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| | From:  Grace· (Original Message) | Sent: 8/17/2005 7:32 PM |
| I had a asst manager...... and her and i had a falling out.... for numerous of reasons.... but anyhow... i deleted every single post she made when i banned her from the group.... and now she is claiming that she is gonna report me to msn..... im not doing anything wrong.... but im scared where msn closes down groups for no reason.... will close me down just to the hatred this one person has for me..... what can i do? thanks natasha | language=javascript>var bMB=true;</SCRIPT> language=javascript id=OVScript src="http://cmhtml.msn.overture.com/d/search/p/msn/js/communities/?Partner=msn_grpdir&maxCount=3&market=us&ctxtId=16&type=16"></SCRIPT> language=javascript></SCRIPT> ></SCRIPT> <NOBR> First </NOBR> <NOBR>Previous </NOBR> <NOBR>2-12 of 12 </NOBR> <NOBR>Next </NOBR> <NOBR>Last </NOBR> | Reply
| | | MSN won't close a group because of a spat. They may investigate, but I doubt you have to worry about anything. Just be sure not to mention her name or allow members to badmouth her. | | Reply
| | | theres been none of that.... lol... i dont have the time to do that..... lol having fun in our group is more important.... im just bitter now that a group that we both belong to.... i made a response to one of her posts... an encouraging one... and she had the nerve to go to the manager and say that i am not allowed to post to her posts..... i jsut feel that i should leave that group now too...... grrrrr.... im soo confussed. the manager of that group doesnt want me to leave (we are sister sites) but i cant be in a group that i dont feel safe cause of this individual..... and cant express my feelings without being chewed out for it.... ahhhhhhhhhh | | Reply
| | | man some people are so childish and vindictive is there something in the water lately. Seems a lot of us have some pretty childish members acting up. | | Reply
| | | well im sorry you feel that way Moe ..... but i put soo much work into this group.... and dont want it messed cause one individual........ I'm sorry if i ofended you in anyway..... ijust thought someone here might have an idea on how to make this person LEAVE ME ALONE.....lol.... and what do i do about this other group.... i love being sister sites with it the managers there are the best...... but im scared to post anything in fear that itll be turned around and all used against me in some way. | | Reply
| | | Try E-mailing the managers saying you have no intention to cause trouble and or bring it into her group. Let them know that it was between this member and you only. And you would like to keep it that way. Let them know you enjoy their group ! Then just wait and see what the reply is. Hope that helps a little! Schatzi | | Reply
| | | No hun Im sorry you took me wrong, I was saying I didnt care that a member of mine left and took all of there stuff. Im sorry I wasnt saying that the way it came out..lol Im sorry your going though the BS it happens alot when you ban people some people are soo vindictive but you dont have anything to worry about. | | Reply
| | | oh im sorry moe.... lol... i guess i did take you the wrong way...... see what she suppsidly was pissed at is that i didnt delete any games that she posted on my site.... and i was under the assumption that when you leave a group or get banned... only personal info and stuff needs to be deleted.... and so i kept her games on..... but after she said she was gonna report me..... i decided wtf.... i came to mhm seen if any of them were share games and the ones that were i just deleted them.... and reposted them starting new games on my own name!!!! theres always ways around things....lol.... was i in the wrong to keep her games? i figured since they were on mhm ars shared games itwould be ok..... oh well they are under my name now.... the only thing that pissed me off was that it made my posts numbers go down cause of it..... grrrrrrr..... ok im sorry to go on and on.... thank you very much for everyones in put..... hoepfully she will just go away and stop making my life a living hell..... its been worse since i banned her.... i may even have to change my e-mail address. Natasha | | Reply
| | | I would just suggest leaving that ex-member alone and working on your site that you have put your time and effort into. Things will cool down and you probably won't hear anything else from her/him in the long run. Just continue on doing what you were doing before that member even joined your group and your site should run smoothly! Hope this helps in the long run for you. Daina | | Reply
| | | Please do not post to my posts momofmilliondollarbabies...... i dont know what you are trying to do..... but you know damn well this post is about you and id prefer if you keep the drama off of this site..... you were not a member here when i wrote this post..... if i knew you were a member i wouldnt have posted a thing here...i come here for the help from the others.... not to start drama here...... if you have a problem with me then deal with it.... dont get all immature and bring it into other ppls groups..... i dont want that for Debbie or Adam... and no your post didnt have anything nasty in it..... but you know your self you did that to get a stab at me..... please grow up and just leave me alone..... ive asked too many times and dont want to ask again..... youve been banned from my group for a few reasons.... time to move on and deal with your own group.... leave me and my groups alone. Please | | Reply
