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From: MSN Nicknamealilwizernow1  (Original Message)Sent: 5/25/2007 1:30 AM
Well Ladies here I am again...seeking the assistance of the many superior minds we have on our wonderful board!  Summer is almost here and I am once again looking at entertaining several of my younger children's friends for extended periods of time. Now this isn't the issue as they are 12 and 14, trustworthy, entertaining, and for the most part..delightful to be around. Believe me I am grateful for this!  My problem is my son's very best friend spends more time at our house than his own and this young man has a HUGE appetite!  To give you an idea of what he can eat at one setting he has recently eaten 13 bananas, 2 boxes of cereal, a 12 pack of soda, 2 bags of chips, plus breakfast, lunch and dinner, single-handedly, on an overnight visit!  This child comes from a two parent upper middle class family where he receives ample food.  They are not secretly starving him.  I don't believe, however, he has been taught any manners.  At our home, food is not an unlimited supply. Being a single mom(and I would think most families have a food budget?) we are limited in the amounts that we can eat at a given meal and in a given day.  I cringe when this boy is coming over as he may eat the equivilent of several days worth of food in one day.  My children will call me before dinner time to come home from a friend's home so that the parent's do not feel like they need to invite them to stay.  This boy assumes he is going to stay.  I have begun to take him home before dinner because we don't have enough food even for our own family sometimes!  My question is...How do I handle this gracefully?  When my son goes to his home, he takes his own soda. He only eats one meal and only stays one night. This boy stays 2 or 3 nights at a time at our home. Again, I don't mind the staying..but the huge amounts of food are severely straining my budget? Haven't had this problem before. Does anyone have a creative solution? Thanks, Gena 
 


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From: MSN NicknameabsolutelystumpedSent: 5/25/2007 2:14 AM
Popcorn and Koolaid for snacks.   Hide everything else!
Serve dinner such as spaghetti  and salad, then when everyone has a share, that's it. 

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From: mstrebks1Sent: 5/25/2007 2:20 AM
Limit overnite stays to 1 nite. Popcorn or pretzels are good snacks. I buy iced tea mix, store brand, for the "boys". I can't imagine a kid eating that much. Girls want to diet so thay wont eat as much.

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From: MSN Nicknamewindchimes2002Sent: 5/25/2007 2:51 AM
Oh Gena...please don't send him to my house....smile*  I budget so much each week for groceries too, so I can understand.    We had so much company over the Christmas holidays (which I loved every minute of).....but I had never spent so much on groceries.  I relate to your posting because when my girls were teenagers, we always had a full house of kids over and I think they all came hungry and there were a few that came Friday night and stayed till I finally took them home Sunday evening.
 
All the snacks posted sound like economical one's.....and I think you are correct in taking him home before dinner if need be and just explain to your son in advance that it's affecting what you have to feed the family.  Kids understand and you can tell him, when his friends eat all the snacks you buy for them, then there won't be anything for him. 
 
There might be some way (just guessing here) that you could bring up...."hey boys, it would be great if you could bring some snacks with you when you come over and then we'll add snacks and then all of you can have all different kinds."  
 
 Awww...hugs....know you love all the kids....and will have a great summer!  Oh yes...just thought....jello is a good snack too.
 
Hugs!

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From: MSN NicknameAngelbear1231Sent: 5/25/2007 3:26 AM
I don't know if there is a graceful way or not other than the truth. I would talk to your son. Like someone else mentioned explain how it is and this can't continue although you're fine with him coming over. When its dinner time tell him he can come back after dinner. If you don't control it now it will only get worse and the friend will think its OK. The amount of food you mentined he ate in one sitting is just plain rude. A snack here or there is OK but very limited and maybe they should be asking you before eating something. He needs to understand your refrigerator is yours not his. LOL!!  Good luck!

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From: MSN NicknameCC20010Sent: 5/25/2007 3:56 PM
HOLY COW!
This kid must be a whooper!He will be if he doesn't stop this binge eating.I guess there's really no delicate way to handle this.You'll just have to pull him to the side & tell him he'll have to eat HIS equal share.Nothing more,nothing less.Wonder what's causing this binging,could be a mental problem(IMHO)

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From: BabsSent: 5/25/2007 5:13 PM
Hope you will understand that sometimes I feel like the odd sister out here because I have no children and have never had to deal with such a thing...

But... shouldn't you talk to his parents about this... I mean really if he is eating that much at your house there has to be a reason he is doing it... even it they live in a different income bracket they can not be so insensitive to the fact that their child is causing a hardship to his best friend's family... if they are not aware of it they should be...

In any case you could stress to them that it is a pleasure to have him over but he is eating you out of house and home and really would appreciate any ideas they might have...

Just a suggestion...

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From: MSN NicknameabsolutelystumpedSent: 5/25/2007 6:21 PM
I like your suggestions, Babs. One needn't have children to have sensible approaches to problems.
 

