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 Message 1 of 92 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551  (Original Message)Sent: 1/17/2007 2:38 PM
From: joie  (Original Message) Sent: 8/6/2005 11:02 PM
 
I have yet to see a person who accepts this 'FAKE' name of God, [satan] who does not also ATTACK the KJV and the precious name of JESUS.
 
So this alone proves to me that this stuff is false and of the devil.
 
I had hoped when you first came in here that maybe you had the right spirit and could be led into some truth.  But I see now there is NO WAY.
 
No one with the true Holy Ghost would dare call the beautiful Word of God full of flaws and errors just because of some high-minded man, you call a 'scholar'  Says it.  I say they are atheists and workers of Satan attacking the word of God.
 
You have not studied the Word enough to realize the secret language it is written in.  It is NOT HEBREW, GREEK OR ANY OTHER EARTHLY LANGUAGE.    THIS IS ONE OF THE SECRETS GOD HAS REVEALED TO ME,  SOMEONE WHO LOVES AND FEARS HIM.
 
[his secrets are with those who love and fear him].  The WORD  IS  GOD.  So now you call God full of flaws and error.
 
The language of the Scripture [KJV] is NOT English either.  It is a secret language all its very own.  For instance God calls his children SHEEP,  wheat, corn, cattle and other such things.  Now see, this is NOT OUR VERSION OF ENGLISH.
 
Sheep, in the English L.  means an animal.  But to God, sheep, means his children.  How bout that?
 
The Word is full of such things.  So you carnal minded God-haters, can never see the truth......so you see imagined 'flaws'......because you are not his sheep.  You cannot HEAR his voice....his word is his voice.....and it is foreign to you, Eric, and your silly 'scholars'.  They have blinded your eyes and deafened your ears.
 
Now for another little 'secret'.  the NT PEOPLE  HAVE NT NAMES......NOT OT NAMES.
They are NOT HEBREW NAMES FOR HEBREW IS OT.
 
God did away with the OT and everything that goes with it.....even OT names and the Hebrew Language.
 
If you don't believe this [and of course you will not..........for to you I am not a scholar.]
But it is ok.  God did not reveal His truth to scholars.....he revealed them to BABES who can hear his voice.
 
[now I AM one of them!]
 
But now check out the name DAVID.  You will find it is OT and not in the NT.
Check out Paul.  you will see it is NT, and not OT.........this is why Saul had to change his name after his conversion to the NT SALVATION.
 
check out Daniel.  It is OT.......and not in the NT.
Check out Peter....it is NT and not in the OT.
Check out  JOHN.  It is NT and not in the OT.......this is why the cousins wanted to name his Zacharias......after his OT dad......but God called him John, for he brought in the NT.
[this is glorious secrets you do not deserve to hear.....but I know you cannot hear it anyway.....maybe there will be some SHEEP of God out there who can hear this]
 
 
Check out Elizabeth....Mary......Mary is NT.  Elizabeth is OT    See if you can find Joel in the NT?  How bout Jeremiah?  or Isaiah?  or Solomon?  See?
 
Find Moses in  the NT.  Find Timothy in the OT.  Check any of them.  you will see that no NT names are in the OT. .....and the OT names are not in the NT.......
 
NOW FOR THE SHOCKER:
 
JESUS CHRIST IS NT.  IT IS NOT IN THE OT.  GOD'S SON DID NOT GO BY ANY HEBREW NAME!!!
 
HE NEVER AT ANY TIME HAD AN OT NAME.........HEBREW IS  OT.
 
JOHN WAS NT......HE FORRUN......JESUS........SO JESUS WAS IN THE NT GRACE......HE COULD NOT HAVE HAD AN OT HEBREW NAME......EVER.
 
So it proves you are all in total error, deception, lies, and on Satan's side of this army.
 
You have no truth.......and I gaurantee you not one of you can hear this = [understand it and believe it]......you will NEVER EAT JESUS' FLESH AND DRINK HIS BLOOD......FOR HE IS NT......NOT OT JEWISH STUFF......
 
Now this is the truth..........it is not for you who call God's Word a lie.....you will see the table set full of marvelous food.......but you will NOT BE ABLE TO EAT OF IT.
 
You will die of stravation.
 
Jo Smith with the glorious truth.


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 Message 78 of 92 in Discussion 
From: DoveySent: 7/27/2008 11:44 PM
If God gave a COMMANDMENT, don't you think that commandment MUST be OBEYED the exact way in which God said to do it?  What makes you think adventist or anyone else, has the right to totally CHANGE how God said to  keep that commandment?<Freeborn>
 
So, your solution is better? Rejecting the Commandment completely???? Not to acknowledge them? Trying to keep them under the administration of the Old Covenant should be something I thought you  would understand.... that stoning people is wrong or telling peope today they can't turn on electricty..goofy stuff ilke that. But instead, you come up with excuses to reject and make void the commandment. 
 
Yet, it's ok to sit and judge people for going out and assemble as a church on the 7th day Sabbath???  Come on now. Lets be realistic here.
 
