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Revelation : The Two Witnesses
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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551  (Original Message)Sent: 3/31/2007 11:25 PM
From: joie  (Original Message) Sent: 11/18/2001 9:56 AM
  

In order to understand the two witnesses, you must see that God refers to all of us as one. This word, ‘one�?is not referring to a digit; as counting 1,2,3,etc. Obviously, God is not saying 10,000,000 people are all just 1 person.

Here is Webster’s dictionary meaning of ‘one�? being the same in kind or quality. constituting a unified entity of two or more components--- being in agreement or union.

Now, it should be easy to see that the meaning used in the Scripture is the one above. Jesus prayed in the 17th cp. of John , for us ALL to be one as He and his Father are one. So, this could not mean to become one and the same person. So it is obvious that He and His Father are not one and the same being. All the whole church is said to be ‘one�? Meaning we are in agreement, unity, on equal grounds.

Gal.3:28---......for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Rev. 11: 1-14----These verses tell about these two witnesses.

v3---And I will give POWER unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

v4---These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

v5---And if any man will hurt them, FIRE proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

v6---These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Psm.149:5-9----Let the SAINTS be joyful in glory; LET THEM SING ALOUD UPON THEIR BEDS.

v6--Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a two edged sword in their hand;

v7---TO EXECUTE VENGEANCE UPON THE HEATHEN, AND PUNISHMENTS UPON THE PEOPLE;

v8---To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron;

v9---To EXECUTE upon them the JUDGMENT written: this honour have ALL HIS SAINTS. Praise ye the LORD.

Now, look carefully at the comparison of these two passages of Scripture. Remember, Scripture interprets Scripture.

It said the witnesses kill their enemies with the ‘fire�?coming out of their mouth. It said they smite the earth with plagues, as often as they will.

These SAINTS in Psm. 149 execute vengeance and punishments upon people, bind their kings with chains (remember Satan is a whole kingdom; he is bound in ‘chains�?and cast into the bottomless pit) for the 1,000 years reign of the saints. They execute judgment upon them.

So, it should be fairly easy to see that this is the same people being talked about here.

Now, look back at Rev.11:4----this identifies these witnesses as two olive trees. What are ‘olive trees�?

Romans 11:13-26---

v24--For if thou wert cut out of the ‘olive tree�?which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good ‘olive tree�? how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree? So all Israel shall be saved...

So, here we have identified both Gentiles and Jews as being an olive tree. But Jesus brought them both into one good olive tree. So this good olive tree has to be the same olive tree in Rev. 11.

Now, he also said they were two candle sticks. So, what is a candle stick?

Rev.1:20----The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the Angels of the seven churches: and the seven CANDLESTICKS which thou sawest are the seven churches.

So, we see the Scripture meaning of a candlestick: it is a church. Therefore, the olive tree is the new church; likewise the candlestick is the new church. So, two identifications meet the requirement of God to prove every thing in the mouth of two or three witnesses.

But, you ask, how is the church a prophet? They have all the prophecies of God. Rev.19:10---....for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. So, see, if we have the testimony of Jesus that is the spirit of prophecy. So here, we have a third identification of the church as being the witness, for we have the testimony of Jesus which is the spirit of prophecy; therefore making us a prophet. Same thing.

But, it says two witnesses. So what about the seven churches??? They are NOT these two witnesses. They are a mixture of God’s and of Satan’s people. The tares and the wheat grow together until the end of the world.

 

These two powerful churches it is talking being these two witnesses could not be these seven churches that were all messed up.

So where are two other churches identified in the Word.

Joel 2:28-31----And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions::::

(do you see that colon? it means another complete clause is coming up.... another complete thought)

v29---AND ALSO (this means in addition to the preceding) ... also upon the SERVANTS and upon the HANDMAIDS in those days will I pour out my spirit. And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and FIRE and pillars of smoke. The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.

When John the Baptist prophesied of the Baptism of the Holy Ghost and Fire he named them together, because he was prophesying of a subject, not a time matter. He meant at some time in the future these two things will happen. When Joel prophesied of these two baptisms, he likewise put them together, or so it seemed, for it was something yet to happen in the future. But that colon separates these two separate events.

