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| | From: Matty-Lad (Original Message) | Sent: 7/25/2006 11:46 AM |
Hello all,
A bit of a controversial question, but I'd like your thoughts.
Of recent, I had an unsuccessful consultation to go on pump treatment. One issue that came up is that I'm now "clinically obese" (and he's right 17st +, 6ft 2 tall).
Then it occurred to me about what was going through my life before I was diagnosed- I went down to about 13 stone. I looked good for it and it was easy to buy clothes. I recently went in to Next to try on a pair of jeans and the biggest size does fit me.
I'm not saying I'm going to attempt this, but for the sake of being tired and thirsty, would you give it a go? |
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I am going to honestly admit I did try it. I was laid up from a car accident and without exercising or merely doing my daily work around the house I gained 11 lbs. I hated it. I am chubby enough as it is and of course gaining weight does not help control the bg. So I cut back and felt okay until the third day and I was terribly sick with nausea etc. I will never try that again. It was awful and what I had to do was to eat 300 less calories a day. But I still have the 10-11 lbs and finally now I can exercise some it is coming back off slowly though. It is tempting because Humalog will put the weight on but it is because all the calories are being utilized now and doc said I had to eat a bit less as my body needed less and was utilizing it better. Seems like we gain if we have strict control and lose if we don't and hard to find the right number of calories that we actually need. Don't do it. |
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| | From: k8t | Sent: 9/5/2006 9:49 AM |
hello i am over weight and my doc gave me metformin to take along side my insulin to help with the weight loss. it does work and helps my control too. what ever you do, do not stop the insulin. i had DKA a few yrs back, i have since had max laser in both eyes, have kidney problems and neuropathy. the DKA was induced by very bad care i received in hospital a few yrs ago, the stupid doc thought a diabetic needed a glucose drip not insulin following surgery! ask ur doc about metformin. take care kate |
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Thank you to the last two responses for your honesty. I found it most refreshing.
In honesty, I think the way I feel after hypos when I sleep (see other posting) that I don't think I could bare feeling like poo for more than a few hours. It's just not good for me.
It's interesting to see what a few days without insulin does. Katy raised some valuable lessons for us all if we're considering such a strategy. |
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I tried it, in the past. Never again. Now if I even miss one of my injections I physically get very ill and if I go a day without insulin I just collapse. |
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Metformin is glucophage. My endocrinologist said that it was the glucophage that caused my pancreas to burn out turning me from a type two diabetic to a type one! You might want to talk to your doctor about this. |
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| | From: sarahQ | Sent: 1/7/2007 8:09 AM |
You can not go from a type 2 to a type 1 unless you were misdiagnosed. You may be a LADA or 1.5 but only certain blood tests will tell you this. The other option your type 2 has progressed and you need insulin. Best wishes SarahQ |
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No, glucophage/metformin has absolutely nothing to do with the pancreas. It works on the liver, keeping it from dumping glucose into the system. It will not cause the pancreas to burn out. Some doctors are so stupid, but not their fault entirely. They should be required to update just like teachers do. They just do not have time to read the latest developments. I too am on Lantus and Metformin! As long as I take the meds as Rx'd I am in tight control, but must eat to match the amount of Lantus the doctor said to inject! Thus gaining weight!! I am approaching the Blimp Stage again! Cannot exercise enough to keep the weight off. Start going hypo mid afternoon - 40 (2) - and that isn't fun either! Try to change base insulins to the Levemire! or change the amount needed to very minimum. No, type 2 is glucose impaired and type 1 is no activity from pancreas at all. Two very different diseases even if they carry the same name. And one doesn't change from type 1 to type 2, ever! There is a type inbetween that is a combo of the others, and is treated more like type 1. |
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Sorry, but that isn't true. I'm a living example. I was diagnosed as a borderline diabetic when I was 20. Then about 10 years ago I had to start taking the pills to help with sugar levels. When they no longer did the trick, I sought help from an endrocrinologist. He ran some tests and said I was a type one. I could/didn't believe it and he showed me the test results. It was then that he explained that my pancreas no longer was working and that I had developed antibodies against the pancreas which made me now a type 1. Type 1 diabetics are diagnosed from childhood...as I understand it. Teacherlady55 |