Jesus is so right when he said...
Mat 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Mat 7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye
 
If you do it wrong, do you think God will acknowledge that you did it?  if it is changed to suit the people, instead of doing as God said, what makes you think God will accept that?  There is NO WAY.<Freeborn>
 
So again..your solution is to NOT try to do it at all?  To REJECT the commandment is better???
 
The OT people, who DID have that law, and disobeyed it, were destroyed. That is how strong God feels about perverting that commandment.  going to church perverts it.  buying food or gas, or anything else, perverts it.  You are in darkness.  doing your own pleasure that day, perverts it.<Freeborn>
 
Since God feels so strongly about His Commandments..then why teach against them??? Rejecting them is DOING YOUR OWN PLEASURE.  You keep looking at humans! We all know humans aren't perfect.   So the problem isn't with God's Commandment....the problem are humans and their stubbornness.  REJECTING  God's Commandments is stubbornness .  The solution is not bases on throwing away the Commandment.
 
Besides that, Saturday is NOT GOD'S 7TH DAY.  He did NOT rest one 24 hr. day, then go back to work again on the 1st day.  That is the height of ignorance of the Word of God.<Freeborn>
 
God didn't create the 7th Day Sabbath so that HE can rest.  He created it for OUR BENEFIT. We need a break from our daily work and routines.  God knows this.  It's not about HIM RESTING....it's about humans having a day to rejuvenate.  A day to put all our attention to God ,to come together with other believers, to study...spend a day with God. His Day. That's all He asks...for ONE DAY  out of the week.  
 
No!.that does not mean we don't honor or live for God the other days of the week.  That's not what I'm saying either.  Our  way of life is suppose to be dedicated to God.  Acknowledging His 7th day Sabbath doesn't mean we reject Him the rest of the week days.
 
God said he  ADDED the law to them, because of their SINS<Freeborn>
 
That's right.  He added them to show them..HOW SINFUL SIN REALLY IS!  He taught them how serious sin is...because through the law is the knowledge of what is sin.  Sin affects the sinner and those around him.  That my dear lady is called "relationship"....towards others.  How we treat them.   "Love your neighbor as yourself".  Relationship.
 
When we dont' take God's name in vain, when we don't make idols of anything..when we don't worship images in the place of God etc...it's RELATIONSHIP towards God.   You can't deny it.  It's a useless battle.
 
The rest of your reply goes off on trying to say..that obeying God's Commandments is a method of trying to achieve salvation or obtain salvation.  NO LAWKEEPING SAVES! 
 
Obedience to the Commandments is not to save ourselves.  It's not to boast, it's not about legalism, it's not trying to earn "brownie points"...........obedience towards God's commandments is acknowleging that God's way is the RIGHT WAY.  Our ways are against the Commandments.   Living God's commandments is living GOD'S WAY.
 
We live God's way from the heart.   Grace is forgivenss from a merciful God through His Son . Grace is not license to keep on transgressing God's commandments.  I'm not going to repeat stuff I've already stated.
 
DOVEY

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 Message 79 of 92 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/28/2008 2:22 AM
So, your solution is better? Rejecting the Commandment completely???? Not to acknowledge them? Trying to keep them under the administration of the Old Covenant should be something I thought you  would understand.... that stoning people is wrong or telling peope today they can't turn on electricty..goofy stuff ilke that. But instead, you come up with excuses to reject and make void the commandment. [Dovey]

Dovey, the above is nothing but outright LIES! Why do you have to tell lies?  I know why!  It is because you have no truth to come back with.  Now I am telling you one last time...STOP TELLING THESE LIES ON ME.  I AM MORE THAN SICK OF THIS KIND  OF FOOLISH TALK.

IF YOU CANNOT discuss Scripture and doctrine without resorting to these kinds of lies, you need to just stop it and forget God altogether, for you are not serving the true God.

I am not rejecting any commandment of God.  YOU ARE THE ONE WHO REJECTS THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD.

You hate the true commandments of God.  You have not one single revelation of God to teach.  You ought to be susipicious of this, your own self. 

 Why is it that you have no true revelation?  Or gift of the Spirit? or baptism of the Holy Ghost,  even speak against the Word,  GHOST,  calling it a phanthom god.  how ridiculous!

Now that is calling the Word of God a lie, for the entire NT speaks of the HOLY GHOST....YET THIS SANCTIOUSMOUS FAKE SABBATH 'DOER'  HATES THE WORD    GHOST.   WHY?

Why do you reject the entire NT in favor of some false church's doctrine, when they have not one truth, either?

Since God feels so strongly about His Commandments..then why teach against them???[dovey]

Me?  Why are you teaching against them?  Why do you deny the entire word of God?  Why do you pretend to believe the commandments,  (only one of them)... and pretend to 'keep it',  when in fact you would have not one thing to do with KEEPING IT.

You cannot change how God said to do a thing, and pretend you are doing it!  You can cling to that dead, false church of yours all you want....but you are warned.....it will land you in hell fire!!!

