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| This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. | | I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world. | | The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat? | | Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. | | Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. | | For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. | | He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him. | | As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me. | | This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever. | | These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum. | | Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it? | | When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you? |
Look at verse 52. This is where you are. thinking that Jesus meant his earthly body. this is what they also thought. what did it do to them? drove them away from Jesus, for they were carnal minded and could not see that he means spiritual flesh, the Word of God, which God had put into the mouth of Jesus. will you also go away? will you murmur at it? does it offend you? can you EAT THE FLESH OF JESUS? IF SO HOW? YOU MUST EAT IT, HIS FLESH, TO HAVE SALVATION. can you eat it? How? v.50-- This is the Bread, which you must eat. this bread came down from heaven?. What is this bread? Can you EAT IT? Is it his body, from Mary? Is it the flesh from David? What is this bread which you must EAT? v51? I am this living bread which you must eat. What is this BREAD? Can you EAT IT? HOW? STUDY THIS SCRIPTURE. You must. You must deal with this, for you must EAT HIS FLESH AND DRINK HIS BLOOD. CAN YOU DO IT? You better get this right, for if not, you will not have eternal life. Now if you say, this is the man Jesus, then go find him and take a bite of his flesh. his arm, his leg, his stomach, what part will you choose to EAT? How will you get a drink of his blood? v52. are you a Jew? are you striving about this same question? Is this the flesh the Word became? How can you eat it. How can this man give us his FLESH to EAT? do you know? they thought he was speaking of his own human flesh. that is what you think also. where does this leave you? do you care? do you have an answer? was he speaking of his own human flesh? If not, why are you saying then that the Word was his own human flesh? Is this god which we must eat? v53... unless you EAT THE FLESH AND DRINK THE BLOOD OF THE SON OF MAN, YOU HAVE NO LIFE IN YOU. Was he speaking of the son of Mary? was he speaking of himself? His own body? if so, how are you going to eat his body and drink his blood? Don't say this is symbols either. Jesus did not say so. those jews, which you think knew truth, said he was speaking of his body. his human body. that is what you think also. you say this is the flesh which the word became. so go EAT IT. drink the blood of Jesus. Eat the body of the second person of the godhead. drink the blood of the second person of the godhead. Now is that Scriptural or not? If so, show me that verse. I am showing you what I teach quoting Scripture. you do the same. for your own sake. It will not effect me if you do or not. I already have the revelation from God. It matches the Word exactly. I do not add to it, take away from it or change it. v55. He makes it clear. He is driving this thing home. He is not letting it go. Neither am I. he said, My FLESH is MEAT indeed. he said My blood is DRINK indeed. so can you eat his flesh? can you drink his blood? my flesh is MEAT. The Word is the MEAT. the Word is the flesh. where does this leave you? have you any understanding? I want you to deal with this. if not, you care not for truth. and remember, Jesus said this, not me. He said that UNLESS YOU EAT MY FLESH AND DRINK MY BLOOD YOU HAVE NO LIFE IN YOU. v58.. this is the bread which came down from heaven. what was it? Jesus said that, not JO. | |
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Bill, you are a child in your thinking, and I do mean a human child. So you think you know truth? and consider yourself to be a teacher of the Word? You place yourself in a dangerous position. So now let's just see if you understand anything.