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| | From: sarahQ | Sent: 1/7/2007 9:20 PM |
Type 1's are not always diagnosed in childhood. There is no such thing as border line diabetes. It's like saying you are almost pregnant!! You either is or you isn't. It is also writen in all the medical books you can NOT go from 2 too 1. As I had stated you are prob a type 1.5 which is slow onset type 1 where you start on meds while pancreas has final fling then you end up on insulin and have the same treatment as a type 1 because to all intent and purpose that is what you are. You were prob misdiagnosed as a 2 instead of a 1.5. |
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Now, back to the original subject... Yeah, go ahead and stop taking insulin if loosing weight is more important to you than your eyesight or your feet and legs or your liver or just about any other organ in your body that is being slowly destroyed by high BG levels. Is having a heart attack more appealing than a few extra pounds? Oh, and of course there is that pesky little problem of having a stroke possibly and loosing the use of your arm or one side of your body and not ot mention the control of one side of your face... yeah, that's atractive... WHAT ARE YOU THINKING?????? Weigh the risk and if you think it is worth it go right ahead but don't say you weren't warned. By the way... you won't necessarily know it is happening to you until it is too late! |
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Thinking that only children get type 1 almost killed me. I was 28 years old, they insisted I had to have type 2 even though I was down to 88 pounds. My neighbor's brother developed type 1 at age 52. And no, you cannot go from type 2 to type 1. |
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Type 1 can be diagnosed at any age. Of course the younger it is diagnosed the more complications and these complications come sooner. The little ones are the saddest for me to see. Insulin especially Humalog will put weight on but honestly I think the weight comes because when the bg is high a lot of the calories are sent out in the urine. The hard part is adjusting our intake to a lower calorie amount when we get strict control. We are not use to eating less and now we are using the food calories to our cells where before we were not. So is it the insulin or is it our diet that is at fault in weight gain. Insulin does put on water weight gain. At times I have to lower in insulin intake for awhile in order to get my body to readjust again. When I then go back to the amount of insulin I need it works better. Many type 1 diabetes know this and do readjust for 3-4 days. If not the units needed would steadily rise. This is of course with type one diabetics on insulin who have had it for many many years. Not for those new to management. Katy |
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| | From: sarahQ | Sent: 4/26/2007 11:36 PM |
Type 1 can be diagnosed at any age. Of course the younger it is diagnosed the more complications and these complications come sooner. The little ones are the saddest for me to see. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Where do you find all this misinformation Katy? I know so many type 1's who have had diabetes from an early age with no complications even 1 lady diagnosed aged 6 she has been on insulin for 63 years with no complications. I have been type 1 for 42 yrs diagnosed aged 4 1/2 no complications. My uncle 40 yrs on insulin no complications. There are 3 people that have been on insulin for 50+ years in my village all diagnosed as children no complications. Insulin does not cause weight gain it is the act of getting the insulin and food intake wrong. |
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I stopped taking my NPH back in the day because a buddy of mine said it would help me lose weight. I'm not super big, but a few pounds, now that was the ticket. A ticket right into the ICU for severe Ketoacidosis. WOuldn't recommend it! |
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not a chance would i do that.....extra weight is one thing but to make yourself ill over it is wrong....i lost a brother to diabetes both legs amputated..blind ...and on dylasis......but the final killer was he couldnt eat......nothing but skin and bones......he was 48......iam 53 dont get me wrong i do have high sugars at times but never would do it to lose weight......iam trying to get over is death but.. iam very angry i even thought after his death ehat the hell i will do what i want....but i could still see his eyes begging me to help him...sorry for being so emotional but he was my 2nd brother to die of the disease.....he was 49......so next time you think of not eating to lose weight read this...hope it changes your mind |
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