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I've come under significant criticism - recently being branded as "nothing more than a conspiracy theorist nutjob" for stating my opinion that Barack Obama reminds me of David Duke. He has not been forthcoming with regard to his ideological associations - such as his "Afrocentered" church. It states "Trinity United Church of Christ adopted the Black Value System, written by the Manford Byrd Recognition Committee, chaired by the late Vallmer Jordan in 1981." They haven't adopted a "Universal Value System" - they adopted a "Black Value System". Think about this - what would you think of a church that published the following document listing their ideals? Prayerfully, we have called upon the wisdom of all past generations of suffering Whites for guidance in fashioning an instrument of White self-determination, the White Value System. These White Ethics must be taught and exemplified in homes, churches, nurseries and schools, wherever Whites are gathered. They consist of the following concepts: - Commitment to God
. "The God of our weary years" will give us the strength to give up prayerful passivism and become White Christian Activists, soldiers for White freedom and the dignity of all humankind. - Commitment to the White Community.
The highest level of achievement for any White person must be a contribution of strength and continuity of the White Community. - Commitment to the White Family
. The White family circle must generate strength, stability and love, despite the uncertainty of externals, because these characteristics are required if the developing person is to withstand warping by our racist competitive society.
Those Whites who are blessed with membership in a strong family unit must reach out and expand that blessing to the less fortunate. - Dedication to the Pursuit of Education.
We must forswear anti-intellectualism. Continued survival demands that each White person be developed to the utmost of his/her mental potential despite the inadequacies of the formal education process. "Real education" fosters understanding of ourselves as well as every aspect of our environment. Also, it develops within us the ability to fashion concepts and tools for better utilization of our resources, and more effective solutions to our problems. Since the majority of Whites have been denied such learning, White Education must include elements that produce high school graduates with marketable skills, a trade or qualifications for apprenticeships, or proper preparation for college.
Basic education for all Whites should include Mathematics, Science, Logic, General Semantics, Participative Politics, Economics and Finance, and the Care and Nurture of White minds. - Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
. To the extent that we individually reach for, even strain for excellence, we increase, geometrically, the value and resourcefulness of the White Community. We must recognize the relativity of one’s best; this year’s best can be bettered next year. Such is the language of growth and development. We must seek to excel in every endeavor. - Adherence to the White Work Ethic
. "It is becoming harder to find qualified people to work in Chicago." Whether this is true or not, it represents one of the many reasons given by businesses and industries for deserting the Chicago area. We must realize that a location with good facilities, adequate transportation and a reputation for producing skilled workers will attract industry. We are in competition with other cities, states and nations for jobs. High productivity must be a goal of the White workforce. - Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
. To accomplish anything worthwhile requires self-discipline. We must be a community of self-disciplined persons if we are to actualize and utilize our own human resources, instead of perpetually submitting to exploitation by others. Self-discipline, coupled with a respect for self, will enable each of us to be an instrument of White Progress and a model for White Youth. - Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness."
Classic methodology on control of captives teaches that captors must be able to identify the "talented tenth" of those subjugated, especially those who show promise of providing the kind of leadership that might threaten the captor’s control.
Those so identified are separated from the rest of the people by: - Killing them off directly, and/or fostering a social system that encourages them to kill off one another.
- Placing them in concentration camps, and/or structuring an economic environment that induces captive youth to fill the jails and prisons.
- Seducing them into a socioeconomic class system which, while training them to earn more dollars, hypnotizes them into believing they are better than others and teaches them to think in terms of "we" and "they" instead of "us."
- So, while it is permissible to chase "middleclassness" with all our might, we must avoid the third separation method �?the psychological entrapment of White "middleclassness." If we avoid this snare, we will also diminish our "voluntary" contributions to methods A and B. And more importantly, White people no longer will be deprived of their birthright: the leadership, resourcefulness and example of their own talented persons.
- Pledge to Make the Fruits of All Developing and Acquired Skills Available to the White Community
. - Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting White Institutions
. - Pledge Allegiance to All White Leadership Who Espouse and Embrace the White Value System.