Ephes. 4:4-6
There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; [5] One Lord, one faith, one baptism, [6] One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
So you think the word ONE here means a digit huh? In other words, you think it is counting how many there are? Have you never looked up the word ONE ? If you are to teach, you must learn to look up words. for words have more than 1 meaning. So let's just see which meaning is meant here. Always remember to interpret Scripture with another Scripture, else you are found to be the interpreter yourself, and then you become a private interpreter, which is forbidden. Did you seek the meaning of Ephes. 4:4-6 from another Scripture? Or did you just think that you found something to put me down with? I think it is very obvious what the answer is. Ok. But does Tweety want any truth? that is the question I am concerned about. I know bill does not. but what about tweety? are you too hung up on dakes to get into any truth? Now: Is he saying that God is just 1 person? that father is just 1 person? that son is just 1 person. that holy ghost is just 1 person? he used acts 1:1-4 without even realizing that this is saying that 120 people all had 1 mind and 1 spirit and 1 accord. How can this be? It is impossible, with his kind of thinking. all 120 people could not have just 1 mind, now could they? is that sensible or what? So, let the Word of God interpret Ephes. 4: 4-6. (not bill) One body: Ok, Paul, speak. | For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. | | For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. (all of us got into 1 body) | | For the body is not one member, but many. | | If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? | | And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? | | If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling? | | But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him. | | And if they were all one member, where were the body? | | But now are they many members, yet but one body. |
Aw. now it is coming clear. all 120 in 1 mind. as the body is ONE, AND YET IS MANY, SO IS CHRIST. v12---many are one body. many members, yet one body. so also is Christ, which is the image of the invisible God. many are one. one body, yet many members. many are one. v 20. many members, yet but one body. another witness; | For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office: | | So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another. |
Paul, you are into cultism, for sure. saying that there are many who are one. 1,1,1, one way to God. 1, 1,, 1, many are 1. we, being many, are ONE body in Christ. 1 body, 1 member, 1 God. 1 mind. no pluralism. no sire. we are ALL ONE. we are not a plural body. we are 1 body. we are a single body. so is Christ. so is God. Christ, the image of God. man the image of Christ. 1,1,1,. one, one, one. many are one. one body. one Lord above us all. One God, yet many are this one. many members, yet just one body. yet man does not like this at all. no sire. we are many, but not God. no sire. he is just 1. 1 man is god. no, take that back. 3 men are god....but??///// 3 makes it plural.........upps. now where does that leave us trinity folks who declare that god is single and not pluralism. that is a problem, for 3 is plural. oh my. wretched man that I am, who shall deliver them from this delusion.? any more witnesses to this:; Ok one more.: | For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. | | For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. | | There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. |
No wonder folks don't like Paul. paul u is lunitic. we are ALL 1? HUH? ARE YOU SURE? COULD NOT BE. WE ARE NOT PLURAL. that is not good arithimatic. many are 1. Ye are all one. many are one. no pluralism. it is single. many are 1 body. God is 1 body. who you want to teach you? many is not 1, in good arithimatic. yet in Scripture, it is facts. it is singular. it is not plural. God is single, God is one. many are one. we are all one. 120 were one. Case closed. case proven. Thank you, brother Paul. You are a good lawyer. Thanks for coming to Jo's rescue. She is about to be sent to the choping block. | |
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| I started a better and fuller message on this subject yesterday, and have not finished it yet. When I finish it, I will post it also. Think maybe someday, this message will finally strike a cord with someone. Maybe, just maybe, someone will finally hear from Heaven and receive the true revelation of this great message. Hope so anyway. meanwhile, eat what he gives you. Jo | |
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| Thy WORDS WERE FOUND, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts. |
| Moreover he said unto me, Son of man, eat that thou findest; eat this roll, and go speak unto the house of Israel. | | So I opened my mouth, and he caused me to eat that roll. | | And he said unto me, Son of man, cause thy belly to eat, and fill thy bowels with this roll that I give thee. Then did I eat it; and it was in my mouth as honey for sweetness. |
| And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey. | | And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter. | | And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings. |
This is Scripture interpreting Scripture. Until you find Scripture which reveals what the other is saying, you are not interpreting right. When you say one means 1, find a verse proving this, or you are changing the Scripture to suit your own ideas. If you add words which another person added first, you are just as guilty as that other person is. You are partakers of his evil deeds. | |
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| (This is from a discussion I am having with Tweety and bill on her group. I am posting it here, so others can study this greatly misunderstood subject.)