Now if that is what you call judging....then yes.  I can judge because I go exactly by what the Word of God says.  It is God's word which judges you.

Now lady, you just tell me what kind of beam in in my eye?  I want to know?  Is it because I teach the TRUE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD.....THE NT TEACHINGS OF JESUS CHRIST?

 

aND WHY DO YOU NOT TEACH WHAT JESUS TAUGHT?  WHY IS IT THAT YOU HATE AND DESPISE THE THINGS WHICH JESUS AND HIS APOSTLES TAUGHT? 

TELL US WHY YOU HATE THE RIGHT WAY OF KEEPING THAT OLD LAW SABBATH?  AND RUN ABOUT TRYING TO DO IT THE WAY OF THE FALSE ADVENTIST CULT.

 

lADY, if anyone throws away God's commandments it is you  and your false church.  They know not one thing about God's commandments and neither do you.  Just because you get in your little social thing on saturday, DOES NOT MEAN YOU ARE KEEPING ANY OF GOD'S COMMANDMENTS, NOR THAT YOU KNOW ANY OF THEM.....FOR INDEED ....YOU DO NOT!

AND NEITHER DOES THAT FAKE CHURCH OF YOURS.  ALL YOU CAN DO HERE IS THROW AROUND A FEW LIES AND A FEW DISTORTED VERSES, WHICH DO NOT FIT A THING YOU SAY.

Now I am telling,  the next time you falsly accuse me ,(see you think nothing about breaking  THAT commandment.....and think your little social gathering on saturday is going to excuse you before an angry God!!!)--the next time you falsly accuse me of rejecting God's commandments, and teaching against them.  YOU HAD BETTER BE COPYING AND PASTING MY EXACT WORDS.

i MEAN what I am saying.  I have spent many, many hours and days, trying to help you come out of your darkness into some light,  but you flat refuse it and hate the light.  So now,  I know it is of no use to continue trying to show you anything, since you are a full reprobate concerning the truth of God's word.

But I am telling you, do not falsly accuse me of this anymore,  to try to cover up your own ignorance of God's Word, and have nothing with which to debate.

Going to church is NOT KEEPING ANY SABBATH.    I AM THE ONE OF US WHO KEEPS GOD'S SABBATH,  NOT YOU.

YOu have no connection with God's sabbath, nor do you have any idea what it is.


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 Message 80 of 92 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/28/2008 2:56 AM
God didn't create the 7th Day Sabbath so that HE can rest.  He created it for OUR BENEFIT. We need a break from our daily work and routines.  God knows this.  It's not about HIM RESTING....it's about humans having a day to rejuvenate.  A day to put all our attention to God ,to come together with other believers, to study...spend a day with God. His Day. That's all He asks...for ONE DAY  out of the week.  [dovey]

Me:  if there ever was a false statement, the above is it!  Lady, you know absolutely NOTHING about God's Holy Word.  You would be far safer to stop getting on the computer or trying to 'teach' in any other way.
God will not condone your lies against his truth, and trying to teach others these same lies.
 
All liars shall have their part in the lake of fire.  It is speaking primarily about lying against God's truth. Every word you say is a lie against God's truth. 
 
There is not one word of your above statement written in God's Holy word.  So I challenge you to give me scripture for that foolish and ridiculous statement.
 
Lady, I have written several posts to you, and many messages, explaining the REAL SABBATH OF GOD.  So I am NOT going to repeat it and repeat it for you.  It would do no good anyway.  for you hate the truth.
 
But I am telling you,  DO NOT ACCUSE ME OF THESE LIES AGAIN.  I HAVE NEVER TAUGHT AGAINST GOD'S TRUE SABBATH.  I HAVE NEVER TAUGHT AGAINST GOD'S COMMANDMENTS.
 
I TEACH AGAINST THE ADVENTIST CULTS LIES.  AND YOU ARE FULL OF THEM.
 
This is one of the most damning churches on this entire earth.  Better had you never even pretended to have a church.  admit that you are just a God- hating cult.
 
God's Spirit in this world today  IS THE HOLY GHOST.  GET THAT,  GHOST....WHICH YOU DESPISE.
 
Having the HOLY GHOST IN OUR SOUL IS THE TRUE SABBATH OF GOD, which you have no intention of ever obeying and keeping.
 
saturday is NOT GOD'S SABBATH.  it is not the seventh day.  it is one of man's days which is not the Word of God.
 
Now if you want to rest your little ole body on saturday, do so. BUT STOP PRETENDING THIS IS KEEPING THE SABBATH.  IT IS NOTgoing to church is certainly not keeping it.  it is polluting it.  it breaks every law of that old sabbath which god gave Moses.
 
yet miss sanctiousmous dovey can pretend she keeps god's commandments and that jo teaches against them.
 
I WARN YOU,  I WILL NOT CONTINUE TO PUT UP WITH THESE LIES.
 
I like debating the Word of God with someone who knows something, or is willing to learn.  But you know nothing and you are not willing to learn.  I do not like debating with someone who has to resort to lying about me instead of bringing forth some truth.
 