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From: MSN Nicknamealilwizernow1Sent: 5/26/2007 3:04 AM
Thanks for all the good advice! Sometimes I wonder if I am a weirdo! The standards I hold my children to, seem outdated at times at least as far as manners and character expectations go....I am so grateful that I have you ladies to talk things over with! BABS....I always enjoy what you have to say and more often than not I find myself agreeing with your opinions. Just because you don't have children doesn't disqualify you from stating what is on your mind, in fact, I am sure some of us would agree..at times..having kids may make us feel like parts of our minds are being sucked out of our brains!!!!  As a parent of so many children, I have  a tendency to get caught up in the busy everyday running of everyone's lives,and it can be easy to overlook the most direct answers.
 
I am really turning this situation over in my mind.  It is a sensitive area. I have known the boy since he was six. I like his mother but am not close to her.  I know she would be mortified if she knew what her son was doing, but I am afraid that she might not let him spend as much time at our house if I mentioned this problem.  I am becoming increasingly puzzled as to why this young man is spending more and more time away from his home.  My oldest son believes it is more a reflection of the relaxed atmosphere of my home than problems in this boy's, but I am not convinced.  Do parents really let their kids spend every weekend, and several days a week,  away from home?  Don't they want to see their kids?  Don't the kids want to see their folks?  One thing I have come to realize is that I can't solve the world's problems and there are many kids who just need a safe place to land.  I don't want to deny this child that harbour if he needs it. However, there IS the issue of whether or not he will starve while he is here.
 
So, as so many of you suggested...I will concentrate on inexpensive snacks. Put those snacks out when he is here. Hide the other food. Inform MY kids of what is off limits!!! Probably inform the other kid as well, just like he is one of my own, since apparently he has decided he likes it here.  I may mention that he is welcome to bring snacks that he particularly enjoys.  As you mentioned...Girls are always dieting and never eat much...they are just perpetual motion!  I hadn't considered hiding food, but that IS a good idea and I will do it! Thanks for all the good advice. Gena

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From: BabsSent: 5/26/2007 3:37 AM
Chuckle... well... thanks guys... glad you like what I have to say...
 
Guess my initial feeling on this is that a kid that stays away from home a lot may very well just prefer the comfort in your home but I agree it is very odd that his parents keep letting him do it...
 
The eating your are describing sounds like an eating disorder and could be dangerous for the boy... that is why I thought maybe a discussion with them might be in order...
 
I don't think your idea of manners are wrong or antiquated at all... Good luck with it all Gena...

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From: MSN Nicknamealilwizernow1Sent: 5/26/2007 3:58 AM
Oh by the way...this boy is about 5'11" and weighs about 150 or 160.  He grew about 6 inches last summer when he hit puberty, so I wonder if it has something to do with that! Definitely seems odd doesn't it? But believe me..he doesn't throw it up...not even the 13 bananas..didn't even get the tummy ache..I'd have thought a gorilla would get a belly ache. LOL  My teenaged boys have been able to eat, but never like this kid...so I guess you are never too old to see something new!  Now I just need to find some new hiding spots. LOL

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From: MSN NicknameLoriP80112Sent: 5/26/2007 5:56 AM
Babs, like you I've never had any kids either, but the suggestion you made crossed my mind when I read this post, too!
 
But I have a question, Gena...did it ever cross your mind that even though his parents are in a different income bracket, and they obviously know the appetite he has, maybe their glad that they don't have to feed him?  LOL  I know, it's just a joke, but seriously, I'd do as Babs suggests...talk to his parents...and do what you're doing now by taking him home before you and your kids sit down to dinner.  Heck, I only have to worry about feeding myself, but on my salary even I have to budget for groceries!
 

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From: MSN NicknameJosannaJavaSent: 5/26/2007 10:46 AM
HI Gena; everyone gave you such great ideas.   My middle sister is 7 years older than me, but  I can remember when she was dating her now husband in high school, he would eat what Mom had planned to pack in Dad's lunch the next day, so she had to tell my sister what was off limits in the frig!  Tell you son what is off limits and what isn't.
 
sending hugs, Josie.

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From: MSN NicknamePenny_PASent: 5/26/2007 12:52 PM
Ohhhh Gena,
 
I know how you are feeling.  Our home has always been the "hang out" and still is, and we always had (and still have) extra people for many meals.  For many years, We had one neighbor boy for most all meals, and he spent most nights here...we considered him one of ours after a while, but he was polite and never took advantage.   There were always 3-4 of the boys friends here during the week, and more on the weekends.   The boys (and their wife and gf) always come by on the weekends for cookouts now.....and several of our "adopted" kids as well...on a regular basis.
 
