the AC is the birth moment.
2nd Octave: Birth & Childhood
The 1st House : is indicative of birth to around 7 months old, and "how we bond" with the mother.
2nd House :(Mann says), is how we come into contact with physical world or 7 months to 18 months old.
3rd House:is how we learn to walk, talk, communicate, express (20months to 3 years,4months of age).
4th House: the child Identifies, or rebels against family structure here, (3yrs.4months - 7 years symbolically)
3rd Octave - Maturity
5th House: Plays games,/Exteriorizes,/Expresses Intentions rules ages 7-13 years
6th House: Secondary school - develops an attitude to our body & sexually/college/1st job (13-23years,5months)
7th House: Permanent Relationships, have a family, focus on career, from (23 to 42 years old)
4th & Final Octave
8th H Cusp: from mid-life (gradually detach from life)disengage in old age & prepare for the end. (42-death)
ruled by Scorpio......
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1st Octave - Gestation
9th Hs.Cusp to Birth at AC.
Planets or all of them here concentration of energy towards creativity, strong influences, (of an 8th-12th Hs.variety)
stores physically and "felt" as instincts, and lie deeply within. (the gestation symbololgy) a "compulsion" to create.
whereas:
2nd Octave domination
is more into "emoting" (emotions & mental agility)
Venus may be the sister or close relative, (a grandmother), whereas, Jupiter maybe a grandfather, a beneficial person, a doctor, someone who is helpful.......
even a helpful uncle.
The Transpersonal Planets
7 years Uranus : it takes to go thru ach sign & 84 years to circulate the zodiac and lifetime
14 years Neptune (a cycle of 165 years)
22 years Pluto (cycle is 265 years)
The Personal Planets
Sun Moon Venus Mars Jupiter and Saturn go thru all 12 signs by the age of 29 years when Saturn completes it's first full cycle..........
NOTES:
IF Sun opposite the AC (at birth,) Father is usually absent (emotionally or literally)
Sun on the AC the Father is present at the Birth moment.
Mann also suggests:
IF the Sun has no direct aspect, may be absent at the birth or just not "present" emotinally or physically.
I don't see this "holding water" at all, as my 1st daughter, her dad was there, every minute of 13 hours, waiting for her to be born. (she has Sun opp the AC)
and HER son, her husband was there at the birth, (physically & emotionally as well), during his birth, and he too has Sun, opposite the AC (like his mother has)
Another thing that others "bandied about", with the Tad Mann style readings, is saying that whenever Pluto or Scorpio, is in the Conception to birth realm of houses, there is a "Loss"........esp., true in the 9th house.....of conception.
and at the AC (Scorpio Rising,), always means a "seperation".
I have a REAL problem with the "ALWAYS MEANS" terminology., as it simply doesn't always fit.
My middle daughter is a Scorpio rising, and her dad was there, physically at birth, and they are very close too, as he is a Scorpio Rising, and they get along great..... (she also has a Trine Sun/Moon connection), so perhaps we need to look or step gingerly, using this method as it doesn't always hold water, as good as some of the readings can be.
I've seen some that are EXCELLENT progosticators of a person's life, but then again, there ARE these exceptions I've noted that don't always fit.
The 8th House is seen as the Just before Conception House and the planets in it, are supposedly giving us "tips" or clues as to the condition of the mother prior to conception in a chart.
Now my oldest daughter (the one I mentioned above, whose own son when born has his Sun opposite the AC as well as she herself does too).........
Her chart (8th House) has Pluto there as well as the Moon, and Uranus.
Prior to his conception then, there was "Seperation" (Pluto), by "unusual means" (Uranus) (her husband was in the Navy on a Submarine )......
and the Moon is the desire for the child I suppose.........but dad WAS present during his birth.,and afterwards on leave.
Perhaps it was her deep and emotionally felt "concern", (a Cancer Sun), that dad wouldn't make it home for the event & even the leave he was given, and this worry shows up in the Sun opposite the AC?? or in the fetal imprint??
Can't say, it may be stretching a point.
this one is the book I have, it is a really worthwhile investment I think and you maybe will run into a used copy if you keep looking:
A New Vision of Astrology:
From Conception to Transcendence
By A T Mann
Pocket Books/Simon & Schuster, 333 pages and 50 illustrations
Four initial postulates created this book: first, the influences in our life come from and manifest through an identifiable cast of characters; second, the events from gestation to birth and the early relationship between our father and mother are an essential foundation of our life; third, the horoscope describes our changing pattern in time as we naturally unfold, develop and change throughout life; and fourth, our biology and psychology are integrated in the total picture of our whole being, linking health, psychology and well-being together.
These issues led the author to reframe astrology itself, resulting in an easy to understand synthesis of astrology with modern developmental psychology, biological time and the Eastern philosophy of karma C a time scale that easily and definitively dates events in your life from conception to old age, based on the ancient perennial philosophy.
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