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From: MSN NicknameEX  (Original Message)Sent: 3/12/2005 3:27 AM
On a Texas ranch, a new web phenomenon called computer-assisted remote hunting is available. A web hunter sits behind a terminal and when game moves into camera a mouse click will fire a remote controlled gun. A California lawmaker is so upset by the issue, she is attempting to implement a law banning it. The law would also make it illegal for a Californian to participate in it, at least for within the state. The National Rifle Association has also expressed concern with the practice.


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sfgate.com
Sacramento -- On a Texas ranch, exotic sheep and antelope roam about, offering paying hunters an opportunity to bag some big game.

But when the prey wanders into view, the gun can be fired by someone half a world away with the simple click of a computer mouse.

A new Web phenomenon called computer-assisted remote hunting has so outraged one California lawmaker that she has introduced legislation to ban it.

With one Texas-based site up and running, lawmakers, animal activists and even gun owners want to put a stop to the practice before it becomes widespread.




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From: JosephineSent: 3/12/2005 7:27 AM
Wow.  You know what's sad? 
 
I'll probably be pelted with rodent carcasses for this, but I am an avid hunter.  Sad, but true.  I love nothing more than eating an elk steak and knowing that I made it myself. 
 
As a hunter, I think this is f*cked up, sick, and wrong.  I bow hunt because I feel it lacks "sport" to use a guided rifle (and I know some of you will tell me that even bow hunting is not sport), but this is an atrocity.  This turns "hunting" into nothing more than a computer game, likening the animals being killed to animated targets on a screen.  No, thanks. 
 
And also, assuming that this can be completed by someone a half a world away, where does the meat go?  The purpose of hunting is to bring home dinner - are we reducing this time - honored tradition to a take out menu?
 
Disgusting.

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From: MSN Nicknamewild_under_scoreSent: 3/12/2005 8:52 AM
Imagine that,,,an issue about which the NRA and I actually agree.

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From: MSN NicknameLovingmom2433Sent: 3/12/2005 1:51 PM
Josie,  You are a hunter??
I dont see anything wrong with hunting as long as people dont just shoot the animals and leave them.
I believe if you are going to hunt animals you should want to eat them.
I know men who hunt for the hell of it, and have no intention of eating the deer's that they kill.
I tell Joe all the time if he can go chicken or pig hunting It would be fine, but I am not eating any deer, lol.
Love Karen

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From: IndigoSent: 3/12/2005 10:52 PM
Hunters & Gatherers are we! Its in the genes I expect--If you eat what you hunt I guess I can live with that--I just wish we could give the animals some guns as well--then you'd have a fairer contest & the makings of a new Reality Show--lol--

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From: JosephineSent: 3/14/2005 3:33 AM
Poor, poor Karen.
 
You don't know what you're missing out on!  Deer and Elk are some of the best eating there it.  Mmmm. .. delecious.  I make elk sausage gumbo, and it is to die for. 
 
 

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From: MSN Nickname©ShaSent: 3/15/2005 7:16 PM

This is an issue that burns me badly.

I can't help but feel there are self-esteem issues going on within the psyche's of those who bloodsport in this fashion. Perhaps if they called it what it really is a 'cruel, unjust and inhumane slaughter' perpetrated on the most inoccent of those we share this planet with I could at least find some comfort (albeit it little), in the knowledge they who do it must absorb the label (something I normally dislike), everytime they choose to participate.

I am not against the hunt when it feeds a people and understand every stance/argument the NRA put's forth and realise they do not support this type of 'bloodsport.' I refuse to call it a hunt...and even think sport on the end of 'blood' lends a definition to the word 'sport' it does not deserve (although it may these days..another time another story).

To hunt in this day and age..super markets filled to capacity with 'meat,' albeit drugged meat..makes little sense. I have trouble seeing the 'sport' of hunting...every argument but the 'hungry' one comes off as false and self-justifying. Where is the 'sport' or satisfaction for that matter in aiming at a creature who cannot see or reach you in time for it to have its 'sport' with you?

Call it what it is....

The acting out of a behavior considered illegal if perpatruated on another human being. So..not only is the act of murder itself unique to the human being..we have made it legal to kill every spieces but our own. Of course there are a few exceptions to the rule..a very few..endangered spieces and capital punishment. Mercy killing is to date still illegal...but it still happens every day in hospitals around the world.

