TY for the response Mr. Wonder.

I know what you mean. As I mentioned I have cautioned my friend that if we don’t see some change in our life, that takes not just temporary, then we should doubt if our conversion was genuine. He is the only person I can think of that I have told, ye you say your saved, but are you really? That is not an easy thing to do. I have asked him that several times. Once in front of his dad and his dad got kinda angry at me and accused me of judging.

When I talk about God or Christianity with them, I hear the words “brother Joel�?more than I do Jesus or even the name God.

The first few years I knew him, he defiantly seemed to be regenerated. Once I pulled out the bible on him and took a look at some justification passages in Romans and James. I showed him where Paul is talking about justification before God and James is talking about work “SHOWING�?to men. James and Paul are not teaching two different doctrines of salvation. It is just that James focuses on visible works “SHOWN�?to men. I also showed him several other verses and made the case that us believers should have some visible, tangible, and lasting changes that result of good works. We are created for good works.

So I told him that no man can judge another mans eternal destiny, but all men have to make judgments (discernment) about others, for themselves, based on works and fruit. I told him I could not judge his soul and make eternal judgments about him, but I told him that if I judge for myself, I cannot see where you show signs of genuine repentance and conversion. So please ask yourself if you are really saved, I asked him.

That was so hard to do.

Since this happened I feel so much pressure. And I kinda feel like I will end up being the fall guy for him not receiving his healing, because I don’t speak faith filled words.

It will be real tough for awhile. So please pray that my friend will be broken and will cry out in sincerity to God.

I do believe in healing.  If it is God's will he will be healed.   But, of course, I agree with MrWonder--he needs salvation more than anything else. 

 

I have had my share of run-ins with WoF in my own circles....I once got a very bad flu-like illness at a four day teen retreat I was helping with.  The room spun, I couldn't keep anything down, and I basically crawled along the hallway wall back and forth to the bathroom to throw up for the duration of the retreat.  I had some well-intentioned folks praying for me and telling me I just needed to get up and walk, and claim my healing.   If I had had the strength I think I would have punched at least one of them.  So, I forever went down in history as the one lacking faith.  LOL  Whatever!

 

If the pressure of dealing with these folks is too much for you, then maybe it would be wise to step back and take a breather.   I will be in prayer for you and your friend.

 

 

Hi Karkar, TY for the response.

I do believe in healing also. And I believe in miracles.

I just don’t believe that God needs man or mans faith to do so. God did not create anything by the power of faith, He created by HIS power. Faith in the object of faith, is from the devil. It makes God impotent and dependant upon mans faith to do anything. God is harnessed and restrained unless men practice effective faith formulas.

Because Jesus was God in the flesh. It was said of Him at Lazarus’s resurrection from the dead that if he had not specified Lazarus name before he said come forth, the graves of all men would have opened up. They don’t say this because he was practicing a formula and had faith in faith,,,, no they say it cause he was God in the flesh.

I have yet to see any say LET THERE BE,,,,,,,, AND THERE WAS. They claim God used faith and words to create. LOL. I have yet to see anyone use faith and words to create anything. When God said LET THERE BE, IT WAS because his is God. But man cannot create with words. A bunch of people in the world of the occult, think they do, but they don’t.

The word faith teachings that men are “little gods�?is very closely associated with their beliefs in word faith. I don’t believe my friends realize this. In the occult and new age men are gods and guess what, they create their future and the future of the world with words among other things.

I was reading in Daniel and it was talking about the anti-Christ. It said of him that he would not honor the gods of his father, or any god. But then it turns around and says that he will honor the god of forces. I did some research and the best explanation of the passage was that the “god of forces�?is the god (or belief about god) that says god is not a person but a force. And of course,,,, a force that you can “tap into�? manipulate, control and use it for your own purposes whether good or bad. And it really does not matter if your good or bad, a believer, or an unbeliever, as long as ya got the formula right.

This occultic word faith teaching is preparing the church for the great deception coming, that God is gonna send. The church is being set up to fall for the false wonders and miracles that are coming and the man of sin who will be doing them.

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I will be constantly evaluating my friendship and if things get to stressful, I will back off then. But for know, I can’t leave my friend. I am about as close to him as anyone is,,, and he needs someone who will be truthful to him,,, AND NOT TELL HIM WHAT HIS EARS ITCH WANT TO HEAR.

Ty AGAIN Karkar for the response and prayers.  TY for sharing your experience.

Hi Ya’ll, I wanted to ask ya’ll for your prayers again today. Things have gotten pretty stressful between my friend and I. He is still “believing for healing�? I mentioned that instead of memorizing “healing verses�?he needed to memorize the BIG 10 commandments and live them.

IN CASE YOUR WONDERING, as I am sure you have. The assistant Pastor at my church ask me,, “why do you hang around people like that?�?Here is what I told him.

Six years ago my friend moved in next door to me in a small trailer park. Things had been really bad for me between my family and I because my Mom was trying to control every aspect of my life. Even saying that,,,, even though my Mormon uncle who is a Bishop, was sending missionaries to my house and was telling me that the Christian church was of Satan and I needed to become a Mormon, that she would never talk to me again if I said anything to my Uncle about “his religion�? So when I met my friend I was down and out and still not talking with my family.

My friend was a very straight up person and I never doubted he was a Christian for almost 4 yrs. Even though he was duped by the WoF stuff, he had a descent grasp of the bible. He always made sure that I was OK. I sometimes go into depression for weeks and months, sometimes even years. At that time in my life, I was spending almost all of my time alone, did not have enough money to even keep myself in the essentials of life. My friend always made sure to come by after work and see if I was OK and if I had eaten good and not been too lonely.

My friend always had his daughter doing the single parent thing. He was really close with his Family and they came and visited often on weekends so I became friends with his parents and extended family too. They have treated me almost like family for about 6 yrs.

My friend was on parole when I met him, but 3 yrs later he got off and started to drink and drug again. I got pulled into it a few times too. A couple of nights I did some pills with him, but they threw me into a massive depression and I did not do them anymore. I don’t know about where ya’ll live, but here in Texas they have “pain management centers�?where anyone can go and get pain pills, and you really don’t even have to be in pain. Just tell em what you want and they write the script. Unfortunately I have many friends who have been harmed by this. One friend that has a back injury quit taking pain pills after almost dying from them. My Mom at times has abused the pain pills that she takes for legitimate pain. I HATE PILLS, they are so destructive.

NOW THAT I HAVE SAID THAT. I found out for sure that my friend stole some drugs from the guy that shot him. The evidence got so overwhelming that my friend finally confessed. But he is still lying. He tries to say the guy shot him over 20$ worth of stuff. (cocaine I think) but we are hearing it was much more than that. But he totally lied for over three weeks. I asked him “how can you sit there and lie, even live a lie, and not be convicted by the Holy Spirit, does the bible say to only tell the truth when we want too?�?/P>

He came off with this pathetic argument that “nobody tells the truth all the time�? I flipped my lid on that one. I told him straight forward that was a LIE. I know many Christians that tell the truth even when it hurts. And I don’t know one single Christian that lives a lie, telling one lie after another to cover up all the lies previously told. I got so angry that I hung up on him.

I AM GOING TO VISIT TODAY OR TOMMOROW.

So would ya’ll please pray. I feel under so much pressure, because I can not join in “believing for healing�?with my friend and his family. The temptation to just run away is very strong because I cannot agree with them. Because IT IS NOT ALWAYS GOD’S WILL TO HEAL.

So things will be stressful. And we will need your prayers. Thank you very much,

Sincerely,

Damon

Thank you very much for your prayers HisAlone.