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General : Where'd the bailout money go?
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From: Stanley Levin  (Original Message)Sent: 12/23/2008 6:43 PM

Doesn't this PISS you off just a little bit?

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Where'd the bailout money go? Shhhh, it's a secret

By MATT APUZZO, Associated Press Writer Matt Apuzzo, Associated Press Writer Mon Dec 22, 1:12 pm ET

WASHINGTON �?Think you could borrow money from a bank without saying what you were going to do with it? Well, apparently when banks borrow from you they don't feel the same need to say how the money is spent.

After receiving billions in aid from U.S. taxpayers, the nation's largest banks say they can't track exactly how they're spending it. Some won't even talk about it.

"We're choosing not to disclose that," said Kevin Heine, spokesman for Bank of New York Mellon, which received about $3 billion.

Thomas Kelly, a spokesman for JPMorgan Chase, which received $25 billion in emergency bailout money, said that while some of the money was lent, some was not, and the bank has not given any accounting of exactly how the money is being used.

"We have not disclosed that to the public. We're declining to," Kelly said.

The Associated Press contacted 21 banks that received at least $1 billion in government money and asked four questions: How much has been spent? What was it spent on? How much is being held in savings, and what's the plan for the rest?

None of the banks provided specific answers.

"We're not providing dollar-in, dollar-out tracking," said Barry Koling, a spokesman for Atlanta, Ga.-based SunTrust Banks Inc., which got $3.5 billion in taxpayer dollars.

Some banks said they simply didn't know where the money was going.

"We manage our capital in its aggregate," said Regions Financial Corp. spokesman Tim Deighton, who said the Birmingham, Ala.-based company is not tracking how it is spending the $3.5 billion it received as part of the financial bailout.

The answers highlight the secrecy surrounding the Troubled Asset Relief Program, which earmarked $700 billion �?about the size of the Netherlands' economy �?to help rescue the financial industry. The Treasury Department has been using the money to buy stock in U.S. banks, hoping that the sudden inflow of cash will get banks to start lending money.

There has been no accounting of how banks spend that money. Lawmakers summoned bank executives to Capitol Hill last month and implored them to lend the money �?not to hoard it or spend it on corporate bonuses, junkets or to buy other banks. But there is no process in place to make sure that's happening and there are no consequences for banks that don't comply.

"It is entirely appropriate for the American people to know how their taxpayer dollars are being spent in private industry," said Elizabeth Warren, the top congressional watchdog overseeing the financial bailout.

But, at least for now, there's no way for taxpayers to find that out.

Pressured by the Bush administration to approve the money quickly, Congress attached nearly no strings to the $700 billion bailout in October. And the Treasury Department, which doles out the money, never asked banks how it would be spent.

"Those are legitimate questions that should have been asked on Day One," said Rep. Scott Garrett, R-N.J., a House Financial Services Committee member who opposed the bailout as it was rushed through Congress. "Where is the money going to go to? How is it going to be spent? When are we going to get a record on it?"

Nearly every bank AP questioned �?including Citibank and Bank of America, two of the largest recipients of bailout money �?responded with generic public relations statements explaining that the money was being used to strengthen balance sheets and continue making loans to ease the credit crisis.

A few banks described company-specific programs, such as JPMorgan Chase's plan to lend $5 billion to nonprofit and health care companies next year. Richard Becker, senior vice president of Wisconsin-based Marshall & Ilsley Corp., said the $1.75 billion in bailout money allowed the bank to temporarily stop foreclosing on homes.

But no bank provided even the most basic accounting for the federal money.

Some said the money couldn't be tracked. Bob Denham, a spokesman for North Carolina-based BB&T Corp., said the bailout money "doesn't have its own bucket." But he said taxpayer money wasn't used in the bank's recent purchase of a Florida insurance company. Asked how he could be sure, since the money wasn't being tracked, Denham said the bank would have made that deal regardless.

Others, such as Morgan Stanley spokeswoman Carissa Ramirez, offered to discuss the matter with reporters on condition of anonymity. When AP refused, Ramirez sent an e-mail saying: "We are going to decline to comment on your story."

Most banks wouldn't say why they were keeping the details secret.

"We're not sharing any other details. We're just not at this time," said Wendy Walker, a spokeswoman for Dallas-based Comerica Inc., which received $2.25 billion from the government.

One didn't even want to say they wouldn't say.

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From: MSN Nickname69BuickGSSent: 12/23/2008 9:03 PM
We know where the first $1.6 billion went.
 