- Personal Commitment to Embracement of the White Value System
. To measure the worth and validity of all activity in terms of positive contributions to the general welfare of the White Community and the Advancement of White People towards freedom. What opinion would all of you hold of a White church, that had as a foundation principle the acceptance of a White Value System? I took the Black Value System verbatim, and substituted "White" in every case where Black was used in the document. "... 8. Sen. Obama, the church you attend, according to its Web site, pursues an Afrocentric agenda. Your church rejects, as part of their "Black Value System," "middleclassness" as "classic methodology" of white "captors" to "control �?subjugated" black "captives." Your pastor, Jeremiah Wright, recently called the Nation of Islam's Minister Louis Farrakhan �?a man many consider anti-Semitic �?a person of "integrity and honesty." What would happen to a Republican candidate who attended a Caucasian-centric church, and who praised David Duke as a man of "integrity and honesty"? " I would like to know why this double standard exists. It doesn't really matter to me who I will be voting for - I'll be voting for the LP candidate for President regardless what the major party tickets are. It just bothers me that Obama is not confronted on this issue. |
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Hey I think as soon as someone invokes the name David Duke into the conversation the reader stops right there and then lets their emotions take over. I understand what you were trying to get across but then again I didn't let my emotions take over. Obama has not earned the scorn that Duke has so far, but I fell that given time he will, and basiclly for the same reasons. I'm afraid that the Republicans/Bush screwed the pooch so bad the last eight years that we are in for a big dose of Obama or Omama. Bob |
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Actually, I think McCain beats Obama. Obama is immune to the traditional weapons of the Clintons. He's not immune to the political tactics typically used by Republicans. In any case, as an uninvolved bystander it will be interesting to watch. |
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Can you say Swift-Boat Hillary is expected to play nice there will be no such expectations from republicans. Actually I don't care which one of the three wins, it's going to be bad for the country. Bob Ok let's practice a little, I TOLD YOU SO, there that should do it. |
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Uninvolved bystander? Are you leaving the country? Otherwise, you are involved. Your task, just like the rest of us, is to decide the lesser of three evils, and then the lesser of two. Buyer remorse is a sure thing, no matter which of the current candidates becomes the next President. I TOLD YOU SO. won't do! One thing that clicked for me about the comparison to David Duke was the appeal that monster had during his campaign, no doubt the result of handlers. They all have handlers who make it their business to know what we want to hear and how we want to hear it said. Makes it tough for those who don't follow political careers. The poster who made the "nutjob" accusation and the others who agreed, enjoy invective more than debate. I dismiss most of what they say. They seem, as many others do, already under Obama's spell. People choose what they believe, and sometimes it's despite a preponderance of evidence to the contrary. What they know doesn't even matter if they want to believe him. People might be more concerned if they knew where he was getting money for his campaign. Then again, they are just as apt to ignore it, based on their "belief" that he is incorruptible. Poor things. They may find themselves in as difficult a recovery as Bush supporters are now. He will blame the people for everything bad that happens and every good endeavor that fails. He is like Carter in that, the kind of President who says we can only do this if you do everything in your power.. .. I am not responsible. Clinton, at least, believes we should not have to fight for every single thing that we have a right to expect of our leaders. She holds leaders responsible. After all, they are in position. Most of us are not. Since Warren Buffet came out in support of her, I've been wondering if maybe she would be good for the country. She is a world leader. Obama is a senator, with only four years behind him: World leaders will toy with him as they did Kennedy and we'll find ourselves on the brink of annihilation once again. World leaders will not fool around with McCain. He would bring balance to the government, so that we don't have both the White House and the Congress controlled by a single party. Many Republicans don't like him, so he can be the moderate, unify the country kind of president which is what most of our successful presidents have done, greatly upsetting their party affiliations. His party very likely won't be responsible for his election. I don't disagree with him on as many issues, blah, blah, blah. He's had my vote for a long time. If he chose Ron Paul as his vice president ..... |
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'The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.' -Bertrand Russell
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Here's an example of Obama blaming others: Obama Says U.S. Economic Woes Stem From Failures in Washington By Indira Lakshmanan and Kristin Jensen Feb. 13 (Bloomberg) -- Barack Obama blamed the nation's economic woes on a ``failure of leadership and imagination in Washington,'' and went on the attack against Democratic rival Hillary Clinton and likely Republican nominee John McCain.