Lady, here is what the word of God says about the real sabbath day: 
<NOBR>Ge 2:1</NOBR> Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
<NOBR>Ge 2:2</NOBR> And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
<NOBR>Ge 2:3</NOBR> And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

and you say it had nothing to do with God's rest??   (have you ever read one word of Scripture?  sure seems not !)

 Not one single word is mentioned here about being for man to rest his body in.  nor to keep his attention on God for one 24 hour period.

So this lie is how that cult you belong to deceives you all?  Well, you would not accept this kind of deception IF YOU LOVED GOD'S WORD ENOUGH TO STUDY IT A BIT.

 

I DOUBT YOU HAVE EVER STUDIED THE REAL SCRIPTURES....ONLY LISTEN TO YOU  FALSE TEACHERS.

Not only are you lying against me,  but you are lying against God.  and you want me to believe you are of God?    no.  you are not of God.  You cannot teach one truth. All you can do is repeat someone else's lies and lie about me.

You said this day is a day to put all our attention to God.   where is that in the Word?  And I seriously doubt that even one of your cult, including you, has EVER SPENT ONE DAY WITH ALL YOUR ATTENTION ON HIM.

 

Do you think God does not see and hear your hypocrite mouth?  Do you think He will just excuse this kind of blasphemy of his word, just because you go to some cult on sat?  You are fully deceived and being a deceiver.  but you cannot deceive me.  I KNOW THE WORD TOO GOOD.

show me one scripture saying God's sabbath is for you to get with someone else and study  .  that is not in God's Word.  You made that junk up.

And where in this world did you get this   outright LIE?  HIS DAY.  THAT'S ALL GOD ASKS, FOR ONE DAY. OUT OF THE WEEK?

Where is this world did that LIE COME FROM?

God does not ask for one day.  God demands our all, every day, every minute.  You silly people think you can run to your cult on sat. and live the rest of the week for your own self and get to heaven? 

Lady, if there ever was a demon from hell,  it is in your statement.  Your mouth is spewing out devils' doctrines.

 

You have a devil speaking through you.  I am having a hard time controlling the anger your ugly and evil post has stirred up in me.  I am a WARRIER FOR THE TRUE GOD.  And I am well trained.  So you best stop these lies right now.  

I  HATE THE EVIL JUNK YOU ARE VOMITING OUT HERE,  AND SO DOES THE ETERNAL GOD.

 

You have blasphemed the Holy Ghost here. and now you are vomiting out on God.  You have lied against him and all of his truth.  your entire religion is full of idols.

You are against all of God's commandment, which were taught by Jesus Christ.  and I grant you, that your life is full of idols.

 

do you keep xmas?  I bet you do, and that is IDOLATRY.  so is easter, and all the other man-made holidays .  It is all IDOL WORSHIP.  and I bet you do them all.

 

When I hear you teach Act 2, then I might listen.  But until then, you best stay out of trying to teach.  You are adding up punishment for your soul, as you teach lie after lie,  denying all of God's Word and upholding man's perverted teachings.

Jesus Christ said his COMMANDMENTS GAVE LIFE.  So again you prove to be a liar.  The true commandments are spirit and they are LIFE.

See?  yOU have no life and no truth.

 


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 Message 81 of 92 in Discussion 
From: DoveySent: 7/28/2008 5:55 AM

a lawyer.  what was he doing with this question?  TEMPTING him.  So you think this lawyer had a relationship with God?  no way.<FreeBorn>

No, It's not about the lawyer.  It's about the question the lawyer asked Jesus..and especially Jesus' response. That's what we're suppose to focus on.

Jesus said...Matt 22:36-40 "Master, which [is] the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."

DOVEY


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 Message 82 of 92 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/28/2008 4:41 PM
Dovey, that does not prove a single thing.  They were talking about the LAW.  tHE  question was about the law.  so Jesus answered about the law.
 
you are trying to take NT Scriptures, and place them in the OT Law system.  it is doing devilment to the Word of God.  NT salvation lives by the APOSTLES AND PROPHETS.  These are NT prophets, not the OT prophets, which go with the law.  Salvation is only by the Apostles and prophets of the NT.  You are still out in the cold.
 
No wonder you have no idea about any truth.  You only accept the false teachers of your cult's word on any of this, without studying the Word of God.
 
We have shown enough here,  NT Scriptures, to prove a zillion times over and over, that NT Grace people are NOT TO GO BACK TO LAW.
 
yOU HAVE no concept of the difference in being UNDER LAW, and obeying God's commandments.
 
Don't you know that Paul constantly spoke against going back under law, as falling from Grace?  and doing despite to the Spirit of Grace?  and being another gospel?
Yet he never spoke against God's commandments.
 
And neither do I.  Yet I warn you and everyone, who thinks you can go back under law, and still have God's grace of mercy,  you are totally deceived and under a great delusion.
 
If you took some time to study the Word of God, you could easily see this truth.   But you want no part of it.
 