Acts 1:5---For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the HOLY GHOST not many days hence.

Now why did he not say and FIRE? For they did not receive the Fire Baptism. It is two different outpourings from God; two different spirits; for two different purposes, at two different times in time; for two different groups of people; two different churches. They were divided in time by at least 2,000 years.

Was the church born at Pentecost told to hurt anyone who hurt them? No!! They were told exactly the opposite. They were told not to return railing for railing; to turn the other cheek, etc. Why??? The Spirit of the Holy Ghost that they were empowered with was the spirit of love, grace, salvation etc.

Were they God’s witnesses??? You bet they were. They were the first witness. They witnessed God’s power to heal, raise the dead, save the lost, meet one’s every need, etc.

PROOF:

Acts 2:32---This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof WE ALL ARE WITNESSES. (but, now remember, they all are one).

Acts 3:15---And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof WE ARE WITNESSES.

Acts 5:32---And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him. (see, they and the Holy Ghost are one witness).

Acts 10:41---Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.

This group of witnesses witnessed of his resurrection; they were there.

Acts 13:31---And he was seen many days of them which came up with him from Galilee to Jerusalem who are his witnesses unto the people.

So, there you have the first witness; anointed with power from on high with the Baptism of the Holy Ghost, to witness his love power, the resurrection, his healing power, his saving power, etc.

After that witness was gone, then came up the seven churches in Revelation, a mixture. Because the anti-christ had come in and polluted that church after the apostles were dead. This powerful witness, with the power of God in their lives, had held back that evil power. For he could not come in as long as that powerful, anointed church was here. But, when it was gone, then the beast , whore church with the man of sin as its head came in. They changed the truth, cast the truth to the ground, took the people into darkness. And it has been there ever since.

Just think for a minute: why do the churches today say none of that power is for us today??? Why do they say that??? Because they do not have it. They are not his witnesses. They are in the darkness of the beast, the whore church. Anyone who denies this power of God, could not possibly be one of his witnesses. It is self evidenced.

Zech. 4 gives the vision of these two anointed ones. Read this whole chapter. Compare it with Rev.11. You will see the two witnesses clearly defined, these two anointed ones, these two churches, along with the other seven.

v11---Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two OLIVE TREES upon the RIGHT side of the CANDLESTICK and upon the LEFT side thereof?

Now, he is placing the two anointed churches in time; one on the left side of the seven; the other on the right side of the seven. So, what does this tell us? That one came in before the seven and one AFTER the seven.

We have already shown the first one; the church of Peter and the others of his day. That one came before the seven, therefore it was the one on the left side of the candlestick with the seven lamps upon it.

So, that leaves the one which is to come after the seven; the one on the right side of the seven.

See, that he called them olive trees. The New Testament Church.

Zech:4:14---Then said he, These are the TWO ANOINTED ONES, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.

Rev.11:4--These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks STANDING BEFORE THE GOD OF THE EARTH.

Need it be any plainer?????????

But, you see, a power of God was not witnessed by that first witness. For indeed, they could not bring it. It was not time. So there has to be a witness of God’s Wrath; of his judgment; of his rule with a rod of iron.

People wonder why it seems to revert back to law in the millinium ? This is because it will be law. Only not the O.T. law. It will be forced worship by the witnesses. Read Zech 14. And there are many others showing this.

Remember the Scripture at the beginning of this message in Psm. 149? That is talking about this second witness. Go back and read that chapter.

Go back to Joel 2:29-31---- Notice that the first pouring out of the spirit was to ALL FLESH. Any and every one could receive that Baptism. It was the one that came at Pentecost. It was for salvation.

But, look at v29---This outpouring is only for the SERVANTS and the HANDMAIDS. In other words those ALREADY serving God with the Baptism of the Holy Ghost.

Check what the signs of the first one was: dreams, visions and prophesy.

Look what the signs of this second one is: wonders in the heavens (see Rev.12) and in the earth: blood, and FIRE, and pillars of smoke. Sun and Moon darkened.

Remember the FIRE coming out of the mouth of these witnesses? This is where it came from: the Baptism of FIRE. See, that did not come on the day of Pentecost. It is not the tongues of fire upon them. This is the spirit of FIRE = wrath, judgment, vengeance etc.