If we fail on our political uncorrectedness (if you ask me), to see that it indeed is just 'murder' then no wonder mass genocide is happening all around us and we do nothing. How far away I ask you until it's at our so far seemingly protected North American doors? How much longer do we pretend it isn't going on?

Then there's the argument of the controlled slaughter of our farm animals..it too is cruel and unforgiving. The hypocracy of calling one down but not the other is not lost on me.

I don't have all the answers I just know shooting an animal from a behind a computer is certainly nuts. Begs the question how much longer before we can shoot at anything or one from the comfort of our own homes.

Sha


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From: IndigoSent: 3/16/2005 1:08 AM
Sha  - I agree with pretty well everything you said--but, I have no use for the NRA nor American's obsession with the "right to bear arms"..That phrase, "the right to bear arms", came about during the very early years of the USA when militias were still essential etc---Americans kill so many of their brothers & sisters with guns--more then any other civilized country by a long shot...Just compare the figures from London, Paris or Berlin compared to New York or Miami--its nuts!! & while I'm at violent behavior, why are you guys the ONLY civilized country that still believes in & carries out executions--is the "Death Penality" such a wonderful deterrant or is it all about revenge---There are more prisons in the USA per person then ANY country on the planet Earth--I don't get it cause you guys have so many brilliant & creative & enlightened people in all areas of expertise--Why is the gap between the rich & poor growing faster & faster--What's going on? Who's in charge & what's their "TRUE" agenda? Its fucking scarey if you think about it for too long--& don't worry America, the rest of the world would probably be acting more or less exactly like you if they were "King of the Castle" instead of you...

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From: MSN Nickname©ShaSent: 3/16/2005 5:44 PM
Howdy Indigo
 
I for sure have reservations about the NRA.  You may want to visit the NRA site to learn about its purpose.  The NRA was established about 130 years ago, battles to preserve the Second Ammendment right for private citizenry to own arms.
Historically, the founders of the Constitution considered the 2nd Amend the most important Amend of the Bill of Rights which includes, freedom of speech and the other stuff. 
 
The purpose of the 2nd Amend is to act as the final line of defense against a despot/dictator that takes power.  This is pretty serious if you ask me. 
 
For instance did you know, one of Hitler's first acts was to make the private ownership of guns illegal.  He knew what he was doing to gain control, like in gun control.  The issue of gun violence in the US comes up as the reason for outlawing guns. In actuality, if the current laws against criminal possession and use of guns were rigorously enforced, then this issue would be cleaned up.  
 
The NRA justifies hunting saying the natural predators have been eliminated due to the encroachment of civilization.  If hunting provides the only source of meat for a people I'm okay with it.  But when it's dopnme for sport only..welll that's where the NRA and I part ways.
 
Sha

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From: IndigoSent: 3/16/2005 7:44 PM
Howdy Doody Sha  -- Thanx for the great info on the 2nd Amendment--- I still think that some Americans are alittle over enthusiastic in their love affair with guns--its not like they can hear gunshots blasting away somewhere down their street--Personally, I'd feel alot safer if every Tom, Dick & Harry weren't able to go pick up a gun whenever they felt like it...Somehow Canada & Europe manage to survive without resorting to guns so casually..But then again, you guys got to protect all the rest of the world so I guess you do need alot of guns (tongue in cheek).....But to be totally honest, even with all my little jabs at the US of A, there's no other country I'd rather be sharing such a huge border with then you guys--I know I wouldn't be sleeping at nights as peacefully as I am if I was sharing a border with Syria or North Korea or Russia or ANY other country--so THANK YOU AMERICA & please, please don't hurt us cause we only have one baseball team & one basketball team & we haven't won the World Series in over 10 years....

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From: MSN Nickname©ShaSent: 3/16/2005 9:51 PM
Oh I agree Indigo..(how ya been keeping btw)? When I was  akid my dad was transfered all over the United States. I remember the first time I saw a shotgun displayed on the back of a pick up truck window I didn't believe it was real. As well the second time we arrived in Dallas (69), my little brother (7 or 8), & friends were playing in an abandoned car they'd happended upon nearby. The police somehow ended up bringing him home. They told my mother we were lucky he wasn't shot. My mum thought he was kidding and asked him what he meant. He said according to Texas law if someone was on or in your property illegally they could shoot you. Mum said surely you don't mean children and he said yes..it didn't matter if it looked as if it was an abandoned car as long as someone held the title on it..it was
illegal to be in it. She asked why it was even parked where kids could get at it in the condition it was in..a trap for kids. He didn't seem to think that mattered very much..when he left he told her just be sure and shoot someone so's they fall into your house or across your property line..not outside of it. Now I'm not sure if what he said was the absolute truth..if it was the end of the 60's or what. A few months later this same group of kids minus by little brother were shot at with salt pellets..one was injured pretty badly.
 
