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 Message 1 of 10 in Discussion 
From: flapjack  (Original Message)Sent: 9/28/2006 5:37 AM
I still can't stand money, technology, or government. Money is imaginary, technology is in the way, and government/the state, although it does big things badly, also does small things badly too.


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From: GettinthereSent: 9/28/2006 10:43 AM
Hey Flapjack, you need to get yourself a tepee or a wigwam, and hunker down....live off the land, and trade....like wampum I guess it owuld be.
 
I'm guessing you split outta Philly.......I hate this smoking ban.......I want to scream at every person gives me a dirty look as I slowly kill myself on Camel Golds, and get my voice sounding like Bea Arthur on a respirator......what are you looking at.........your CAR or SUV is choking ME.....I don't own a vehicle......ban these gas guzzlers, and let me breathe in my own poison thank you.
 
Technology.....vewwy, vewwwy, scarry........I like the computer though.......hang tough, son.

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From: MSN NicknamebehindlisSent: 9/28/2006 1:54 PM
My Dad used to smoke Camel Golds - he died in a car accident.
 
Have you hear that song - 'I wish I were a punk rocker with flowers in my hair'?
Humankind is the enemy as long as the peaceful stay quiet and the capatalists, and techno;ogically progressice stay dominant. Living under atree is a nice life, but it doesn't undo the damage progress has caused.

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From: flapjackSent: 9/29/2006 6:08 AM
Hey yall, flapj here. No, I'm still in Philly. Gonna try and go to New Orleans for four or five days late November early December. I've often thought of livin' off the land hermit style but there is no land left to go to that isn't owned by someone or more likely some corporation. And I don't have the survival skills necessary. There is "Outward Bound", an intensive couple month crash course in wilderness survival, but it costs alot of money. Yeah, the smoking ban is just retarded. I think the same way gettinthere, just walking outside I breath the exhaust of a milion cars, trucks, and buses. Not to mention any industrial pollution in the air or water. Carcinogens are in some of our foods we purchase from the supermarket, preservatives, trace amounts of pesticides, etc. What the fuck does banning smoking do except piss people off. Computer is kinda fun, but it is a most sophisticated control device, providing government and corporations all the info they'd ever need to find out what makes you tick. I smoke Camel Filters. Health nuts are masochists. Watch a jogger and the twisted grimace they usually have on their face. It doesn't look to me like they are enjoying it at all. Taking life so seriously they kill all purpose to it in general. So you got a flat stomach and white teeth. So the fuck what. Keep on reading 'GQ', or 'Cosmopolitan' asshole and never be yourself and keep on being what they tell you to be. A faceless cog in the machine who looks, acts, works, and likes the same thing everybody else does. YAWN. Yeah, and the damage already done to the ecosystem is practically at the point of no return. If everything stopped right this second it would take centuries for the equilibrium to return to the planet. Forget blackberries and chocolate computer camera phones and rocket ships and satellites, we gotta figure ourselves out from the inside out before anything is going to work out for us. As a species, not too long ago we had a firm grasp on our place within the web of life and a much more intimate and harmonious knowledge of our selves and our environment. It just slowly got lost in the big poulation/progress shuffle. Rome, the Incas, Atlantis, Aztecs, Genghis Kahn, the rise and fall, the law of rhythm, ebb and flow, birth and death. Trying to hang in there yall. Where are the light bearing orders of angels, warriors, humans to help us out of these modern day dark ages? Loveth to alleth, flapjack

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From: MSN NicknamebehindlisSent: 9/29/2006 9:30 AM
I did outward bound - mommy dearest payed for it, it was very very cool. You learn all about yourself, and the people with you from the outside in and back!
Technology tends to be alot like human kind - you can't just keep the bits you like. Why stick to the cities if you feel the polution and  corruption eating at you? You don't have to be a hermit to live in an enviroment you like. If your not going to fight the good fight why not find some quiet community where you can still hear the birds sing and progress doedn't eat away at you.
Use your words and ideals to create a world you like.

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From: MSN NicknameLovingmom2433Sent: 9/29/2006 1:26 PM
Flap,  Throw away the Money, the goverment and Technology and guess what?? we can still survive...
None of it is neccesary for survival..
Im so so fearful for todays youth.
I watch my youngest two kids Jack and Charlotte.
Neither one of them know what to do without some electronic device right in there face.
Be it the computer, the cell phone, the ipod.
Why do they find the need to be so connected???
Have a power shortage and You would think they were DYING, LOL..
God forbid they open something called a book, lol.
 
Remember the rumors you would hear as a kid about Sally or Johnny???
By the end of a week everyone in the middle  school has heard the rumor???
With todays kids half the US can hear the rumor in an hour and a half, LMAO....
 