Rev. is dealing with this second witness: Acts with the first one.

They are two groups of people (churches) anointed with power from on high to do their work for God. They are said to be one. Peter’s church was one--- this second one is the other one.

So looking at Joel 2:30-31---we see that their job is to bring blood, fire pillars of smoke, turn the sun and moon into darkness. So we must find what group does this.

Remember, they must be anointed with power from on high. This takes place in Rev. 7:

V3--Hurt not the earth neither the sea, nor the trees, TILL we have sealed the SERVANTS of our God in their foreheads.

Remember, that the Holy Ghost was a seal. So, also is this baptism. Notice, it said seal the SERVANTS OF GOD. Isn’t that who Joel said would receive this baptism? See how it fits every Scripture and proves itself, without guess work???

Notice, also that this is immediately before hurting everything. In other words, wrath, judgment, vengeance.

Why a seal in the forehead? For that is where the beast worshipers have their mark. It is in the mind. You are either sealed by God, or you are marked by the beast. It is always there. You are either for him or against him. You are either gathering or scattering. You are a member of Christ�?kingdom or else the beast kingdom. One or the other. Everyone.

Notice also, that those sealed are Jews. We the true spiritual Jews are the ones who receive this seal.

The fifth and sixth trumpets are the work of this witness. Rev.9:2---You have here the smoke, the sun and air darkened by this smoke ( one of the signs of the baptism of fire).They torment the men who have the mark of the beast. See Rev.11:10--they had tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

Rev. 9:7--Identifies this group as horses prepared unto battle---compare this to Joel 2--you will see the army of God as horses going to battle. The crowns like gold show the mind of Christ they were sealed with. They had faces as men and hair as women, proving that both the servants and handmaids of God are in this ministry of judgment. Of pouring out the wrath of the Lamb. Of casting Satan into the bottomless pit. Of taking over the kingdoms of this world and ruling them with the rod of iron. That is the powerful second witness. No one will have any power over them: until they finish their testimony. At the end of the 1,000 year reign, they will be over come and killed.

Then the final resurrection and the changing of the living saints will occur. Rev.9:17---And thus I saw the HORSES in the vision, and them that sat on them, (Son of Man) having breastplates of FIRE, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions: (one of the faces on the living creature) and out of their MOUTH issued FIRE AND SMOKE AND BRIMSTONE.

FIRE coming out the mouths of the witnesses. By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued OUT OF THEIR MOUTHS.

There is the signs of the second baptism: fire, smoke and blood as they kill their enemies.

So, there is the Word of God telling who his two witnesses are.

Glory to our great God for he did not leave us to the minds of carnal men to tell us these things. Thank you Lord Jesus for this great revelation.

Your faithful handmaid

Jo




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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 3/31/2007 11:26 PM
From: joie Sent: 11/18/2001 10:05 AM
Here is the SCRIPTUAL truth  about the two witnesses:  not what someone says  some 'spirit' told them.  If you can not believe the written word,  you are not on the true foundation; you are in the bottomless pit (the carnal mind).
 
I know this is a long message:  if you do not have the time to study this all at once, take parts of it and study it.  That is if you desire to know what God said about them.
 
In order to teach the truth, one must put together all the Scripture on a subject.  So, this is the only way to truthfully teach this subject.  Here is the Whole Scripture on this subject (not meaning that there may not be some more in the Word about this---but meaning here is enough to accurately explain it.
 
I hope many of you will study this and get out from under false, man-made lies.
You wanted proof that the two witnesses are not 2 mere men,  well, here it is:  God's Word on the matter.  Just as the word 'church' refers to a whole group of people united as ONE, so does this word 'witness'.
 
Jo

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 3/31/2007 11:28 PM
I wonder if any of you even care what or who the two witnesses are?  Someone said it was to be O.T. prophets;  without one Word of proof.  I have head all that stuff too.  But, it is not Scriptual.  Who cares????
 
Someone said it is to be Enoch and Elijah;  without one word of proof.  Yet, they accept this.  I have heard that too.  But it is not Scriptual.
 
Someone taught it was to be Moses and Elijah;  without one word of proof.  Yet millions believed this lie.
 