Needless to say after that..this was one of the deciding factors that kept my mother in Canada whenever Dad was transfered. Even at 11 I knew there was a vast difference between what I'd grown up with and what I was seeing in the states.
 
As much as I love the U.S. and I do love her and her people..there was always this sense of urgency..as if each person only had so much immediate space alloted to them. Always felt like someone or soemthing was watching me. Too crowded and too angry..not always but more than here that is for sure. I'm sure it has to do with the 260 million more people they have than we do..those numbers are definitely bound to show up in stressful ways.
 
I remember feeling really comfortable in New Mexico..just loved it there..and of course the New England states are much like home. My dad eventually chose to stay in Texas and take out his American Citizenship..still lives in Dallas to this day.
 
I second Indigo's affection for our neighbours to the south..wouldn't want any other country by our side.
 
Sha
 

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From: MSN Nickname©ShaSent: 4/13/2005 4:31 PM

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Animal rights activists, hunters blast remote-controlled hunting


BY JAY ROOT

Knight Ridder Newspapers

AUSTIN, Texas - (KRT) - Just days before a San Antonio company stages its second remote-control hunt over the Internet, lawmakers heard an earful from outraged Texans who want the Legislature to ban the practice.

Speaking before a legislative panel considering a prohibition on Internet hunting, animal rights activists and hunters alike called the concept cruel, odd and morally wrong.

"This is nothing more than some sort of a sophisticated video game that kills live animals," said Robert Trimble of the Texas Humane Legislation Network, an animal welfare group. "We don't consider this hunting in any fashion. We consider it a despicable practice."

Other groups supporting a ban include the Texas Wildlife Association, the Exotic Wildlife Association and the Humane Society of the United States.

State Rep. Todd Smith, R-Euless, has proposed the measure, House Bill 391, that would prohibit the practice of bagging game over the Internet. He said 14 states have either prohibited it already or are considering one.

"It's very much an Orwellian sort of concept," said Smith. "People are concerned about technology gone wild and its impact upon nature, and the balance of nature."

The proposed bans in Texas and around the nation are being sparked by a single San Antonio-based company called Live-Shot.com that allows anyone with a computer and a modem to target shoot and hunt, live, with real guns operated from a remote location.

Owner John Lockwood, who spoke against the proposed ban, has scheduled his second Internet hunt for this weekend. Dale Hagberg, paralyzed from the neck down and confined to his bed, will attempt to bag a black buck, an exotic species from India. He'll be in Ligonier, Ind., and the buck will be on a ranch in the Texas Hill Country.

Lockwood noted that Hagberg, 38, has already gotten a Texas hunting license. Hoping to allay safety concerns, Lockwood also stressed that he would be on site acting as a guide, able to intervene and stop the rifle from firing if need be.

"Why ban it for somebody who doesn't have the opportunity to be there," Lockwood said. "It's as close as you can get to a hunt on an exotic ranch without actually being there."

One hunting enthusiast rose to speak against the proposed ban. Engineer Allen Hansen of Leander said Internet hunting was not that different from some canned hunts on exotic game ranches, and he told lawmakers a ban could be used as a "stepping stone" for more restrictions.

But there were no apparent takers - Democrat or Republican - on the House Committee on Culture, Recreation and Tourism. Smith said it's the kind of issue that unites both hunters and animal rights groups.

"And there aren't many of those," he said.

Lockwood himself acknowledged that he's fighting an uphill battle: "It looks like a done deal," he said.

The bill was left pending in committee Tuesday but is expected to be voted out and sent to the floor within days.

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© 2005, Fort Worth Star-Telegram.

Visit the Star-Telegram on the World Wide Web at http://www.star-telegram.com.

Distributed by Knight Ridder/Tribune Information Services.

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