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From: MSN Nicknamelourip140  (Original Message)Sent: 6/20/2008 1:30 AM
45 nuke plants and drilling
For oil.
June 20/08
By Luis Zamora.

McSame and Bush are lying again and pulling the wool over Americans eyes, 45 new Nuke Plants and drilling for oil every where --they telling Americans that is the way to bring the price of gas down-�?what a freaking joke
First of all we don’t have enough drilling rigs to drill for new wells in the Golf of Mexico and if get more oil-- we don’t have the refiners to make the gasoline and the ones we have are in need of repair—Bush and McSame is selling Americans a bill of goods as big as or bigger than the IRAQ war which we are stuck with for a god knows how long
And where are we going to the funds to do this digging and drilling and building 45 nukes plants �?when Iraq is costing us 12 billions a month for decades to come

And if we were to start today to do what Bush McSame wants to do it would take 20 or more years to see any results �?mean while we would be stuck with $ 10 .00 for a gallon of gas.
Cheney and the oil Companies will be dancing In the streets they would rip off once again the Americans across this land and the oil tycoons would be laughing all the ways to the bank if they would be giving the green light to go adigging.
The way to go is the alternate Fuels, -electric and- wind Etc.
McSame is about 30 years too late on this subject of Nuke plants and drilling, while Bush doesn’t have the brain to think of all this--- someone from the oil companies shoved all this into his flawed mind about drilling and nuke plants.

American there is a big bill of carp coming. Your way are you going to But It?

As I see it thru the eyes of an old man.
Luis



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From: MSN NicknameBadBobTxSent: 6/24/2008 8:24 PM
Last night on Kudlow and company there was a very good discussion on this subject. Here is the transcript of the interview of James Hackett CEO of Anadarko Petroleum which was done on the show.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/25351487
 
Bob

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From: MSN NicknameDann1776Sent: 6/27/2008 6:26 PM
 
OK - I watched it - no new - news there was there?
 
Why did we waste our time watching that.  Did you find it news worthy - really?
 
Kudlo is OK, but completely predictable.  You really do not even need to watch him more than a few times to know what he will say on any given topic.

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From: MSN NicknameBadBobTxSent: 6/27/2008 9:09 PM

If you don’t find it interesting fine, no sweat off my back.


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From: MSN NicknameBadBobTxSent: 6/27/2008 9:10 PM
It wasn't important what Kudlow was saying the guest was the one that I found interesting.

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From: codifySent: 6/28/2008 1:04 AM
Well! I don't like the MSN butterfly! 

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From: MSN NicknameBadBobTxSent: 6/28/2008 1:12 AM
Ok we'll see if we can find you another one, ok.

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From: MSN NicknameDann1776Sent: 7/9/2008 7:34 PM
Bob, all I was saying was the entire content was PUB fluff.  We need more oil so that we can use it up so that we will need more oil so that we can use it up.
 
Was this really anything different than a stupid anti Crack Comercial, except these guys wanted you to keep buying crack, so that they could sell you more.  You need to work more so that you can buy more to stay awake so that you can work more.
 
Until the world moves to other energy forms for heat and travel it is just going to be more addiction and the PUBs are our dealers aren't they.

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From: MSN NicknameBadBobTxSent: 7/9/2008 9:28 PM
I agree that we need to move to alternitive engery but in the mean time we are stuck with fossil fuels. I do think that unlike the 70s when as soon as there was enough oil for everyone we went right back to our old ways this time I hope we have learned the lesson, well at least I can hope.
Bob

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From: MSN NicknameInclinedNickelSent: 7/10/2008 9:44 PM
Nuclear power plants are clean and less expensive to deliver, but they have an ugly side effect:  toxic wastes with 1,000 year life spans that must be stored in secure fascilities at tax payer expense.  If the total cost were considered, it wouldn't pencil out so well. 
 
 
INEEL is working on a solar film that has incredible potential but it needs to be safely harnessed before being made widely available.
 
Solar tiles and paint are available and street legal solar golf carts to get you around.  Consumers don't need the government to shift away from an oil based economy.  On the news the other night a women with a solar roof showed her electric bill drop from 300+ to $14 in the same month a year later.  She said that she saved $1,000 a year and the system would be paying for itself soon.  However, she said the system cost $50,000 ---fifty years is not soon.  The up front costs of solar have always been prohibitive.   If she installed in back in the 80's;  that tech works but is really cumbersome, maybe it is soon, for her.
 
 
 

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From: codifySent: 7/11/2008 3:27 AM
IN....
 
I agree with letting private markets work their magic.  (surprise!)
 
PV's I don't believe will ever be able to power washer machines, ovens, ac, and other heavy users. That'll have to come from some other source.
 
PV is good for lights and most electronic devices. Although the output of inverters is now close to a sine wave, it isn't perfect. So things like turntables and other speed sensitive stuff gets messed up.

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From: codifySent: 7/11/2008 5:49 AM
I guess I was wrong they do have true sine wave inverters.  doh!
 