But in all those years, we've only had one like you described.  This boy was absolutely obnoxious, but didn't realize he was.  He had a few issues, and was well indulged at home.  I remember one time especially he announced to us that he didn't eat vegetables, and he didn't eat (whatever our side dishes were) but he loved filled chicken breasts, and proceeded to pile 4 of them on his plate.....and I had only prepared to allow 2 per person (for the guys.)  He just didn't understand he was taking so much he was taking away from others.  (I guess they are used to the all you can eat buffets lol) We didn't say anything....because we were caught off guard....but made a point from then on in.....when he was here....WE fixed the plates and handed them out......cafeteria style.  But we had to be fast...or he'd beat us to the food....lol.  He would also help himself t anything he wanted....because he'd see some of the others doing it (but they didn't take advantage and he did.)  Often he'd handle food without washing his hands and always seemed to get his hands in the food, and I threw away food a few times because it grossed me out so bad.
 
One trick I did learn though...is they will more quickly help themselves to things that are out in the open and readily available.  I always had a big basket of fruit on my table, which I put away when he was around or else it would be instantly empty.  Thing was....this boy is the son of good friends of ours....so it was a lose-lose situation for us....to have to address....so basically we tried to prevent it as a means of control..and hoped time, maturity, and creative food management would improve things.   We also talked to our sons privately and they made an effort to control him as well.  Out of sight out of mind worked pretty well for us.    A good friend of mine told me once that boys are just "appetites with legs."  lol....I always remembered that.
 
Is this boy a very close friend of your son's.....or just a casual pal?  Does he have any particular issues that might affect his behavior and lack of control?  Or is it just bad behavior?  That would probably make a difference the ways you would need to control it.  I had to get creative....especially with weekend meals...as during all half decent weather we are outside eating at our picnic tables....so knowing there would be an extra mouth or two or three....I made a lot of budget stretching but tummy filling things....like I'd make a big roaster of baked mac and cheese...and throw hot dogs or hamburgers on the grill when I had a big bunch of kids.  I also bought a lot at Sam's Club...in bulk.  And most of the kids that were here....we encouraged to be here...because we figured if the kids were here...we always knew where our boys were...and what they were into...and it gave us a lot of control and we slept better at night (especially during those teenage years.)  
 
You know...you might be very right ...the things you are wondering.  I used to wonder the same things....(why do parents just casually permit their kids to be away for days at a time?  and why do kids want to be away from home so much?)  Your oldest son probably hit the nail on the head.  We are very relaxed about things here....and we actually had a couple kids from families much more well off than we are (we are pretty laid back and live pretty simply)....with big fancy expensive homes....tell us....they loved coming here...cause we didn't freak out if they forgot to take off their shoes...or sat on the wrong chair....or used the "good" dishes.  They said it was relaxed and they always felt welcome and comfortable. And with the case of the neighbor boy that we call ours....they had plenty of food at their home...and money was not in short supply....but there was constant tension and fighting between his parents that upset him.   Kids won't stay where they feel uncomfortable.  So I guess this speaks highly of you and your home  :-)
 
I probably myself would not speak to the parents....because it runs the risk of either the parents getting offended and not allowing the boy to come to your home or to spend time with your son any more......OR ...them talking to the boy about it...and risk that your son will get teased or made fun of because of it (kids can be such brats at times...lol.)  I would probably find avoidance the best control....and do things like tell your son timeframes when the overnight visitors can arrive....and where you've put away food planned for meals.... and what is available for them for snack times...(I just can't BELIEVE the amount of food this kid put away at your house...holy cow.....)  or find a good hiding place.  For instance, I never had 13 bananas at our place at once.....but if I did....I would put out maybe 4-5 of them in the fruit basket...and put the rest away in a cupboard.
 
I really do feel for you....because it's a hard situation amd obviously you have a very generous heart.....  Hopefully with the assistance of your son helping with enforcing the rules, maybe some creative food storage...things will get a little easier for you.  Obviously this boy....needs to learn some manners...and some control.

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From: MSN Nicknamealilwizernow1Sent: 5/27/2007 12:44 AM
Thanks guys! I think you guys have the situation pretty well pegged! Penny that is exactly what the situation looks like here! This kid is my son's BEST friend and in all other areas delightful.  Just really HUNGRY I guess!  I spoke with my son today and he said he believes that the reason this boy wants to be at our house is because it is more relaxed. Jake says our rules make more sense and are about important things. I made certain that Jacob understood that I would tolerate No Nonsense again, as I was wondering about this whole rule thing. But after talking it became apparent that it is about trust and teaching kids at a young age to make the right choices. This is something I have worked on for many years. It helps this is my second set of kids as well. LOL  Jake has no idea why his friend eats so much, but he laughed and thought hiding the food was a good idea as well. LORI..I hadn't considered that this boy's parents might be glad to have a break from feeding him! I know I am glad to get a break from feeding him.LOL  Penny again, thanks for sharing the story of the boy who didn't eat vegetables and loved chicken breasts...this kid is just like our banana boy!!! We all just stare at him and he is also indulged at home! However, he isn't really obnoxious, so funny he keeps you rolling in the aisles!  So, I guess this is why food lockers were invented! Thanks for all the good advice and the laughs..I may tap on his leg to make sure it really isn't hollow....Gena

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