I have posted a message completely FULL  of Written Word,  proving the truth of this matter;  so plainly taught by  Word   that no one who can understand English, could miss it,  yet no one seems to even care.
 
Where is this world?  Ready for destruction!!!
 
Even so, come Lord Jesus.
 
Jo, a handmaid of God
p.s.   as long as this subject rages here,  I will continue to keep this message up, so maybe one soul can find it's truth

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 3/31/2007 11:29 PM
From: joie Sent: 11/22/2001 10:24 PM
Longhair and pillar,  thank you for your response.  And thank you, Longhair for your continued interest and comforting words for our family.  Yes, we are doing well.  God is helping us in our great loss.
 
Now, I will deal with your comment first.  If the two witnesses were the O.T. and the N.T.  how were they killed and left in the streets for 3-1/2 days?   See, how you have to find the Scriptual answer which fits all the Word?  That is how you know when you finally have the truth:  it will fit all the Word;  with no un-answered questions.
 
How could they kill the N.T.?  How would it be resurrected?  I wish you well in your study of this subject.  It is a beautiful study.
 
Now, for Pillar's answer:  It is true that Moses and Jesus did do 'witnessing.'  But, they do not fit the things said in Rev. about the witnesses.  Look at it.  How and when were Moses and Jesus killed and left, unburied in the streets of the harlot city?
 
See, Moses died in a mountain and God buried him.  He was never, that we know of resurrected in 3 days.
 
Jesus was killed, but he was BURIED.  Now, See, these witnesses are said to be left, unburied for their whole time of being dead;  then resurrected and caught up to heaven.
 
See, they too, do not fit what Rev. says about these witnesses.  That is why we must PROVE  all things by the Written Word.  When someone teaches things they can not positivily PROVE  by the Written Word;  with no questions left unanswered,  they do not have it right.
 
God bless both of you.
 
JO

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 3/31/2007 11:34 PM
p.s. On our original thread, of this,  some were saying one thing, some another, and asking different questions.  In this post, I was answering their words:
 
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From: joie Sent: 11/25/2001 2:00 PM
NAMES OF THE TWO WITNESSES????
 
Please read my other message under the ministry of the witnesses.  Rev. 9:16--This sixth trumpet is also describing the work of these witnesses as is the other trumpets;  this verse says the number of the army (see Joel 2) of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand:
 
Now, do you want the names of those people in that army?  Then you will have to ask God.  He has all our names written down in his record book.
 
Some of those names were Peter, Paul, James, John, Jo , Wanna,  all his saints.
 
Now, need I say more?
 
I ask you the names of the 'church'.  How many are in the church?  How many are in the 'body' .   the body of Christ.
 
What are their names?
 
How many are in the kingdom?  Church is singular:  it is one.  Body is singular:  it is one.  Kingdom is singular; it is one.  Witnesses is two singular groups of churches.  What are their names?  We are all one.
 
Jo is one of the names.  But I am only a member of the witness: neither me nor any other person is soly that witnessing body of Christ.
 
As far as saying Enoch and Elijah must come back and die---no---the Word says they were taken --not to see death.  That is final.
 
Most of you saying this believe that a whole group of people are going to be 'raptured', carried off to not die.
 
Now, Paul did say we shall not all sleep-=die.  Do you not agree with that?  If he must bring those men back to die,  why then will some more not sleep?  We will be changed in a moment to immortality---this does not say we will die then become immortal.
 
God declares everything with at least two witnesses:  so these two men went to heaven without every having to see death ; as witnesses that some will never have to die.
 
Now, If God is going to bring them back to die,  that does away with this witness that some will not see death.
 
If it is the two testaments, I ask you again,  how are they going to be killed and lie in the streets 3 1/2 days, then be resurrrected?
 
You must answer all these questions, with the Word, before you have the truth.
 
Read Psm. 149-- this says that all God's saints will have this witnessing power.  What are their names?
 
People, do some real studying of the Word.
 
Jo

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 3/31/2007 11:45 PM
From: nellie Sent: 12/18/2001 12:31 PM
Tom, I read above where you said the witnesses are two men;  then you said they are the two testaments.  Now, I am wondering,  how can this be?
 
Joie, I have never heard this explained in the manner you did.  That is very interesting.  I can see what you are saying.  This is a great study.  I shall give this a lot of study.
 
