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| | From:  Flat_paul2 (Original Message) | Sent: 2/27/2008 9:27 PM |
Before saying yeah right this is bullshit, or calling someone a religious nut or freak, have a read, it could very well be a future in store for may if not most of us. Some of what has been described in detail I have seen btw. It is a long read but a good one, better than any movie hollywood could put out. I'll just post the link, scroll down to read the chapters if you don't want to download it. Enjoy and you can thank me later, hopefully not in hell  |
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| | | From: Opar5 | Sent: 2/29/2008 3:58 PM |
At Ft. Huachuca, and later Taiwan, I was stationed with a guy named Baxter. Our first meeting involved getting a big, public hug from the 6'4" asswipe at my first morning's Company assembly. He'd been claiming to have served in Viet-Nam and as I was a returnee (the first to Ft. Huachuca), he apparently needed to demonstrate that he knew me. A very nice guy, but a pathological liar: his varicose veins "proved he had a heart condition."??
That's what I get from the link, somewhat illustrated by her: "..... who do not obey there calling."
As a classic Near-Death Experience survivor, I've never had ANY experience, and know NO reality that doesn't make sense from the perspective I've been testing for over 20-years. Well over two years offering a bounty to the first person who can reveal any critical fault in said perspective has produced a number of attempts, but no results. No, I do not proselytize, as the abundance of other perspectives makes far better sense.
(# 7) sudburys,
Apparently your understanding of Islam is incomplete: the proper relationship of Muslims toward Allah is FEAR - demanded over and over again by Mohammed's words and those attributed to Allah in the Qur'an. Given the litany of barbaric cruelties sanctioned and made "holy" by Allah; elevating "the devil" to supremacy may have been what Mohammed had in mind all along. |
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Conversion to islam or having your head cut off sounds like a fear driven kind of thing perhaps you are on to something. And im sure this goes on every day in the U.S.A  or were you talking about 3rd world countries? Do we have to go over the standards of life differences not to mention a completely different reality. |
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What difference do geographical boundries have to do with religion? Religion is all encompassing and not bound by lines on a map. |
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| | | From: Opar5 | Sent: 2/29/2008 8:19 PM |
(# 10) sudburys,
Islam is taught by rote from selected passages/verses, until memorized feedback can demonstrate the student's successful understanding. In Muslim countries, ONLY information from their holy writ is seen as needed for a complete education: the 3 R's be damned. Verses in the Qur'an were initially compiled, not in the order Mohammed revealed them, but from longest to shortest verse, front to back, then all originals were destroyed. The Qur'an is not a flowing story, but a confusing, out of order mish-mash of assertions by the "only God in the universe" that cannot serve as a decent foundation for any coherent religion or philosophy. That it's out of order makes it very difficult for even those who can read it to correlate with the biography and traditions of Mohammed - needed to provide that epic, cohesive story. The problem ease of correlation would, and does produce is clear evidence that Mohammed was making it up as he went, with "Allah" demanding Mohammed's every whim - particularly those in violation of existing custom - be satisfied. The Center for the Study of Political Islam has brought the Qur'an verses back to their original order and correlated that with the life and traditions of Mohammed: wisdom for those interested in understanding the realities of islam. All Jihad is defensive, as disbelief is an offense against Allah. Former Muslim, "apostates," commit the greatest offense against Allah, and the penalty is DEATH and eternal hell-fire. Killing a non-believer or apostate, even one's own family member, wipes-away the killers sins, guaranteeing him eternal Paradise.
Islam re-defines both Judaism and Christianity to claim Jewish prophets were messengers from Allah, while giving different meanings to events reported in the Torah; Jesus, son of Mary, was simply another prophet for Allah. Islam also re-defines heaven and hell, and the reasons that send people there. Jews and Christians in dar al-Islam cannot dispute this view - or exhibit their faith in public in any way - while paying an onerous jizya: "Tax of Humiliation."
