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I've enjoyed this board, have learned from it, and respect many of the posters here but, as you may recall, soon after I joined I said I would be happy to leave at the pleasure of the managers but didn't want to be censored lest my beliefs be misrepresented. Nevertheless, and in typical "librul" fashion, Blue Eyes has deleted a post of mine and threatened to ban me, rather than just asking me to leave. As a result, I have no option except to stop posting and drop my membership here at Fast Moving Headlines. I wish you well and may you have a Merry Christmas (if it's permissible to mention that holiday) or whatever other seasonal holidays it might be permissible to mention here. I'll create another "old saying" to leave you with: "Remember, the "news" you hear has been edited and reflects the editors' prejudices more than either the reporters' observations or reality, itself.' RLC |
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I apologize for my absence in many ways. As most of you know, I'm an extremely busy person in the real world. My phones never stop ringing. Blue, limit your personal from 'board' feelings about people. Sure, we don't always agree on things, but use your capacity to everyone's benefit. Muzz is not a dangerous or threatening type of person, I've known him for many years now. I ask for either an apology or statement to your position. Muzz is not bad people. He's just Muzz. Nobody should ever expect 'perfection' in an argument, whether right or wrong. Muzz has always been somewhere in the middle, (a little tilted towards to the right), but this has never been a problem to ANYONE I know! I like Muzz, always have. Known him for many years now, and he's quality people in many ways. Nacho! |
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well Xer is no longer here Xer was banned? |
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Well, the thing of it is that Muzz wasn't banned. He quit following the deletion of one of his posts which I didn't see (at least I don't think I saw it and since it isn't there I can't say for sure if I did or not - does that make sense?). |
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Oskar, the message that was deleted was Message #9 in U.S. Descending into Anarchy. Blue explained why she deleted it in Message #11. My guess is that Muz took offense at Message #11. |
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Thanks, Belle. I don't remember anything overly racist so I guess I didn't see the post. |
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I really hate this sort of thing because it is a lose lose situation. If a a post is deleted then there really is nothing left to discuss as WE have nothing but the fallout. Were the post to be left, the manager would then be left to defend either the leaving of the post that pushed the boundaries which would lead to a further push based upon precedence. Or the discussion would centre around the RIGHT course of action and as this would be a democratic step too far for the health of the commmunity as a whole I would judge it to be a bad thing. So how about us discussing principles here rather than particular personalities? |
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Mistakes are made. God knows I've made a few. More than a few. A few today. Point is, unless Muzz went after another member, his post should stand, and he should be here. Even if he went after another member, unless that was habitual, he should have been warned. If it's racist, let that stand and represent racism. Maybe he didn't intend for it to be that way either, and things were read into it, that weren't there. I've done that, and put my dumb, big foot in my mouth. Quick to think, quick to forgive, and slow to speak. Good policy. |
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I'm disturbed that you feel freer to blow someone off just because someone else is no longer a member. Seems to me a lot of issues are coming to light here... jen, first let me say that you have completely misunderstood my reason for mentioning xer and this seems kind of crazy;
There was nothing crazy about my actions.possibly i havent explained it well.
As for Mugg, the posts I recall have been edgy, but when we're asked to rethink it, it's because Muggle is being incredibly sarcastic or tongue in cheek. The post was not tounge and cheek or edgy it was racist, and its not the first time, Even though some dont seem to believe it i can separate edgy or scarcastic from racist.. Blue, limit your personal from 'board' feelings about people personal feelings were not involved with the deletion. What kind of crazy whack job do you think i am anyway. jesus I have to say that i really am disturbed that Rose Jen and Nacho, all seem to be willing to jump all over me, attack attack, without all the details. Fine just assume im biaed and crazy and all inappropriate. And im sure youre right Pikes i must of misinterpreted his post, no way could it have been racist. No reason at all to give me any benefit of the doubt, even though no one seems to have read the post, or ever noticed his other problem posts in the past. If you wish i can solve your problems in one stroke and leave. then you can ask mugg back under his no deletion clause. Or possibly further on board public flogging is in order. Just give a word and im gone. oh and no oskar i didnt ban xer, just to clear that up before im charged with that too. |
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"I have to say that i really am disturbed that Rose Jen and Nacho, all seem to be willing to jump all over me, attack attack, without all the details. Fine just assume im biaed and crazy and all inappropriate" {Blue....I can read that you are upset but in my only reply on this subject {#10} there is nothing that could possibly be construed as criticism or as an attack on you. I don't know what you are reading into it but it's simply not there. All of my few comments were about Muzz and my board. Hoping that he returns here is not an "attack" on you.} |
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oh and no oskar i didnt ban xer, just to clear that up before im charged with that too. I was only asking. |
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My take on this is that a manager has a right to delete a post that she finds racist even if nobody else on the board thinks it's racist. It's her responsibility. How she speaks publicly to the person whose post she deletes is another matter. I don't much like it when a manager blasts a poster on the board for everyone to see. That's been done to me, and I've quit a board because of it -- not because my post was deleted. |
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even though no one seems to have read the post, or ever noticed his other problem posts in the past. I have and found it distasteful. I think I even commented on it on one occasion. |
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What did the post say, Joe? Can you quote or paraphrase it? |
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I want to know this only out of curiosity. Not so that I can second-guess the manager for deleting it. Since she found it racist, it was her right to delete it. On second thought (second-guessing myself), I don't need to know what was in the message. Disregard message #26. |
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Quick to think, quick to forgive, and slow to speak. Good words when you stop to consider them. Blue, you need not thrash yourself over this. You made a judgement and decision for something only you really know, and your action was on behalf of the community. Whether it was the right decision or not, all the community asks is forgiveness for Muzz, which you gave. Done. You are no less either way. It is not an issue to leave over, or suffer a humiliation from a judgement that makes you less a human. You are human, nothing more and nothing less. You showed your humanity. If anyone here wishes to judge and criticize you for it, let that person step forward and commence, with one small condition. He is to be faultness himself, never having made a mistake. Gonna be a long, long wait.... |
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