| Tweety, I am going to comment on message #5 as there are serious errors and mis-truths put forth: It is quoted "No Scripture says or teaches that Jesus was or is the Word. Jesus gave us God's Word. It did not say that Jesus is the word anywhere." This is what happens when people do not interpret the scriptures properly, for John 1:14 in the Word of God says John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. And then in John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. Anyone should be able to understand what this says; THE WORD WAS GOD, IT WAS MADE FLESH AND DWELT AMONG US. What is so hard to understand about this? It isn't, so those who do not understand it, are not in the kindgdom of heaven. |
bill, it must be hard to understand, for you certainly do NOT understand it. The entire world does not understand it. Satan deceived this whole world. You are part of the ones he deceived, and you want no part of coming out of that deception. But I will prove every word you said is a false teaching. I guess you did not read the message I posted here, proving that what we EAT could not be Jesus' human body.....yet you still claim it is. And you say it is not hard to understand? then why are you having such a hard with this simple thing? Just quote me one single verse of Scripture saying that Jesus is the Word. that is all I want. I do not want what you and the rest of deceived folks say, that it means Jesus is the Word. the Word does NOT say that. All you can do is dispute what I am saying, with your own mouth. You are not proving a thing with Scripture, proving you think your own words are more truth than God's Word is. Here is proof of what I said = that God put his words into the mouth of Jesus.: | And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken. | | I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. | | And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. | | But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. |
OK, bill and tweety. Here it is. take this one bit at a time. I have to lay this out on a baby level, for you are incapable of 'hearing' what the Word says. If you cannot 'hear' this, it is because you are willfully blinding yourself, and God will let you believe a lie to be damned. Hate me if you must, but I am telling you what the Word of God says, not what some man said. That man will not give you eternal life, for he will not have it himself, for he taught things which God did NOT COMMAND HIM. If you say one word not written in Scritpure, you are GUILTY of teaching something which God did not command you. It is a sin punishable by eternal death. This is the most serious business on all this earth. It will last you eternally, what you believe and teach. So listen to the sure Word, the Written Scripture.>>.>>.>>> The above verses is where God prophecies that he would raise up a prophet of their BRETHERN, MEANS ONE OF THE HUMAN FAMILY, NOT A GOD. Do you know that the pronoun -- he -- is speaking of someone other than the speaker? when you talk and you say, He, you are speaking of someone other than yourself. When you say --- I -- you mean yourself. agreed? Him--- means another person. me--- means myself. I.... means myself. He , his,, him, means someone else. do you understand this simple truth? If so, proceed: | The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken; |
Verse 15 was Moses speaking. He told the people what God had told him = the LORD thy God, will raise up unto thee a PROPHET, (notice he did not say a god, he said a prophet of thy brethren, means the same kind of being, = a human being, and he will be like unto Moses. Now we know that Jesus quoted this and said it was speaking of himself. but watch: | And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken. | | I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. |
and the LORD said unto me (moses speaking) I will raise them up a Prophet, like unto you, and will put MY WORDS IN HIS MOUTH, AND HE shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. Now that is God saying I will put my words into the mouth of this prophet, whom I will raise up unto you. believe it or not, this prophet, was JESUS. He was a prophet. He was not god. he was not any second person in a godhead. he was not the WORD. (if he were the Word, why did he say, these words are not mine, but the Father's which sent me? why would have have to say, I say only what my father tells me to say?) or do you deny this also? God put his words into the mouth of Jesus. If Jesus had been the word, why would God have to put his words into Jesus' mouth? Now, bill, you bring forth written Scripture proving different. or tweety, get something Dakes said which proves this wrong. | |
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| For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the COUNSEL of God | Freeborn, this is exactly what you have done here in these posts. You have declared the council of God to Tweety and Bill, now it is left up to them, I would say. Why can they both not see this great truth, that you have laid out, so crystal clear, is beyond my imagination. | |
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| False teaching has blinded this whole world. Only those who truly open their heart and seek to know the truth of God, will ever come out from under this deception. it is crystal clear to those of us to whom God has instructed. | |
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This is another good one to study. If people could only learn this ONE truth, all false doctrine would crumble and cease. Lord, hasten the day, when the knowledge of the Lord will cover the earth as the waters over the sea. |
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