! (a lifeless body, with God living in it!!!) a lifeless body, because he is supposed to not have a human mind of his own!! the body without the spirit is DEAD. such ignorant and deceptive doctrines!! I say, away with such FOOLISH DOCTRINES. Nothing of this sort is taught in Scripture. JESUS WAS NOT GOD IN FLESH. You all really need to get the truth of this and stop calling God a lie.....when he testified of HIS SON. |
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Mt 1:21 - Show Context And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. |
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Mt 1:25 - And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS. |
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Messiah is the God of Israel in the flesh. As a flesh man, Messiah is required to exhibit every characteristic of a man. A man must appear and bow before God in His Presence. Messiah is the forst-born mann to do so, as it is written: RO 8:28 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love Him, who have been called according to His purpose. For those God foreknew He also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified. But, as the God of Israel in the flesh, He is also God at one and the same time as He is man. You say that is impossible, right. Have you never read this? MT 19:26 Yeshuw`ah looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible." |
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Yeshuwahs, show me Scripture saying that Messiah is God in flesh. That is a lie of the false church. You who deny christianity are full of her false teachings! There is no Scripture anywhere which teaches that God came as a man or in flesh. |
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Yeshuwahs, show me Scripture saying that Messiah is God in flesh. That is a lie of the false church. You who deny christianity are full of her false teachings! There is no Scripture anywhere which teaches that God came as a man or in flesh. Denying the Messiah is God in the flesh is a very good reason to disbelieve anything else you might have to say. Here is the proof: DT 32:4 He is the Rock, His works are perfect, and all His ways are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is He. DT 32:15 Jeshurun grew fat and kicked; filled with food, he became heavy and sleek. He abandoned the God who made him and rejected the Rock his Savior. DT 32:18 You deserted the Rock, who fathered you; you forgot the God who gave you birth. 1SA 2:2 "There is no one holy like YHWH; there is no one besides You; there is no Rock like our God. 2SA 22:1 David sang to YHWH the words of this song when YHWH delivered him from the hand of all his enemies and from the hand of Saul. He said: "YHWH is my Rock, my fortress and my deliverer; my God is my Rock, in whom I take refuge, my shield and the horn of my salvation. He is my stronghold, my refuge and my savior--from violent men You save me. 2SA 23:3 The God of Israel spoke, the Rock of Israel said to me: `When one rules over men in righteousness, when he rules in the fear of God, he is like the light of morning at sunrise on a cloudless morning, like the brightness after rain that brings the grass from the earth.' PS 18:2 YHWH is my Rock, my fortress and my deliverer; my God is my Rock, in whom I take refuge. He is my shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold. PS 19:14 May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be pleasing in Your sight, YHWH, my Rock and my Redeemer. PS 42:9 I say to God my Rock, "Why have You forgotten me? Why must I go about mourning, oppressed by the enemy?" 1CO 10:1 For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers, that our forefathers were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea. They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. They all ate the same spiritual food and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual Rock that accompanied them, and that Rock was Christ. You see? It is easy to find the truth for those who have eyes to see and ears to hear. You have no truth, being blinded by your false messiah--'jesus.' |
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| | | From: Dovey | Sent: 7/20/2008 4:02 PM |
Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. DOVEY |
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Would you say he was GOD from birth? Tweety |
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Dovey, no one denies that Scripture. Did you think that we do? How silly. If you care to find out the truth about that Emmanuel, It is taught here in a stationary page. Also, it is on one of the boards. I will not bother explaining it here, as I already have the true revelation of this prophecy written. I also know you would pay it no mind. As you cannot 'hear' God's truth. Jo |
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