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Message 1 of 15 in Discussion

From:

Director_Irdoz (Original Message)

Sent: 2/7/2003 9:49 PM

This is a quiz some will have already seen. It follows a request on the main board for a discussion of what's forcing or not frocing. After the quiz I might (try) and better define when bids are forcing or not.

OK - playing a really basic sayc card (no opps bidding) - is the last bid forcing?

No 1. 1

- 1

- 3

No 2. 1

- 1

- 1nt - 2

No 3. 1

- 1

- 2

- 3

No 4. 1

- 1

No 5. 1

- 1

- 2

No 6. 1

- 1

- 2

No 7. 1

- 1

- 2

No 8. 1

- 1

- 2

- 3

No 9. 1

- 1

- 3

No 10. 1

- 1

- 1nt - 2

No 11. 1

- 1

- 2nt - 3

No 12. 3

- 3

No 13. 1

- 1

- 2

- 3

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Message 2 of 15 in Discussion

Sent: 2/8/2003 12:56 AM

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Message 3 of 15 in Discussion

From: parbirdeye

Sent: 2/8/2003 1:19 AM

i'll be brave and try...

No 1. 1

- 1

- 3

not forcing, is invitational

No 2. 1

- 1

- 1nt - 2

not forcing, partner limited his hand with 1nt

No 3. 1

- 1

- 2

- 3

not forcing, invitational

No 4. 1

- 1

forcing, still at 1 level

No 5. 1

- 1

- 2

forcing

No 6. 1

- 1

- 2

forcing, a reverse

No 7. 1

- 1

- 2

forcing, new suit bid by an unpassed hand or 4th suit forcing

No 8. 1

- 1

- 2

- 3

not forcing

No 9. 1

- 1

- 3

forcing, high level reverse

No 10. 1

- 1

- 1nt - 2

forcing, reverse by responder

No 11. 1

- 1

- 2nt - 3

not forcing

No 12. 3

- 3

forcing, new suit by unpassed hand

No 13. 1

- 1

- 2

- 3

not forcing

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Message 4 of 15 in Discussion

From: Darla2

Sent: 2/8/2003 6:25 PM

I usually am too shy to respond to these quizes but i always look at them and learn lots and do not want to see them disappear from lack of responses...so here goes...

OK - playing a really basic sayc card (no opps bidding) - is the last bid forcing?

No 1. 1

- 1

- 3

No 2. 1

- 1

- 1nt - 2

No 3. 1

- 1

- 2

- 3

No 4. 1

- 1

yes

No 5. 1

- 1

- 2

yes

No 6. 1

- 1

- 2

yes

No 7. 1

- 1

- 2

yes

No 8. 1

- 1

- 2

- 3

No 9. 1

- 1

- 3

yes

No 10. 1

- 1

- 1nt - 2

yes

No 11. 1

- 1

- 2nt - 3

No 12. 3

- 3

yes

No 13. 1

- 1

- 2

- 3

yes

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Message 5 of 15 in Discussion

From: IanD

Sent: 2/10/2003 3:20 AM

I'll be interested in Ross' answer to a few of these:

1 for example. I suggested some time ago that (at least as most commonly played) a difference between basic SAYC and full SAYC was that in basic, secondary jumps by responder are forcing, whereas they are invitational in full SAYC or 2/1. Both solvers so far are in the NF camp though.... 3 is a similar problem.

4 has been discussed here so many times...I think I know Ross' answer and Lorne for one will disagree.

11 also. Both have said NF so far...we'll see.

And 13. Our solvers disagree here. I have heard some experts argue for NF here but I am not persuaded--to me this is absolutely forcing.

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Message 6 of 15 in Discussion

From: JoAnneM

Sent: 2/10/2003 4:50 AM

1. 1

- 1

- 3

yes

No 2. 1

- 1

- 1nt - 2

No 3. 1

- 1

- 2

- 3

yes

No 4. 1

- 1

yes

No 5. 1

- 1

- 2

yes

No 6. 1

- 1

- 2

yes

No 7. 1

- 1

- 2

yes

No 8. 1

- 1

- 2

- 3

No 9. 1

- 1

- 3

yes

No 10. 1

- 1

- 1nt - 2

yes

No 11. 1

- 1

- 2nt - 3

No 12. 3

- 3

yes

No 13. 1

- 1

- 2

- 3

yes

This is a good quiz for those who don't believe in reverses.

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Sent: 2/13/2003 12:39 AM

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Sent: 2/13/2003 12:50 AM

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Message 9 of 15 in Discussion

From:

PriorKnowledge

Sent: 2/13/2003 1:10 AM

1. 1C �?1H �?1S - 3H NF �?Responder 3-level bids after 1/1 are invitational
2. 1C �?1S - 1nt �?2H NF �?responder new suit not forcing after 1N rebid
3. 1H �?1S �?2D - 3H NF �?invitational
4. 1C �?1D �?1H Std NF (but make every effort to bid again)/ Play with Lorne - Forcing
5. 1C �?1S �?2D 1 rd force �?opener reverse
6. 1C �?1D �?2S Game force �?opener jump shift
7. 1H �?1S - 2C - 2D 1 rd force �?responder new suit
8. 1C �?1H - 2C - 3C NF - invitational
9. 1D �?1H - 3C Game Force �?opener jump shift
10. 1C �?1H - 1nt �?2S 1 rd force �?responder reverse after 1N rebid
11. 1D �?1H - 2nt �?3D Game force �?any bid after 2N rebid is GF
12. 3C �?3H 1 rd force �?non-game new suit over preempt is forcing
13. 1D �?1S �?2S - 3D 1 rd force �?invitational+. After a major suit agreement, any additional non-game bid is at least invitational. 2N and 3S are non-forcing invitational.
I’d like to point out one more
14. 1C �?1S �?2C �?4C GF. Jumps to 4 of minor are forcing. 3C is invitational.

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Message 10 of 15 in Discussion

From:

IRDOZ

Sent: 2/13/2003 7:37 AM

I'll do detailed answers in a couple of days...sorry I've left this - I'm about to write an intro to the thing which Morgann wanted we to write on forcing / nonforcing bids.

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Message 11 of 15 in Discussion

From: Morgannn

Sent: 2/13/2003 1:47 PM

to pk

14. 1C �?1S �?2C �?4C GF. Jumps to 4 of minor are forcing. 3C is invitational

Ok PK, 3Cis invitational maybe to 5c or 3nt

But, "jump to 4 of a minor is ""forcing"" "

Forcing to what? Obviously 5c.. Right? If this is so why not go directly to 5c?

Tell me where my deductive reasoning is wrong

in this last case

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Message 12 of 15 in Discussion

From: lucky_55

Sent: 2/13/2003 2:33 PM

Morgann, i could be wrong here, but since 3c does not bypass 3nt it is invitational allowing opener to choose between games or pass , 5c would be shut up, 4c is forcing showing slam interest.

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Message 13 of 15 in Discussion

From:

PriorKnowledge

Sent: 2/14/2003 9:11 PM

Right on target, lucky.