| | | soooooooooo much drama, sooooooooo little time......... theothermoe | | |
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| | | From: Grace· | Sent: 8/31/2005 6:23 PM |
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| | Since you can't answer any computer or group questions maybe you can help me understand something else. Wahoo. Your cable is back. You were under a tornado watch last nite. Everyone here is blissfully happy for you. You must have suffered enormously. Now will you just stop the drivel? Four hours down the highway from your address, this nation just suffered the worst catastrophe in its history. And your internet connection failed. Bodies are floating in the streets and washing up on the seashore. And your internet connection failed. Tens of thousands of people who survived are left with only the clothes on their backs and a lifetime of memories. And your internet connection failed. A major American city will be evacuated. Red paint is being splashed on homes containing dead people to mark the locations when rescue workers are able to remove the bodies. And your internet connection failed. People are begging for water and ice. The humidity is stifling. The smell is stifling. People cannot flush their toilets because there's no room in the sewers. They have no electricity. There's no end to the suffering. And you had a thunderstorm and your cable went off. What an amazing survival story. Such courage. Such perseverance. I wonder if you are even aware of the national disaster that took place under your neurotic self centered nose. When are you going to grow up and get your face out of this soap opera existence? You're making a fool of yourself day in and day out. What's even worse than your preoccupation with your personal daily dramas is that your so called manager is encouraging you and everyone else to continue this practice. If it wasn't for the drama your group would have 5 posts per month on a good month. There are alternatives to this depressing assembly of drama queens, should anyone here be sensible enough to recognize it. I joined this site in the belief that it was a help site. Clearly it is not a help site. I don't know what to call it but it definitely isn't a help site. There is one up-side to this dreadful arrangement you have. With 4500 drama dummies, you are taking the pressure off the other sites who are fed up with your types. We're really happy that you got your internet connection restored even though "it took them all day." At least you recognize the really important things in life.
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| | OMG Kari get over of it!!! I have elderly grandparents in Lousiana! My grandmother had surgery just last week too! Luckily my aunt went to help them out last week after the surgery so I know she got them to safety (I hope anyways) !!! I also have a very close friend and her 6 year old daughter that had to evacuate their home in Mississippi and I have not heard form her in 2 days!! All this time you are moaning and groaning about petty BS! OMG your freaking cable went off! WOW freaking wee! | | Reply
| | bearlyshelly and RêvŠpîrîtRâvên
I was also very upset when I saw this thread. I live in Switzerland, where we also recently had heavy floods, though no way as murderous as in Louisiana.
RêvŠpîrîtRâvên, I hope you soon have reassuring news of all your relatives and friends in Mississipi and Louisiana.
But then I checked the times of Kari's posts. She apparently wrote message 6 just before being to bed, and may not have heard the news of the catastrophe then. Her message 8 seems to have been written very fast, just before the one where she said she was leaving off for work in the morning: again, she may not have listened to the news before leaving. If she has heard the news at work in the meantime, she is probably feeling awful about this thread.
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| | | The devastation in Louisiana and Mississippi is just unspeakably dreadful, and I have a niece with 3 small children in that area, and am horribly worried about them as we have still not heard from anyone as to where they went or if they are safe. However, as Kari said her cable was out, so she probably had absolutely no idea of what had happened. No internet news, no TV news...how could she know? This is not the time for us to start picking on each other. We need to be as kind as possible to each other, you never know when your words can wound somone as deeply as accidents and the forces of nature. | | Reply
| | PaganMama, I hope and pray you hear something soon, I'm sorry i can't offer you more than that luv being over here.
God Bless
 A thing like this does make a person priorotise doesnt it?, It makes you realise just how much of an insignificant dot on the map you really are  it is so big .....being over the pond (UKtoo) all we can offer is prayer and donation, and with all best intent, that too isnt often enough , we feel so helpless over here, when we see such a terrible happening over there.