I tell you again,   GOING TO CHURCH IS NOT KEEPING ANY SABBATH.  There is NO COMMAND FROM GOD ANYWHERE,  IN ALL SCRIPTURE,  TO GO TO CHURCH.
 
You are teaching man's lies,  not God's word.  You are obeying man's lies,  not God's word.

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 Message 83 of 92 in Discussion 
From: DoveySent: 7/30/2008 12:15 AM
you are trying to take NT Scriptures, and place them in the OT Law system.  it is doing devilment to the Word of God.  NT salvation lives by the APOSTLES AND PROPHETS.  These are NT prophets, not the OT prophets, which go with the law.  Salvation is only by the Apostles and prophets of the NT.  You are still out in the cold.<FreeBorn>
 
I think Jesus was pretty clear.  He said.. ".....all the law and the prophets".  Prophet is a prophet..I don't think God categorizes old, new or whatever.  Besides..all the prophets we need today are in Scripture.  Jesus said...law and prophets.   Law and prophets.
 
You trying to say He didn't say what He said....You want Him to say....prophets with no law.
 
DOVEY

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 Message 84 of 92 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/30/2008 12:56 AM

Mic 3:6 Therefore night shall be unto you, that ye shall not have a vision; and it shall be dark unto you, that ye shall not divine; and the sun shall go down over the prophets, and the day shall be dark over them.

No, Dovey. You do not know one thing about the truth of Scripture, for that old law has blinded you and killed you, spiritually. That OT fell, and everything which goes with it. It is a DEAD covenant, and all who try to live by it are dead in trespasses and sins.

Now, Mic. 3:6 shows God cutting off that OT covenant. It is dark over them. They have no light. The sun went down over the prophets. It means the OT prophets. They are not able to divine any longer, for God put them into darkness. He cut all of that off.

Mic 3:7 Then shall the seers be ashamed, and the diviners confounded: yea, they shall all cover their lips; for there is no answer of God.

The above verse shows the same thing. The seers were the OT prophets. They must now be ashamed and confused and cover their lips, (means, do not speak)--for God no longer answers them. He cut them OFF.

La 2:9 Her gates are sunk into the ground; he hath destroyed and broken her bars: (law) ---her king and her princes are among the Gentiles: the law is no more; her prophets also find no vision from the LORD.

The her, in the above verse, is Old Jerusalem, the law. Her gates, or being the instrument of God, sunk into the ground, for she is the mystery Babylon, of Isa. 47 and Rev. 18.

See, here is the Book (Lam.), which completely reveals the cutting off of that old covenant. ---THE LAW IS NO MORE----SO HOW IS YOUR CULT GOING TO BRING IT BACK, WITHOUT BECOMING AN ENEMY OF GOD?

HER, OT, prophets, find no vision from the LORD. Second witness, confirming this statement.

La 2:6 And he hath violently taken away his tabernacle, as if it were of a garden: he hath destroyed his places of the assembly: the LORD hath caused the solemn feasts and sabbaths to be forgotten in Zion, ( oh, my!) and hath despised in the indignation of his anger the king and the priest.

Verse six continues with this description of how God cut the old covenant totally off: he took away his tabernacle with them.--- he destroyed the places of their assembly -- He caused their solemn feasts, (all of the OT feasts) AND SABBATHS to be forgotten in Zion, (the true church of God)---he hath DESPISED their king and their PRIEST.

 So now, in face of all this DESTROYING BY GOD, OF THAT OLD COVENANT, WHAT COULD BE LEFT OF IT?  God ended up HATING everything about that old covenant and their way of life!!!  He cut that entire thing OFF, to be no more!  So all who 'think' they are serving God in that manner,  are really serving Satan, and are God's ENEMY.

Sure, Jesus said all that law and prophets hanging onto something ----but that DOES NOT MEAN IT IS STILL FOR ANYONE TODAY. He was speaking of that old covenant. It is not possible to be in it and have the grace covenant.

Now here is the scripture for the Apostles and prophets (NT ministers)--

Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

Eph 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

If anyone is to be in Christ, they must be built upon the FOUNDATION OF THE APOSTLES AND PROPHETS.

This is A TOTAL DIFFERENT GROUP OF MINISTERS. It is not the OT prophets. It the prophets which work with the APOSTLES.

All of the apostles said, not to keep the law of Moses.  ACTS 15....GO READ IT..THEN TRY TO TEACH IT TO ME.

Why do you suppose they said that? Why do you disagree with them? You are not on the right foundation. You are on a dead, rotten, decayed foundation of SAND. And it will fall. It has already fallen, but you think it is standing.

Eph 3:4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

Eph 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

Re 18:20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.

Again, you show that you have no knowledge of the things of God.

The prophets which worked with that LAW, are not getting anything from God since Jesus Christ lived.

The HOLY APOSTLES AND PROPHETS, are those who received the BAPTISM OF THE HOLY GHOST AND LIVE BY GRACE, NOT LAW.