I have a love hate relationship with the whole thing.
Whats wrong with playing real cards with human beings??
I dont care to play cards with a screen...
 
Take my computer away and I WILL KILL, but thats only to keep in touch
with all of you PEEPS, LOL.....
Without it Flap I would never ever of met you so for that Im grateful,
Have a glorious day, Much Love Karen

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From: flapjackSent: 9/29/2006 4:10 PM
Goodmorning Behindlis and Lovingmom, I thank you both for your kind words of encouragement. Last night I mentioned to my mate that we should consider moving out of the USA. She replied that she is to old to make a move like that. I'm thirty nine and she is forty five, that is not too old for an intercontinental move. Perhaps if we were in our sixties or seventies it might prove to be the case, but even then, if our health were still good we would not be too old or late and that is what I said to her. It'll be on the back burner, but if things get much tighter here I will certainly consider it much more seriously. I must research what it takes to become an ex-patriot/new citizen living elsewhere. Living in the city Behindlis, I forget how much space there is until I'm on the highway for a while and then there is nothing to see but countryside. And you are correct in your assumption that I am not actively involved in fighting the good fight. Occasionally I contact the senators and congressmen through e-mail with my views, always being polite, but I could do more. I would like to live in an environment away from cities, but I fear convincing my mate of ten years will prove to be difficult. Back to fighting the good fight though, I am ignorant of what I should do, since I am ambivalent about the effectiveness of the various independent/anti-establishment organizations working to affect change. I must get my feet wet to find out. I sometimes think of volunteer work helping the young or old to fill my much frittered away 'extra' time, which is usually filled by daydreaming, worrying, occasionally exercising my artistic abilities. I waste alot of time in purposeless inactivity, a great sin against the GREAT ALL, which prefers action to inaction I imagine; forgive my hubris in thinking I could guess at the workings of the divine through anthropomorphising  THE GREAT ALL. To lighten the conversation a bit, today shall be an easy day as far as toiling goes. An hour or so of sanding a door, and putting the finish coat on the cinder block walls in the small back yard of a neighbor. I must get moving soon, the morning is almost over with. Take care yall, and I will try to also, much love, flapjack

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From: MSN NicknameLovingmom2433Sent: 9/29/2006 8:35 PM
Hey Flap,
 
TOO OLD????
NO WAY!!!
I would give anything to pack it all up and move to a carribean island.
I dont care which one , I love them all.
I'm dead serious TOO...
Its not possible for My husband and I because of our kids.
Its not realistic to move where there is NO education and No opportunities for them BUT I know as soon as they are settled with there own lives Im out of here.
I want to spend the rest of my life living really simple.
To enjoy the small things in life.
To get rid of the bullshit problems that material worth brings.
 
I think you would do someone such a great service if you did volunteer work.
Why dont you volunteer to paint for Habitat for humanity??
My husband is an electrician by trade and he did a whole block of Habitat houses last summer.
He  got the opportunity to meet the families and he said they were SO grateful to recieve there homes.
He even got to Meet with Jimmy Carter at the closing celebration the night before the families all moved in there houses.
It was the first time He had ever volunteered himself and He loved it.
Much Love Karen
 
 

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From: MSN NicknamebehindlisSent: 9/30/2006 5:16 AM
I like working with kids. I've done a fair bit of teaching and supervising, and I find it so amusing they look to me for answers coz all I do is ask questions, or tell them to do what they think they should. After all, you never know if you don't try.
It's all to hide my utter cluelessnes!!!
 
I used to study politics, History and Anthropology, all subjects I love, and I used to get emotionally involved as you do, and it just about tore me apart. I think us sensitive types need to be careful in which area's we dabble coz looking at 'the big pic' can be very self destructive.
I take care of my little patch now.
I watch, and listen to what goes on in the world but don't allow myself to get emotionally involved, coz I'm not willing to get involved Knowledge and power are my enemy so I just love where I can!
I don't envy anyone who lives in a big (or even little) city. I can't handle the noise, you can't hear the birds. At any time of day - except in the really hot heat of summer, I can hear more birds than any other noise.
It's peace.
I have to go now, the AFL (footy) Grand Final is on, all the politics and exercise I need!!!!

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From: MSN NicknamebehindlisSent: 9/30/2006 5:20 AM
You missed my point to the song ref.
"77 - 69, revolution was in the air"
I don't know if its me, but the world seems to have evolved into a less exciting place. It's kinda like we think we know everything, and now all we have to do is do it. If we want.
Too much choice, no desire.
Or something!

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