Advantages of Pure Sine Wave inverters over modified sine wave inverters:

a) Output voltage wave form is pure sine wave with very low harmonic distortion and clean power like utility-supplied electricity.

b) Inductive loads like microwave ovens and motors run faster, quieter and cooler.

c) Reduces audible and electrical noise in fans, fluorescent lights, audio amplifiers, TV, Game consoles, Fax, and answering machines.

d) Prevents crashes in computers, weird print out, and glitches and noise in monitors.

e) Reliably powers the following devices that will normally not work with modified sine wave inverters:

  • Laser printers, photocopiers, magneto-optical hard drives
  • Certain laptop computers (you should check with your manufacturer)
  • Some fluorescent lights with electronic ballasts
  • Power tools employing "solid state" power or variable speed control
  • Some battery chargers for cordless tools
  • Some new furnaces and pellet stoves with microprocessor control
  • Digital clocks with radios
  • Sewing machines with speed/microprocessor control
  • X-10 home automation system
  • Medical equipment such as oxygen concentrators

We carry a full line of Pure Sine Wave Inverters here at DonRowe.com, though most of the inverters we carry are Modified Sine Wave inverters. Modified Sine Wave works well for most uses, and is the most common type of inverter on the market, as well as the most economical. Pure Sine Wave inverters (also called True Sine Wave) are more suited for sensitive electrical or electronic items such as laptop computers, stereos, laser printers, certain specialized applications such as medical equipment, a pellet stove with an internal computer, digital clocks, bread makers with multi-stage timers, and variable speed or rechargeable tools (see "Appliance Cautions" below). If you wish to use those items with an inverter, then choose a Pure Sine Wave inverter. If you mostly want to run lights, TV, microwave oven, tools, etc, a Modified Sine Wave inverter is fine for your needs.


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From: MSN NicknameDann1776Sent: 7/11/2008 7:14 PM
 
InclinedNickel WROTE:
Nuclear power plants are clean and less expensive to deliver, but they have an ugly side effect:  toxic wastes with 1,000 year life spans that must be stored in secure fascilities at tax payer expense.  If the total cost were considered, it wouldn't pencil out so well. 
 
 

Can we take these fuel rods that contain all this Plutonium, separate out the Plutonium and whatever Uranium was not used, and make more fuel rods? You bet. In fact, we actually end up with more fuel after the process than what we started with. Why is this not being done?

Can we do the same thing to produce nuclear fuel? The answer is a resounding Yes!

This type of reactor, called a Breeder Reactor, actually produces more fuel than it consumes. A reactor designed to use a mixed Plutonium fuel is basically the same as the Uranium reactor we have already discussed. However, the neutrons that sustain the reaction contain more energy - they are commonly known as "fast" neutrons.

In order to regulate the internal neutron flux, the primary coolant typically is one of the light metals like Sodium. Since Uranium-238 is one of the more abundant elements in the Earth's crust, Breeder Reactors make it possible to have an essentially unlimited source of fuel for nuclear reactors - which means an unlimited supply of electricity.

At its best, the Breeder Reactor system produces no nuclear waste whatever - literally everything eventually gets used. In the real world, there actually may be some residual material that could be considered waste, but its half-life - the period of time it takes for half the radioactivity to dissipate - is on the order of thirty to forty years. By contrast, the half-life for the stuff we presently consider nuclear waste is over 25,000 years!

Imagine a transformed energy landscape, where there is no nuclear waste problem, no power shortages, a safe and inexhaustible supply of inexpensive electricity. France has constructed and used Breeder Reactors like this for many years. So have the British and the Japanese. So why not the United States?

 

THE WHOLE ARTICLE IS WORTH READING REALLY...


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From: MSN NicknameInclinedNickelSent: 7/18/2008 1:53 AM
Rugged individualism.
 
No matter the nuclear system setup, you are on a grid.  Grids are risky.  Consumers willing to pay more will force you to conservation programs like the grid system in California did to their customers.  Terrorists, looking to take out power in a region for its disruptive value. 
 
The new tech solar roofs can supply the household needs, maybe even the needs of your car, if it doesn't have a solar roof.  So why bother with nuclear plants and grid systems and all the risks that they represent for abusing customers, taking over territory.  
 
 
No dinosaurs in my future.  LOL 
 
 

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From: KAHNSent: 9/13/2008 6:35 PM

DANN:  YOU WROTE:

<<<Why are we not utilizing Hydrogen to heat with, let alone drive with.  And if can charge our automobiles up with a little gas engine, why can't those same cars be used to electrify our homes when the power is out.>>>

Well Dann probably because to heat with Hydrogen would cost $1 dollar/kwa and coal is a little over 3 cents/kwa.

But forget that little problem, where are you going to get this Hydrogen you want to powere yoiur car and heat your home with?

<<<Plus there are many new ways to make energy that most people are unaware to date that need to be explored.>>>

Outside of fossil fuels there is only one viable source of energy, that is nuclear, if you use fast breeder liquid metal reactors, you not only clean up the hazardous radioactive waste we now have, you also get 20% more fuel out than is burned.

The only thing you can do with wind power would be to generate Hydrogen through electrolysis.

It’s simple not a reliable source of energy.

Photo voltaic is to expensive and only works in the day time.

KAHN


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