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Members' Studies : T. Warren's Baby-burning Argument Vitiated
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From: MSN NicknameKenHamrick  in response to Message 1Sent: 3/26/2008 6:32 PM
The true Christian should not loose any sleep over children being Saved or not, because we know of a surety that God is "Just and Good" and always does what is righteous and true. We should be satisfied and comfortable in that knowledge. There are many who understand that this is true but who find it hard to take. I don't think there is one single Christian who finds it easy to take that some Children are under wrath of God, but we trust that God is sinless, and whatever He does is just and righteous...
Warren's graveside manners are atrocious! How could he be so callous and shameless as to tell believers whose children have died that they "should not loose any sleep over children being Saved or not, because we know of a surety that God is 'Just and Good' and always does what is righteous and true," when he has so emphatically taught that it would be just and good for God to send these "wicked" babies to hell for eternity? Yet, "We should be satisfied and comfortable in that knowledge"! Incredible!--And sad that any such teacher of the Word would teach such error and provide such counsel.
Isaiah 55:7-9
  • "Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
  • For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
  • For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts."
For now we understand as looking through a glass darkly, but God understands all. He is infinite, we are finite. So who are we to argue with Him about his calling cute little babies wicked and akin to 'snakes and little lions?' It's His sovereign right to do so, to have mercy on whosoever He Chooses, and not to have mercy on whoever He chooses. We cannot pretend to know better than our Lord whom He must Save in order to be righteous.
Again, Warren begs the question in his usual style, assuming that his thoughts on these matters are God's thoughts on these matters, and therefore to argue with Warren is to argue with God. Evidently, though God's thoughts are not our thoughts, they can be and are Warren's thoughts. In spite of Warren's assertions here, God did not call "cute little babies wicked and akin to 'snakes and little lions?'" The fact that God chooses to have mercy on whomsoever He chooses does nothing to establish that He has not chosen to have mercy on little babies who have not sinned, or that He is selective (and exclusive) when it comes to saving such little ones. There is no pretension involved in declaring what the Word of God declares, that God will judge everyone according to his own deeds. It requires extreme arrogance and presumption to take on the authority of God and talk down to those who would disagree or object.
In truth, the age of accountability doctrine is the offspring of the well oiled myth that man must Choose God in order to be Saved. This doctrine of course clearly contradicts scripture which says God hath both called, and has Chosen us unto Salvation. Unfortunately, some have distorted God's Word and claims that it actually means we must choose Him first. Then He will choose us. They teach that we must first do our part in accepting Christ, and then He will accept us. They are fond of saying, "You Choose God and he'll choose you." There is the rub. For new born babies and toddlers do not do this (which would make all children unsaved), and so they had to come up with an additional teaching to bridge the gap. Thus, "The age of accountability" was invented. ..otherwise, they would have to drop their, "you must first accept Christ" doctrines and confess in truth that Salvation is by God's Sovereign good will in choosing, and not by man's alleged free will.
This is patently false. The doctrine, popularly called the age of accountability, springs from the innate sense of justice given to all men together with the numerous scriptural affirmations of God's justice in judging all men according to their deeds. It does not contradict Scripture which says God has both called and chosen us to salvation, since the baby-burners have not proven that God has not both chosen and saved all whom He allows to die prior to obtaining an accountable understanding. The need for sinners to choose Christ has nothing to do with this doctrine. It is not about how people are saved, but why they are condemned. Many people have grown old and died without hearing the gospel, and so had no choice to accept Christ. Nonetheless, they are condemned for their personal sins and deeds. Little ones are not saved because they had no choice to accept Christ; rather, they are not condemned because they had no sinful deeds for which to be condemned by a just God who will judge them according to those deeds.
Romans 9:15-16
  • "For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
  • So then it is Not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy".
So then, Salvation is of God's will, on whosoever He will, not of man's (supposed) Free Will. Many Theologians deny this and claim that it is of man's free will. So without this "age of accountability," then they would be forced to believe in God's Sovereign right to Save whoever He chooses (as He said) and not be in obligation to Save "whoever Chooses Him." Because let's be clear about it. If Salvation is of man's free will to choose, then God cannot choose whoever He wants (such as children), he can only choose whoever wants him. Else Salvation is not by man's free will and their doctrine is proven faulty. They can't have that, and so they teach that Children are Saved automatically 'outside of their doctrine of free will' by this magic wand called 'age of accountability.' They do this even though it is confusion and clearly a contradiction to their own teachings that God 'doesn't' Save by His own Sovereign Choosing, but by man's Free will to choose. ..inconsistency is the hallmark of error. It's just another dried branch of the disjointed tree called 'Free will.'
Again, this whole line of argument is irrelevant and false. The Bible affirms both the agency of God in choosing whom He will have mercy on and the agency of man in choosing to believe God through genuine, repentant faith. The will of man and the will of God are not contradictory, but complementary--rather than working against God's plan, man's free will works out God's plan. Warren's attempt to play one against the other for the purpose of supporting his argument against knowledgeable accountability is inaccurate and ineffective. The two debates have nothing to do with each other. He is right that "inconsistency is the hallmark of error," and it's clearly the hallmark of his position throughout.

To be continued...