You cannot find one single verse of Scripture to back up your false doctrine. Give it up. It is just not there.

Jo


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 Message 85 of 92 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/30/2008 1:18 AM

Now, for the second WITNESS of this truth:

Zec 13:1 In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.

OK, what DAY is this speaking about? Reckon it is Saturday? Not hardly. It was the DAY of the crucifixion of Jesus, for that is when that fountain was opened for everyone, for cleansing from sins. How dare anyone deny this!!!.. and try to say it is some other time?

Zec 13:2 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will cut off the names of the idols out of the land, and they shall no more be remembered: and also I will cause the prophets and the unclean spirit to pass out of the land.

In THAT DAY?(which day) the time of the crucifixion of Jesus--- This even took the idols out of the land, (those who serve God, no longer serve idols, such as xmas.). AND-- I will cause the PROPHETS AND the unclean spirit to pass OUT OF THE LAND. (to those who come into Grace)-- He caused the prophets to pass out of the land…so how can there be any?

Zec 13:3 And it shall come to pass, that when any shall yet prophesy, then his father and his mother that begat him shall say unto him, Thou shalt not live; for thou speakest lies in the name of the LORD: and his father and his mother that begat him shall thrust him through when he prophesieth.

AFTER that day, when any shall yet PROPHESY, he is speaking lies in the name of the LORD--- why? Because he knew that God already said he CUT THEM OFF, PUT THEM INTO DARKNESS, AND ANSWERS THEM NO MORE?.THEY FIND NO VISION FROM THE LORD. Who is going to change this? Only an enemy of God would dare to try to change this much of his Word.

Zec 13:4 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the prophets shall be ashamed every one of his vision, when he hath prophesied; neither shall they wear a rough garment to deceive:

AND, in THAT Day, Again, what DAY? The day Jesus was crucified for the sin of the world, to bring CLEANSING?- in THAT Day, THE PROPHETS shall be ashamed of his VISION---why? Because they knew God answered them no more?so their vision is false.

 The ‘vision?/EM> of the ones who set up , or tried to set back up, that dead old law system, got a vision from SATAN, not God.

 

Zec 13:5 But he shall say, I am no prophet, I am an husbandman; for man taught me to keep cattle from my youth.

He shall say, I AM NO PROPHET. I am an husbandmen, keeping CATTLE = NT Christians. (I am the vine and my father the husbandman = Jesus = NT)

Zec 13:6 And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.

The above verse proves this is AT THE TIME OF THE CRUCIFIXION, AND THAT JO KNOWS WHAT SHE IS TALKING ABOUT.

Zec 13:7 Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.

The above speaks of the crucifixion and that THEN God turns to us little ones?.not OT prophets and priests, ministering death, or law.

Zec 13:8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.

What two parts were CUT OFF? THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS OF THE OT. Lamentations is FULL OF THIS.

Zec 13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.

The part he refines is the Holy Ghost filled Christians, who do not fight God’s truth, or the fact that he cut off the OT Covenant. We do thank HIM for that. Praise his most Holy Name for this truth.

There is not one Adventist, or any such folks, who can take Scripture and show any of this to be wrong, nor show that God uses that law today, or those OT Prophets.

God has spoken and proven this truth.

JO

 


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 Message 86 of 92 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/30/2008 3:18 AM
The Trumpet calls you to receive the engrafted Word of God into your souls, before Jesus closes that DOOR to salvation.

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 Message 87 of 92 in Discussion 
From: MSN Nickname®Larry_W_B_1©Sent: 7/30/2008 9:51 AM
The Trumpet calls you to receive the engrafted Word of God into your souls, before Jesus closes that DOOR to salvation.

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 Message 88 of 92 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameTweety134Sent: 7/30/2008 12:20 PM
 
Freeborn:
It's not about going to church. It's about acknowledging God's 7th day Sabbath.  You make it sound as if Moses invented it on his own.  God gave Moses Ten Commandments to pass down to the nation of Israel.
 
Ok Dovey,
You admit right here that God gave Moses the 10 Comandments. Yes. That is true. But can you explain or prove to us with Biblical scriptures that GOD wanted the these 10 commandements for all people that were on the earth for all generations? We the Gentiles are not part of the NATION OF ISRAEL. You say your self above that it was passed down to the Nation of Israel. And that is true. And can you prove that the 4th commandment was carried over into the New Testament and taught by Christ?
 
Have a good day.
Tweety

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 Message 89 of 92 in Discussion 
From: DoveySent: 8/1/2008 6:31 PM
Tweety: Think & ask yourself....
Is it sin to steal, lie, dishonor parents, covet, adultery..etc????   Yes...right? So even though some may teach that God's Ten Commandments are not in force are contradicting themselves because we all know ...those things I've mentioned are SIN.
 
Taking God's name in vain, worshipping idols...sin?  Yes.   They govern ALL of humanity..not just the Jews. God gave His Commandments in WRITTEN form to Israel.  That doesn't mean the law wasn't in existance before or after that point.
 