God Bless the survivors and the reletives of those who did not.
Earthy
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| | | From: Grace· | Sent: 8/31/2005 6:25 PM |
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| | ....and for you too revspiritraven
God Bless
Earthy
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| | | Pagan Mama, I hope you hear from your family soon! My thoughts and prayers are with you and yours! | | Reply
| | Prayers and thoughts to all those who are afected by this tragedy  | | Reply
| | Also, my thoughts and prayers go out to those REALLY affected by Katrina. | | Reply
| | | I was here when Kennedy was assassinated. I can tell you everything that I did, thought and felt then and during 9-11 The feelings of numbness and shock then were no more than I feel now. These have been the most heartbreaking events in my life. We feel so badly for everyone directly impacted. Like, can you all really imagine what those poor people are going through? This is not the time to even be thinking about ourselves. I have clean running water by just turning on the tap, I have food and clothing, and I have a roof over my head. I feel like crying with every bite I take and when I crawled into my bed last night I kept picturing these poor people. I wonder how important they would think it was that someone lost cable connection. I am so pleased that the people I know are not so selfish that they can only think of themselves at a time like this. I also wonder where all these other countries that we have aided during there disasters are when we have need of help? | | |
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| | | From: Grace· | Sent: 8/31/2005 6:28 PM |
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| | i wondered since this is such a big group who would have family down there or lived around there.i am so very sorry to hear some of you have loved ones in the wake of this.so awful and i hope they are safe and well.........please let us know your loved ones are safe  | | Reply
| | Oldtimeraggedylady, when 911 happend, we were all so shocked, i remember our bosses bringing this big TV into the place where i worked, it was left on all day from going in to going out, they brought little portables in too and stationed them around the place, the tannoy system was tuned into the radio station for departements elswhere, we were constantly on the alert for news of survivors, i can remember that i walked around all days with a lump in my throat, when news did surface of a survivor being found or brought out, or that someone had been found and reunited, a cheer whent up in the whole place that lasted for minutes on end, ...bosses went out and brought newspapers when theyd been delivered to various stores, there was a tv set up in the canteen and upstairs too in the offices, never before have i seen our folks get so involved with what was happening to another nation, it was both terrible and awsome(the response i mean) i can remember walking into freinds family homes at that time, the tv was on all the time, parents shushed theyr children to listen and watch, skye news held the daily coverage, it stayed there till it was over, churches in my area set up little chapels where ppl could go at any time, very suprising as the church no longer keeps a 24 hour opening that i used to hear about of my grandma. I can remember i had this overwhelming urge to cry off and on all day in the days that followed and indeed, as others did, when we heard ANYTHING that was good news, we all cried, the relief was the release. I can remember the collections, and the rallies tickets being sold all round the place for the proceeds to be taken to the Banks relief fund for 911, I can remember going home from work each day and my parents having tears in theyr eyes, i'd never seen that b4 simultaneously except for my grandparents funerals(respectively) in all, i can't remember a time when we all were so affected , we felt like it was us, we were devastated, the emotion was very real wether for the bad news or the good news(when someone was found).I don't think i'll ever forget that.
God Bless
Earthy
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| | | Thank you everyone for the good wishes and prayers. We are still waiting for news, but with no electricity and no cell phone service ect. it may be quite a while before we hear anything. I just can't bear to watch the news any longer... | | Reply
| | PaganMama...would it help to be with someone right now luv? i mean like in the chatroom or something? i'm sure something can be organised i'm not much of a chatter  in my other places im more there with security in mind with Shasta etc, bt i'll be happy to keep you company luv.
God Bless
Earthy
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| | | My prayers and thoughts are also with those here awaiting news and the true victims of this disaster. I'll give the benefit of the doubt regarding the post that started this thread, and hope the real tagedy has sunk in with her. Michelle xx | | Reply
| | | The person who post this in messgae #9.......thankyou so much for it...I thankGod for what I have and I cry for the ones that lost everythang and even ther familys Since you can't answer any computer or group questions maybe you can help me understand something else. Wahoo. Your cable is back. You were under a tornado watch last nite. Everyone here is blissfully happy for you. You must have suffered enormously. Now will you just stop the drivel? ....... etc. etc. | | | Reply
| | PaganMama.....if y return to this thread and see this post, would you like to leave me a message here?