To believe in "heaven" and "hell," one must subscribe to the multiverse concept of stacked realities. Science is fast discarding the concept as even possible. I concur - and submit that each of us experience our own heaven and/or hell right here on earth, some much more of one than the other, but mostly it's just getting from one event to the next for most of us.
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(Heaven,Hell,and the lake of fire.) Do you know where heaven is? Do you know where hell is? Do you know where the lake of fire is? Iff i did not know where i was going would you follow me??? |
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| Hell could be described as living within her ugly, fat, blowsy body. With her horrible bleached hair. |
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| | | From: Opar5 | Sent: 3/1/2008 11:10 PM |
Concepts of eternal "Heaven" to some, seems "Hell" to others. What monumental act would be required to "earn" either? Making the wrong choice in what to believe or how to practice that belief - out of the multitude of faiths offered seems ludicrous.
One of my experiences with a personel hell was holding my youngest son in my arms and seeing only blood filling his left eye-socket. A touch of Heaven appeared when I discovered it was "only" a cut eye-lid with no permanent damage. It didn't even leave a visible scar.
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What difference do geographical boundries have to do with religion? Religion is all encompassing and not bound by lines on a map. So people are killed in america every day for not being muslim? It happens in the ME, a shithole by anyones standard. Isnt the idea of hell a bit silly? What all knowing god could send someone to hell, without helping them, without showing them truth, doing everything possible to protect its creation. If i was sent to hell from the christian god for believing what i do and doing what i have done, i would kindly smile and spit in its face. To die for what you believe in is not to die at all. |
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I dunno suds, this looks real to me and silly doesn't come to mind: |
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'I was in Hell......I was stuck in an Irish Pub and every day was St. Patricks day' Chris describes his near death experience on the Sopranos. |
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| | | From: Opar5 | Sent: 5/28/2008 5:24 PM |
(# 16) suds,
Geography has little to do with religion (unless a volcano, a certain kind of tree or animal, etc. is involved in the doctrine), but culture has a great deal to do with how any foundational concept is interpreted and practiced. We have LDS living beside Baptists, Methodists, Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus, etc., all with different foundational concepts of reality. These are religions and sects originating from particular cultures that have adapted as their worldviews changed, usually due to their changing situations: does the commandment mean "Thou shall not kill" or "Thou shall not murder"? Methodists support a woman submitting to rape rather than doing anything that might kill her assailant. Baptists (also Christians) see it quite differently.
(# 17) paul,
This is a Muslim-controlled site - hardly realistic from their dualistic and brutal historical or doctrinal realities.
(# 18) Crane,
How might an Irishman see Chris' hell? |
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| | | From: Opar5 | Sent: 6/9/2008 4:10 PM |
(# 20) cf,
I'm not sure what you mean by "been down." I know sexually inexperienced virgins such as yourself can't be making a heterosexual claim of "five;" you can't be talking about the "Near Death Experience," unless you have the NDE confused with unconsciousness. The only thing left leaves you incorrectly assuming a homosexual experience on my part. "Five," huh? |
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| | | From: Opar5 | Sent: 7/12/2008 3:25 PM |
(# 22) poor little cf, Brain-wave patterns are also absent during the Near Death Experience, but acute consciousness remains with the subject. Exhaustive research by cardiologist Pim van Lommel, originally published in "Brain Death and Disorders of Consciousness." Machado, C. and Shewmon, D.A., Eds, 2004, illustrates the reality that "......we finally should consider the possibility that death, like birth, may well be a mere passing from one state of consciousness to another." Because science hasn't the tools to measure or replicate something doesn't mean that it does not exist. You had a "two-some" before I was born? In your last life - or did you mean that you used two fingers? With pre-pubescent juveniles like yourself, the latter seems reasonable. If you're going to prevaricate, however, you might at least try to avoid the appearance of incredible stupidity, but you clearly don't know how. |
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