Was it sin for Cain to kill Abel?? Yes! "Thou shalt not kill" was in existance. In fact all the Commandments. When Adam and Eve lied to God was it sin? I can go on and on Tweety.. 
 
God is the lawgiver and as long as He is around so are His Commandments.  How can anyone  read those Commandments and not see the Character of God??  He is telling us How to love HIM...and  How to love our fellowman. 
 
People will try to divert you by saying things like..well Jesus gave so many other commandments & rules.  So did the Father. Yes..that is true, but the bases.... the foundation on which any of those rules or laws HANG.......are the Ten Commandments.  That is why Jesus said...the two Commandments....Love God and Love your fellowman as yourself.....HANG ALL THE LAW.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
 
Tell me who can top those Commandments of God?  Who can possibly come up with anything better then those Ten commandments?  When you feed the hungry...when you help an elderly neighbor...all those stem from loving your neighbor.  When you don't committ adultery, when you honor your parents, when you don't covet or steal..etc.  THAT IS LOVING YOUR NEIGHBOR as yourself.  Do you see what I'm saying here??  Look at the last 6 commandments. They tell you the bases of how to love your neighbor.
 
Sure people can go on teaching others that we don't need God's commandments yet they know it's sin to do any of those things ( Or not to do in some cases) God is not mocked.
 
You asked me if the Sabbath was taught by Christ. Yes Tweety...... He lived it. He was born among the Jews. He kept it in it's true intent..not the way the Pharisees had turned it into. He healed on the Sabbath...did good towards His neighbor. Isn't that loving our neighbor?
 
People keep saying "we don't live under the Old Covenant!"....yet, when they look at God's Sabbath they can't seem to get out of the Old Covenant concept. They keep looking at everything from the Old Covenant viewpoint.  Why don't they look at what Jesus was doing in the New???  How HE kept it.  Look at what the Apostles did and teach. None of them said God's 7th Day Sabbath was no longer for any human.
 
I'm only answering this because you asked me. I know I've explained it already in other threads. The next time you feel like it's sin to lie,steal, kill, covet..etc  Tweety........................... think about WHY it's sin and WHO SAID IT'S SIN. Then ask yourself is it one of the Ten commandments??  Most likely yes.  The Commandments TELL YOU what sin is and if we TRANSGRESS them we sin.
 
"Sin is the transgression of the law.." I John 3:4.  Nothing complicated. Commonsense.
 
God Bless U
DOVEY

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 8/1/2008 8:53 PM
round and round it goes,  ever learning, but NEVER able to come to the TRUTH.
 
Yes, it was sin to murder LONG BEFORE GOD GAVE ANY LAW.  Because it is sin to murder......not because law said so.  God said so.
 
Abraham was NOT UNDER LAW, BUT HE DID NOT COMMIT MURDER EITHER.
 
Abel was not under law, but he lived a righteous holy, life.
 
The LAW does not give us righeousness, nor love, nor the ability to live a holy, godly life.
 
It is anti-Christ to teach people to go back under law.  It is totally against Jesus Christ and his NT teachings.  Under law, there is absolutely NO SALVATION.  So all who go back to law, fell from grace, and are hell-bound.  Oh they just hate it that I can boldly speak this truth.  but I must for the sake of teaching God's truth.
 
These people prove what they are, in that they HATE and despise everything connected with the NEW COVENANT.
 
Jesus plainly told us in zech 13, that he broke that covenant the day he was crucified.  Paul verifed this in his writtings....but miss white taught the world another way and has led millions down the path of apostacy and damnation.
 
Tweey, I do not know what you meant by what you said to me.  But then lots of times I do not see you speaking the right things.  What do you mean, by, I act as if I think Moses invented that sabbath?  You surely run off into some dark corners sometimes.  What I am saying about their thinking their going to church is keeping sabbath, is plainly showing them that it is not a way given by God to keep it.  It is satan's way.  God commanded them not to go out their door....but these modern 'law lovers'  can do away with what God commanded moses, even though they claim loud and louder that they are still under that stone covenant, given to Moses,  but they can change what he said and set up their own ways.  It is from the pits of hell, from the mind of satan himself!
Like it or not.  I am teaching the TRUTH. 
all of you can slander me if you wish....but I am staying true to the true teachings of the ENGLISH KJV.
 
That weekly sabbath is NOT GOD'S REST.  it is a lie of satan to try to claim that Jesus kept that old sabbath.  He did NO SUCH THING, AND HE TAUGHT NO SUCH THING.
 
These adventist folks are anti-Christ and anti-NT salvation.  They HATE the holy ghost and every single manifestation of the Holy Ghost.  They even hate the name of the NT Spirit of God.
 
That ought to tell the world that they are not of God, and know no truth.
 
They are under the spell of old jewish fables, which is nothing but devil worship.
I can't make this strong enough!!
 
None of them will deal with Acts 15, or Zech 13.  They know good and well that they cannot.  They are not teachers of God for they are against Everything of God. This proves that they care ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT WHAT GOD SAID ABOUT ANYTHING.  ALL THEY CARE ABOUT IS THEIR     CULT!!
 