ThanQ
God Bless
Earthy
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| | | bearlyshelly..thank you SO MUCH! I've been dying for someone to speak up! I actually dread coming back here for advice. My questions and requests are always bumped to the bottom because of nonsense like this. I can't take the drama anymore, how do you Manage your own group, MistressKari? You are here all day, posting about nothing...over..and over..and over again. I know you're probably dying to be a Manager here, so maybe a few more Emails to Adam might do it.. | | Reply
| | | I am going to speak to ™♥MistressKari♥�?/STRONG> about this immediately. I understand the feelings and have to agree that it needs to stop ... Debbie | | |
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| | | From: Grace· | Sent: 8/31/2005 6:29 PM |
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| | | ... and YES this group is a help group and I don't like seeing that detracted from. Plz don't insult our wonderful group, I agree with everything you said except that, ok? Be assured we are dealing with this. And NO we are not adding any more Assistants, no worries!!! lol | | Reply
| | | deb just so you know thats why i emailed you yesturday......i thought she was a manager or something.....i was like geeeeeeeez!!!!!!!!!!! | | Reply
| | | Ahh... NOPE its myself, Adam, Joyce and Christina along w/ our Graphic Designers and Critiques Team who help keep things done. She is one of our Designers and is great at that. I'm sure she'll agree that posting about personal issues must stop. I hope so... Just sent you an email......... Deb | | Reply
| | | I'm sorry Deb, I didn't mean to insult you, don't feel that way! You do a great job here, and you and the other Managers monitor the board very well, but I know some things can get out of hand so easily. We all know! :) I wasn't downing the support at all, just that sometimes the important stuff gets pushed down. No biggie, I just had a problem with a certain person, and couldn't help but agree with the previous post! | | |
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| | | From: Grace· | Sent: 8/31/2005 7:04 PM |
As I scrolled over the list of messages on the General, I was surprised to notice there were so many replies to this thread..... over something as simple as cable getting restored. I figured she'd get a handful of replies, and that would be the end of it. Not so. I was even more surprised by what I found when I opened it to read what all had been added to it since I last replied. I for one.... do not see anything wrong with Kari being happy her cable was restored. No... it is not a 'big' deal in comparison to everything else going on in the world. It was however something she was excited about.. and having been without home internet service myself recently (by choice)... I can relate to the personal thrill of something being restored that you had lost... even if it was just for a day. It is a horrible horrible situation... and along with the tragedy from Katrina, there is suffering and death all over the world. It is in times like this that I feel it is important for us to grab onto whatever good there is in our personal lives and be grateful for it.. wether it's a lovely sunny day, or something that makes us happy like our cable being restored. I had written the message below on my own board... and I'll share it here. Our personal lives are still important to us... in the midst of everything going on. My heart breaks for Kari.....because I don't think she deserved to be attacked in such a way. If she needed to be corrected, that even should have been reserved for management alone to do I believe. On another group I used to belong to the management quickly, and quietly deleted any and all messages that would create drama, or hurt feelings, or misunderstandings... and if necessary, e-mailed the writer in private to explain, correct of discuss. If management did not agree with this thread being posted... it should have just been deleted immediately, with no comments made on the board. My heart hurts at what I see on the tv... especially knowing it's going to last for weeks! For those members here who have loved ones personally affected by this catastrophe I do hope you hear from them soon. My prayers are with you. In the meantime.... here's another perspective on things. |  ..... As I look out my patio doors to a beautiful sunny day, and the lovely lake we have here, I also think about the homes flooded to the roof line, and the tremendous loss of property and lives from Hurricane Katrina.
