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From: MSN Nicknamechessmaster2000  (Original Message)Sent: 8/27/2008 3:59 PM
the dead one! religion is about control, not anything else. just control. more wars and mass murders have been committed in the name of religion than any other reason in recorded history. and they are still pushing that same crap. my religion is better so you have to accept it or i'll kill you!!!


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From: MSN NicknameOpar5Sent: 8/27/2008 8:42 PM
I can't disagree about religion's misuse over the centuries, but we haven't heard your definition of religion - organized religion or not organized?     I subscribe to the latter; a view that does not lend itself to middle-men, clerics and such defining what "God wants," as a marvelously cohesive universe is not only self-organizing, but self-evident from the panentheist perspective.     Religion itself helps adherents with some orderly view of the universe and principles to live by.     Since we are all perceive reality somewhat differently and are more comfortable with a view that fits well within our culture, different religions, sects, subsets, and even cults fill those needs; a reality that also fits very well within the panenthist perspective - without empirical or logical dispute @ http://groups.msn.com/ComparativeReligion/panentheism.msnw
 
Without religions' assurance that there's something greater than we, somehow watching over us, I've no doubt our species would be long extinct, or still hiding in the dark, afraid of those many natural things we didn't otherwise have a foundation to examine or understand.     We've finally separated science from religion, but science can never provide the hope and morality we need to live even as peacefully as we do among ourselves.     Darwin, as a god, is the darkest of all, as conscience cannot be found or shaped in any laboratory or test tube.     Religion binds us all as special in some way, as well as somewhat equal and worthy kindred.     Without God, getting caught is the only crime.     As Francois Voltaire correctly observed: "If there was no God, it would be necessary to invent Him."     I would sincerely appreciate a cogent counter-argument.

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From: sanitySent: 10/6/2008 10:04 PM
I have examined all of the known superstitions of the world and I do not find in our superstitions of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all founded on fables and mythology. Christianity has made one-half the world fools and the other half hypocrites.
~ Thomas Jefferson
 
Man is certainly stark mad: he cannot make a worm, yet he will make gods by the dozen.
~ Michel de Montaigne
 
All Bibles are man-made.
~ Thomas Edison
I have seldom met an intelligent person whose views were not narrowed and distorted by religion.
~ James Buchanan
 
It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal god and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious, then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.
~ Albert Einstein
 
All natural institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.
~ Thomas Paine
 

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From: MSN NicknameOpar5Sent: 11/5/2008 7:49 PM
Albert Einstein:   "I do not believe in the God of theology who rewards good and punishes evil.       My God created laws that take care of that.      His universe is not ruled by wishful thinking, but by immutable laws.," and
 
"I am fascinated by Spinoza's pantheism, but I admire even more his contribution to modern thought because he is the first philosopher to deal with the soul and body as one, and not two separate things.,"  and

"It is better to believe than to disbelieve; in so doing you bring everything to the realm of possibility.," and

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious.      It is the source of all true art and all science.        He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed.," and

"Everything is determined, the beginning as well as the end, by forces over which we have no control.        It is determined for the insect as well as for the star.        Human beings, vegetables, or cosmic dust, we all dance to a mysterious tune, intoned in the distance by an invisible piper." Einstein: The Life and Times, by Ronald W. Clark

Einstein was clearly no atheist.    My own view, still in search of some critical empirical or logical fault provided by someone with superior powers of reason to my own:  

Panentheism @ http://groups.msn.com/ComparativeReligion/panentheism.msnw


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