RfMA&refer=home Excuse me, wasn't he the senator from Illinois for the last 4 years? |
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Uninvolved bystander? Are you leaving the country? Otherwise, you are involved. IN Yes, uninvolved. No, not leaving country - just voting for the Libertarian Party candidate - as I have done for two decades. Your task, just like the rest of us, is to decide the lesser of three evils, and then the lesser of two. Buyer remorse is a sure thing, no matter which of the current candidates becomes the next President. IN I really couldn't care less which of the three major party candidates wins. In my opinion, the differences between them aren't worth worrying about. |
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Obama at least claims to have a plan to get out of Iraq. That's a substantial difference in my view, perhaps because I have a 17 year old son.
>From: "Libertarian the Answer" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: "Libertarian the Answer" <[email protected]> >To: "Libertarian the Answer" <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: Obama reminds me of David Duke ... >Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 20:04:22 -0800 > >----------------------------------------------------------- > >New Message on Libertarian the Answer > >----------------------------------------------------------- >From: Hayekian >Message 8 in Discussion > >Uninvolved bystander? Are you leaving the country? Otherwise, you are >involved. IN Yes, uninvolved. No, not leaving country - just voting for >the Libertarian Party candidate - as I have done for two decades. Your >task, just like the rest of us, is to decide the lesser of three evils, and >then the lesser of two. Buyer remorse is a sure thing, no matter which of >the current candidates becomes the next President. IN I really couldn't >care less which of the three major party candidates wins. In my opinion, >the differences between them aren't worth worrying about. > >----------------------------------------------------------- > >To stop getting this e-mail, or change how often it arrives, go to your >E-mail Settings. >http://groups.msn.com/LibertariantheAnswer/_emailsettings.msnw > >Need help? If you've forgotten your password, please go to Passport Member >Services. >http://groups.msn.com/_passportredir.msnw?ppmprop=help > >For other questions or feedback, go to our Contact Us page. >http://groups.msn.com/contact > >If you do not want to receive future e-mail from this MSN group, or if you >received this message by mistake, please click the "Remove" link below. On >the pre-addressed e-mail message that opens, simply click "Send". Your >e-mail address will be deleted from this group's mailing list. >mailto:[email protected]
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Isn't that what you said in the last two presidential elections when your Libertarian failed to get the nomination? I believe the environmental Gore would have done better than the exploitive Bush has with the nation's finances. Gore was the reinventing government vp behind Clinton. Just going to skip the Kerry bid, but he would have be better than Bush, and you didn't care. Here, play with some numbers: For Immediate Release Contact: Michael Malbin or Steve Weissman 2/1/2008 (202) 969-8890 CFI Analysis of FEC Reports through Dec. 31 Newly Released 2007 Reports Give Clues to Candidates' Financial Strengths and Vulnerabilities Going into Super Tuesday
Maybe you can make some distinctions, and begin to care, again. I may regret that if you come out against McCain, but he gives me pause, same as all candidates. Does who finances the candidates matter? |
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IN - Let's see ... In 2004 George W. Bush defeated Kerry 1,102,169 to 820,299 in Louisiana. In 2000 George W. Bush defeated Gore 927,871 to 792,344 in Louisiana. Precisely how did my L.P. vote in any way change the outcome of either election? I'll continue to vote for the LP candidate as that party's positions most closely align with my personal ideology. |
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In no way, it seems. And yet, I find you influential, and that influence goes beyond Louisiana. Since you see no differences between the candidates, one of which is likely to actually win: Perhaps this will help you distinguish them since it has to do with economics: Partisan Economics: Democrats, Republicans Have Fundamentally Different Perceptions of the Economy Saturday, February 16, 2008 The economy has emerged as a top voting issue for Election 2008, but that broad topic means different things to different people. An earlier survey found that most Democrats believe that reducing the income gap between rich and poor is more important than creating economic growth. Most Republicans have the opposite view. ...and what's your libertarian view of the income gap? |
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I do. Seems to me that steps on a ladder are easier to climb when the spacing is more or less equal. I liked the feeling of prosperity after WWII wrought by the middle class, created by the education and housing benefits of its veterans. Not everyone wants or needs to even climb the ladder, but somehow it's reassuring that they could. The dramatically rich few are historically overwhelmed by the dramatically poor masses. Prefer that not happen, so the void in the middle concerns me. |
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