December 23, 2008

Early Christmas for bank CEOs

ASBURY PARK PRESS EDITORIAL

Thank heavens that Lloyd Blankfein, president and chief executive officer of Goldman Sachs, will not have to suffer the fate of Dickensian urchins this holiday season.

Not with the nearly $54 million he was compensated for the bang-up job he did this year.

We bet you're still waiting for a thank-you note. After all, you and your tax dollars helped make his holidays bright.

And Blankfein is hardly alone.

As The Associated Press reported over the weekend, banks that are getting taxpayer bailouts awarded their top executives nearly $1.6 billion in salaries, bonuses and other benefits last year.

This is both an intellectual and a moral failure.

The intellectual failure happened when the Bush administration changed the emphasis of its Troubled Assets Relief Program from buying bad mortgages to pumping money directly into banks. And while the program did set limits on some executive compensation, it did not generally do the same for salaries and bonuses. How did Congress not see this bonus bonanza coming?

Executives live for this kind of thing. That's why they hire phalanxes of loophole-seeking lawyers to find and exploit every possible way around the clear intent of every piece of legislation that might affect them.

Right there, you have the moral failing. If the spectacle of the last few months has shown us anything, it is that those who live in the rarefied world of corner offices and compensation packages that are virtually unimaginable to the rest of the working world just don't get it. They really don't see how obscene it is to walk up the Capitol steps to ask for a handout with a golden parachute on their backs and a tin cup in their hands.

Rep. Barney Frank, chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, said these bonuses amount to a bribe "to get them to do the jobs for which they are well paid in the first place." Rep. Brad Sherman, a Democrat from California, another member of the House Financial Services Committee, put it this way: "The tougher we are on the executives that come to Washington, the fewer will come for a bailout."

It's about darn time, too.

To which we can only add, with Charles Dickens, "God bless us everyone!"


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From: MSN NicknameOpar5Sent: 12/25/2008 6:19 AM
Barney Frank?      His palm has been greased as much or more than anyone elses by those putting on a public show now.      We know the money went to those executives reported living it up at exclusive, high-priced resorts after they got the money.    Giving money to banks isn't going to encourage people to borrow fom them, as giving money to manufacturers isn't going to make people want their products.     We're in a crisis of confidence from government-caused problems, exacerbated by the same people who created the problems.      Guess we're supposed to be too dumb to know that every dollar they borrow or print makes existing dollars (your and my bank accounts and investments) worth ever less.
 
We keep electing the frauds and can't complain too loud.      Caroline Kennedy for Senator?     Entitlement must be great; even Prince Harry hasn't such brass!

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From: MSN Nickname™Curm�?/nobr>Sent: 12/27/2008 9:09 PM
SL,
 
The USA is about to get the Obama government they deserve in about one month, and the government that will raise China to SuperPower status by destroying the US economy via printing monopoly money to meet all those Socialist promises that got him elected.
 
I have my bag of popcorn and a seat in the stadium.  Let the 'games' begin.
 
Curm

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From: Stanley LevinSent: 12/28/2008 6:26 AM
Curm, where have you been? They're already printing 'monopoly money' and have been all along.

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From: MSN Nickname69BuickGSSent: 12/28/2008 10:42 PM
China is already a super power.
 
The US economy is already destroyed.
 
 It isn;t socialist promises that are going to bankrupt us, its bailing out the private sector before it goes totally tits.
 
It must be comforting to live in a fantasy world.

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From: MSN Nickname69BuickGSSent: 12/28/2008 11:08 PM
Speaking of bailing out the private sector, last week's news that GMAC has been allowed to turn itself into a bank in order to feed at the bank bailout teat is an interesting conclusion for those of us who have been wondering how those farking idiots were going to deal with all those zero interest car loans.
 
Download them on the taxpayer!
 
Perfect!!
 

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From: MSN Nickname69BuickGSSent: 12/28/2008 11:09 PM
(but lets hope Obama doesn't bring in any socialism!!)

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From: MSN Nickname69BuickGSSent: 12/30/2008 3:28 PM
Wekk Its official! The US tax payer is now thw rpoud owner of $6 billion worth of GMAC zero percent financing deby!
 
Oh happy fucking day!
 
Let's just prey Obama doesn;t ruin this great economy of ours.

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From: Stanley LevinSent: 12/30/2008 5:25 PM
Just push it on the taxpayers! There is no end in sight, either. Give the government more time they'll figure out another way to burden the taxpayers with more debts in order to finance big business. In the meantime, small businesses are collapsing at an alarming rate and they have absolutely nowhere to turn.

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