One thing I am wondering about is this:  I read this in 1Samuel 2:5--...the barren hath born seven...
 
Now if you count Hannah's children,  she had Samuel, then v21, she had three sons and two daughters.  So, if this counts Samuel, that would only make six children for Hannah.  So, this could not be speaking of her children. She prophecied in chapter 2 about the barren, Gentile nation bearing the seven churches.
 
If these seven churches could not have been the two witnesses,  then the other two churches you spoke of most certainly must have been the two witnesses.
 
I did not know about those two churches as separate from those seven.  Thank you for this information.
 
Now, I read in Jer. 15: 9--She that hath borne seven LANGUISHETH:  she hath given up the ghost:  her sun is gone down while it was yet day:  she hath been ashamed and confounded:  and the residue of them will I deliver to the sword before their enemies, saith the  LORD.
 
After reading your message, I can see what this is saying.  The seven was those seven churches;  which was a mixture of bad and good.
If THEY  were  LANGUISHING, they could not have been in power as those two witnesses were.  If she gave up the ghost (her life) while it was yet day, if her 'sun' (her light) or understanding, went down while it was day, meaning God was still with her, then she failed.  She was not the two witnesses.  If she (notice, this is singular, 'she')  ( a church)..was confounded, this means confused or not knowing truth and her residue was given to the sword, then God is doing away with her.
 
There would have to be another true 'church' in order for Jesus's prophecy of his church not failing to be true.
 
Then what you say is true:  the other 'church' is the witnesses of the power of God.
 
For this in Jer. 15:9 of one bearing 'seven' is the same Hannah prophecied of in 1Sam. of the barren bearing 'seven'.
 
Great revelation!!
 
Nellie

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 3/31/2007 11:58 PM
Larry, and others, if you read this and see this....
 
As I was moving this thread to a special board,  I was sitting here reading some of it.  As I posted that last message, from Nellie,  I noticed something which I probably would have been unaware of at the time this was first posted, way back in 2001.
 
I do not think I was aware at that time about Jesus being the woman in travail, or at least I was not thinking on this.  I was going to Fla at the time all of this was written.
 
but as I read it just now, I caught something I had never thought of before.  Hope you can help get into this.
 
That one who bore seven, and was languishing,  and her 'sun' went down at while it was  day, and she
'GAVE UP THE GHOST',
Now I am telling you,  this sounds like  JESUS ON THE CROSS TO ME.
 
Where else does it speak of giving up the ghost?  and the sun going down in the day time?  To me this identifies this as Jesus on that cross.
 
It hit me pretty hard just now.  I must get ready to go to work, so do not have time to get into this right now, as I should.  But something deep is hidden here.
 
That woman in travail was Jesus at calvary, sure as anything.  Then somehow he is also this woman who bore the seven.  Is it same as the LAW?  The law was in him?  same as Him?  And it bore the seven?  seven what?
I know seven churches....but seven is prominant and of great imporance all through the Word of God.
 
Seems to me a great mystery is here.  Hope to get to it soon.
 
Did that first Church,  the witnesses,  bore the seven mixed up churches?  Then her LIGHT, or sun, went out?  Maybe both of these are the answer.  RESURRECTION!!  (her sun going down....she gave up the ghost......they lost the Holy Ghost as they moved into a dead, lukewarm church)  see it is the same pattern Jesus had.
 
See, Jesus died at Calvary.  Her sun went out.  but there was a resurrection.  Do you see it?
that first church died,  but will be resurrected,   same as Jesus did....both are this woman in travail.....birthing seven, then languishing.
 
Deep stuff here! 

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 9/10/2007 11:28 PM
I am going back through some back pages, and ran across this which I will post here.  It was done originally for Tweety.  So far, she has never given this an answer.  guess she is like me,  all this goes back, and we forget it.  If we do not deal with while it is 'new' or 'hot'  then we forget it.'
 
I have failed to come back to so much which I intended to do, for I did not have time, and eventually forgot all about it.  What a shame that we cannot finish these things and learn all that God has for us.
 
But I intended to move this to the thread on the witnesses.  In doing so, I have run across this which we were speaking of in the one who bore seven.
 