The NT is so clear on this fact that God did away with that old covenant, that written on stone, that only a DEVIL WOULD DARE TO DISPUTE THIS.
 
They are nothing more than  PARROTS....repeating the lies of their idolatrous cult.   saying.... Jesus did not do it as the Pharisees>.....so how did the Pharisees do it?----by going to the synagogue on saturday.
 
see their LIES?  Satan has raised up these haters of all truth and sends them out by the thousands upon thousands, to deceive more and more people. 
 
But only those of us who cling to the NT teachings of the ENGLISH KJV,  will escape the deceptions of Satan.  There are so many, only a few will come into the light of TRUTH.
 
It is getting fewer and fewer.
 
Nothing which the Word of God says,  means one thing to them.  They are hell-bent on denying Grace and hanging to law, by which they are ALL  JUDGED AS SINNERS.
 
Some of the very members who were here a while back, and seemed to be into truth, fell prey to this hideous  'go back to jewish' things, and began to be afraid to speak   GOD,  AND INSTEAD    WROTE  G-D, A SHORTENED FROM OF   CURSING GOD.  IT IS NOT WRITTEN THAT WAY IN THE ENGLISH KJV.  ALL WHO DENY THIS TRUE WORK OF GOD, ARE SATAN'S MISSIONARIES.
 
These NT Sabbath denying people are in the same class.  they hate the Grace Sabbath, that of having the Holy Ghost.  So they are hell-bound.
 
and I hate their evil teachings more and more every day.  It is nothing but missionaries of SATAN.
 
JESUS CHRIST DID NOT KEEP THE OLD WEEKLY SABBATH, FOR HE KNEW IT WAS NOT OF GOD.  LAW WAS NEVER GOD'S WAY OF LIFE.
 
I am tired of even trying to teach most of you anything, seeing you hate truth and love the devil's words.
 
Jo

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From: DoveySent: 8/1/2008 10:58 PM
By the way Tweety.....I'm not 7th day Adventist. I have never even visited one of those congregations.  I believe in the 7th day Sabbath because it's the 4 commandment.  Just like I believe all the other 9 commandments. God has a reason and purpose for all of them.
 
Just like there are laws in Driving. The laws are placed there to keep everyone safe when they go out on the roads to drive.  If mere humans can come up with simple laws to keep others safe, how much more is our Creator and God able to have Commandments to keep us on the right track?  Know what I mean?
 
Commonsense.  That's all it is.............commonsense. 
 
DOVEY

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 Message 92 of 92 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 8/1/2008 11:12 PM
your 'commonsense' is of the devil.
 
God gave us the HOLY GHOST to lead us, guide us and teach all truth. 
 
You refuse to answer my questions, because they will expose your SATANIC CULT as the anti-christ junk that it is.
 
You will pay for all the ones you help lead astray, if any are stupid enough to deny NT Salvation for your cultish junk.
 
If that old law sabbath is the TRUE REST OF GOD,  what is the OTHER DAY GOD SPOKE OF IN HEB. 4?
 
KNOW YOU WILL NOT ANSWER, FOR YOU CAN'T.
 
I posted this on another thread, but will post it here also, as I don't think you read other threads......as you are only concerned with strowing your false law dead religion.
 
Important message!
 
Anyone who teaches that NT Christains must go back under the dead old law covenant, is the enemy of your soul,  of Grace, of the kingdom of Christ and anti-Christ, denying the Blood of Jesus, doing despite to the Spirit of Grace,  and they are
MISSIONARIES OF SATAN.
 
I have never heard this term before.  I did not copy it from anyone anywhere.  God gave it to me today.
 
So I will call them this from now on --- MISSIONARIES OF SATAN.  And that is exactly what they are.
 
All those people who claim that we must return to old Jewish things, and a fake, false name for our Saviour,  instead of  JESUS CHRIST,  is  MISSIONARIES OF SATAN.
 
Satan taught them, gave them his spirit, and sent them out to tear down the faith of as many people as they can reach.  And they are reaching and tearing down millions of people, because they did not have solid FAITH in the ENGLISH KJV.
 
Their main tatic is to ATTACK THIS HOLY BOOK OF GOD.  They try to make us all think that God did not know English, or care enough , or have the power to KEEP HIS WORD PURE AN  GIVE IT TO THE WORLD, IN TH ENGLISH LANGUAGE.
 
All who try to say we must learn or study old Hebrew  and old Jewish  traditions and customs, in order to understand the Scriptures,  ARE MINISTERS OF SATAN;  MISSIONARIES OF SATANWORSHIPPERS OF SATAN.  SEAKING TO DESTROY YOUR SOUL AND TO TEAR JESUS CHRIST OUT OF EXISTANCE.
 
Now these are true words, from God.  so go believe the lies of satan's missionaries, if you wish;  hate me if you wish;  but all of these things will take you straight to a devil's hell fire.
 
Jo Smith,  missionary for Jesus Christ.

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