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From: MSN NicknameLourip14  (Original Message)Sent: 2/7/2008 3:25 AM
I heard a New Voice.
Jan 31/08
By Luis Zamora

Elections come and go �?and people stand in line to vote for Tom Dick and Harry; not knowing that no matter who is elected the changes that the candidates spout and the things that they promise to do for Americans will never bear fruit and yet we do this time and time again, we are manipulated to hear the words, of corrupted candidates, who have been bought by the lobbyists in the whore house of congress. Who play to the interest of corporations establishments and the miliary complex.

We have men and woman running for president one with yeas of experiences walking in the halls of the white house gaining vest experiences on how too win the will of the people to get elected, knowing full well that once in office, noting that they promise will ever come about we have seen this time and time again �?yes they say the right words, they say what we want to hear and they know what we want to hear cause we told them so

Once in great while a fresh voice comes out of the darkness, saying that we need changes in America, changes that are long over due �?need to disinfect the feces that have stain the floors of the white house - we need to change the mind sets �?that sent our troops to fight illegal wars with lies that killed hundreds of thousands and about 4000 of our own troops and all for the greed and power hunger of the corporations and the few on top of the latter who have sold the soul of America to the highest bidder. Americans see this and know that is happening and we stand with our fingers up where the suns don’t shine and say, “all is well.�?BR>The Swift boaters of the GOP will make this fresh voice disappear into the sunset should he become the nominee to run for the Democrats, come Nov.

We see a candidate who plays his time as POW for people to feel sorry for him �?I call this sorry card –this man is for all intents and purpose is a war monger, who will send this country to hell with another war in the middle East that being Iran, This man has the same mind set �?as our current president, who has done more damage to this country and world wide, that will take decades to repair.

America I see hard times ahead for every one of us, all I can say �?that we got what we asked for and now we have to learn to live with it.

As I see it thru the eyes of an old man.
Luis




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From: MSN NicknameInclinedNickelSent: 2/9/2008 1:43 AM
McCain will deliver on his campaign promises.  He has been virtually the only opposition voice in the Republican party to Bush policies for over eight years.  Where was Ron Paul quietly spending his days during that time?  Paul talked a good line when he decided to campaign for the presidency, and he has a good record that demonstrates his Libertarian perspective.  Perhaps he just never captured the media's interest and that's why I never heard of him before; it's all the media's fault. 
 
When you're elected to serve in public office, it doesn't mean you are capable or intelligent, and before you're elected you may have some doubts.  Unfortunately, once elected there's a transformation from doubt to certainty that you are capable, that you are intelligent:  otherwise you would not have been elected.  And so, the incapable and ignorant serve in public office oblivious of their difficiences, confident that they know what they are doing.  Their critics among the people are wrong. 
 
 
In the main though, I consider this old guy's attitude in the opening post,
wrong headed.
I laughed out loud once about it though:   Going up the steps to the
council chamber for our weekly meeting, a citizen confronted me with,
"What the hell kind of elected official are you?  Doing exactly what you
said you would?"   At a time when I thought no one had noticed, and I
was under attack from everyone in position, it was just the kind of laugh
I needed. 

Too often, people think that they have no influence, when in fact they
have enormous influence on elected and appointed people.   Of course,
the elected and appointed would never give them the satisfaction of
knowing that they have any influence.  They'd be in there all the time,
making adjustments, were that the case.  One can only imagine how
annoying that would be.
Rambling a bit further:
I once attended a FEMA course designed for elected officials. 
Unfortunately for me, most of the people attending were not elected at
all, they were members of staff.  So, I also became informed by the
attitudes of staff in emergency situations.  In answer to the question
What's the first thing you do in an emergency:  "Shoot the council
members."  The room erupted in laughter---and agreement.  Apparently,
ignorant council members feel the need to be in the midst of an
emergency, and all they do is get in the way.
Being elected, sandwiches you between professional staff and their
agenda, and the public and their agenda.  Seems fine on the surface, but
actually it's not that easy to get anything you want done without
political consequences.   You are in charge, but not really.  Failing to
rubber stamp staff recommendations, failing to go along to get along
with other council members, has consequences--not always pleasant. 
The public loves you, but they stay home.  They abandon you.  They did
their part when they elected you.  You are alone.  You'd better have the
ducks in a row.  You'd better dot your i's and cross your t's and you'd
better have extremely thick skin.  Your research had better be
impeccably thorough. Your delivery had better speak to the citizens
where they live, and to what they know, and ring astonishly true. 
Otherwise, you'll spend your term in office almost getting things
accomplished.

If you accomplish any significant changes, don't even think about getting
re-elected.  That won't happen:  You're a troublemaker.  Everyone
serving with you and all of the staff will quietly make that clear to the
electorate.
 
That's my experiece.
In my case, they had to tell lies, and that amuses me: I must have done pretty well, if they couldn't use the truth against me.
 

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From: MSN Nicknamepuma2371Sent: 2/9/2008 4:33 PM
nickel,
 
could you make a bridge? tell us exactly who's perspective the "insider" view of politics is coming from? is it you? is it mccain? is it generic? sorry, but you forgot the premissary introduction there.