Reading this again right now,  I believe it was referring to the OT,  (also Jesus, representing the OT) is the barren one who bore the seven (churches)  .  Those seven women, or churches, is the offspring of the OT.
 
I did not see this before.  But I fully believe now that this is the revelation of that barren woman, who bore seven.  See, she,  the OT,  did not really bear any true 'fruit' or 'children' of God. 
she brought forth seven harlots = churches, who did not obey God and be a WITNESS for God.
 
Now this will be long.... so I think I will wait and post the one I meant to post here, for tweety, on another post.
 
Do not wish to mix it up with this.  Hope someone will get into this, as it goes around again.  Great study!

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 9/10/2007 11:29 PM
This one for Tweety:  If you see this, please consider it this time.  for your own sake.
 
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn551</NOBR>  (Original Message) Sent: 1/11/2007 5:42 AM
Dear Tweety,
 
I took this from your group.  Again I say if you do not wish for me to  do this,  just let me know.  I will not do this if it offends you.  But I wish to help you all I can, to find truth, and see the way to find truth.
 
Again I must admonish you to learn to seek any answer in the Written Scripture.  As long as you go to Dakes for your answers,  instead of proving it with Scripture,   you will come up with error.
 
Now, here is what was said:
 
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameSkyangel�?/FONT></NOBR> Sent: 1/10/2007 12:46 AM
re#4
I agree that when a christian dies they go straight to heaven in their new spiritual  body.
If that is the case, why do they need to be resurrected again ?
 
I think Dake is way off with his "planet" of heaven. It sounds more like morman theology to me where every man gets to rule his own planet and thats heaven to him. LOL .

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From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameTweety134</NOBR> Sent: 1/10/2007 8:25 PM
Dear SkyAngel,
I say that Elijah & Enoch will come back to earth as the Two Witnessess in Rev. because they are the only ones that fit the description of the 2 Witnessness. Some say Moses also instead of Enoch. But I do not think it will be Moses. Later on I will post about the Two Witnessess. Tweety

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From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameSkyangel�?/FONT></NOBR> Sent: 1/10/2007 9:55 PM
Jesus said that Elijah had already returned. Mat 11:14 And if ye will receive [it], this is Elias, which was for to come.
Who was Jesus referring to in that scripture?
 
The two witnesses were prophets who both prophesied for 1260 days clothed in sackcloth.
Rev 11:3 And I will give [power] unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
 
 Enoch was translated because he did not need to die since He pleased God. Why would God make him return to die?.Since  the bible says Enoch should not see death. He is not one of the witnesses who died. Enoch will never die.
Hbr 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
 

Now you just accept man's words that Elijah and Enoch will be the two witnesses.  Not one single word of Scripture teaches this.  So where did this lie come from?   Well, Branham said Moses and Elijah.  So people jumped on this line of thinking.

Not one of them, including you,  has yet gotten into the Word of God, seeking this answer.  I have warned you about speaking and repeating things just because Dakes or someone else says it.  You are helping bring more violence into this world each time you speak a lie, or false doctrine.  Stop and pray and seek answers in the Word of God.

If you do not have clear revelation from God himself, then just wait.  Do not attempt to teach a thing when you do not have clear Scripture to back it up with!

Now see that the word says that these witnesses will be anointed with POWER FROM ON HIGH.

So in order to get this answer,  who is this, you must find Scripture showing what this power from on high is.  This is one of the main clues or keys to understanding who or what these 'WITNESSES'  is.   The other main key, or clue,  is the very word, WITNESSES.

You must do a search in SCRIPTURE,  not Dakes,  as to who is called  WITNESSES IN SCRIPTURE.

Here is the answer, from the Word of God.  If you cannot and will not drop Dakes false words, and accept written Scripture,  you will drop off into such darkness, you will soon despair of trying to serve God.  Please do not allow this to happen.

 

Here is the Scriptural answer to BOTH of these questions,  in one verse:  (why have such 'great' (sneer intended) men missed this obvious answer?

<NOBR>Ac 1:8</NOBR> But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.


There is many more proofs,  but I will wait to see how you receive this before continuning.  For if you cannot accept this, there is no need for me to waste my time doing anymore.

Love to you,

Jo



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