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| | | From: Grace· | Sent: 8/31/2005 7:21 PM |
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| | | She is not a child...She is my age 24 yrs old we actually have the same b-day and i have my priorities straight i have a child and im also going to school and working and i sure as hell wouldn't be worried about Cable when all this was going on or even something less serious in my own home it's important to me just not THAT important so i know u didn't mean for it to be offensive but I took offense..... I don't think she has her Priorities straight either...Everything is about her group and the net and family on the net maybe she's lonely.....But i think she'll prolly take offense to that message more than any of them i know i did lol SheR! | | Reply
| | | well....imo someone who burns up the boards with posts.......brings attention to themselves.....whatever attention that is.......shows itself in different ways. | | Reply
| | | Alright.. plz let management handle this. I want Kari to see this thread before I delete it, but don't want to see her bashed either here... the well spoken posts will remain. ... end of discussion ... :) | | Reply
| | I didn't mean to cause an upset...I thought, from reading some of her postings, that she was around 12... | | |
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| | | From: Grace· | Sent: 9/15/2005 9:05 PM |
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| | | LOL Grace.. Yes it is me.. If I were going to fake a picture, I would have put Tina Turner on there.. lmbo.. Nice to meet you also. I have enjoyed reading your posts.. they are always informative and uplifting. Maybe the next time there is chat, we can both join in and get to know all who are chatting a little better. Have a good day and thanks for all the uplifting posts you do here. Carmel | | |
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| | | From: Grace· | Sent: 9/15/2005 9:05 PM |
| Grace! Just wanted to say HI. I'm 49, and you're right, there aren't too many of us in this age group on the internet. I do enjoy your voice of calm reason wafting through the sometimes "heated" debates like a much needed breath of cool air! | |
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| | | From: Grace· | Sent: 9/17/2005 3:08 PM |
| I joined a group awhile back because I really liked the managers of that group,and defended them in a nasty situation....I admired their talents and wanted to learn things on making a group good. I "thought" by all their big talk,and whining over being abused by others,which they were,and their welcoming other abused people to their group,that they would be a group anyone with ethics would want to be a member of..... I also was banned from 2 groups for defending these people..... I thought everything was kosher,and I was practicing some of the designs they were teaching everyone and also shared some tags with the group,,,granted I am not a normal chatter box,so my posting was not as much as others..... So out of the blue,with no warning,and no email to me that they claim should be done before canceling a member,I was canceled.... I have no idea why,I have asked through their application to join thing and they do not have the decency to reply back to me,another thing they criticized other groups for doing. Basically they have proved to me they are not any better then the groups they criticize and degrade on their group..... So another lesson learned in my 60 years of living,its a fact we live and learn until we die I guess..... Yes my feelings were hurt,concedering I defended them when they were harshly treated by another group,but thats another lesson learned....Do not trust anyone online,they are never what you think they are.....they are just as rude,crude and decieving as the group who treated them badly... Sorry for the long post,had to get this off my chest and sort of warn others just how anyone can wear a pretty mask,but under it they are just as bad............... | |
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| | | From: Grace· | Sent: 9/17/2005 11:04 PM |
| Hi Angel Song... I hear ya. What I found for myself is that in all things, there is a need for balance. When I began my group years ago I had an idea of the general 'framework' of what I wanted and intended the group to be about. Within that perimeter the members filled in the spaces. Yet they knew there were certain boundaries/limits that I did not want to have crossed over or become a part of the definition of the group. For example, certain gifs etc that were not allowed due to the Christian theme of the group at that time. There is a degree of "our"... it's the members who decorate the group and bring out the colors and music of a place....through their personalities and various tastes and characteristics. However, in my mind, the foundation, the framework that establishes the group and defines it is I believe only the manager's domain. I had a difficult time understanding the definition of manager in the beginning.... was even quite uncomfortable with the title at times...lol. It takes time to find that personal balance where you know who you are as far as the 'authority'... and can then also find that space within yourself where you can share certain choices about the group with the members and let them decide a few things... without feeling like you've lost control of what you created. Sometimes others see things in a wonderful new or different way we are not able to... and it pays to at least listen. You lose nothing by listening... and may just gain a great deal. In the end... as manager, the final choice is yours. For ideas to come back as you say after a decision has been made.. may seem like a form of rejection, or a criticism of your decision, or maybe a challenge to your authority as manager. I doubt that is ever the true case... yet it can just feel that way. How you handle the situation will also be a defining part of the character of the group. Balance... just balance. It can indeed be exactly like you say... said and done, no discussion. I remember some of the best play times growing up though... as being when each of us kids added .. "hey, let's do this!".. and someone else happily said... "yeah...and then we can do this too.."... and everyone had a fun time enjoying letting their imaginations be expressed. The times I remember one of us saying matter of factly ...."No! I get to decide, and you have to do it like I say!".... wasn't all that fun a play time. It's up to you.  | |
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