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| | | De : The Fetch (Message d'origine) | Envoyé : 2003-09-17 18:56 | | I know..noone wants to believe that the American people are so stupid that effectively, they are involved in a Proxy War on behalf of Zionists in America and Israel, but can we show a link to Israeli policy and the Chalabi, the "appointed head" of the Iraqi people? Of course we can. From a Clean Break written in 1996 by Perle which preceded official policy to remove Saddam by the United States in 1998. Final paragraph - "Ultimately, Israel can do more than simply manage the Israel-Arab conflict through war. No amount of weapons or victories will grant Israel the peace it seeks. When Israel is on a sound economic footing, and is free, powerful, and healthy internally, it will no longer simply manage the Arab-Israeli conflict; it will transcend it. As a Senior Iraqi opposition leader said recently, "Israel must rejuvinate and revitalise its moral and intellectual leadership. It is an important - if not the most important -- element in the history of the Middle East. Israel, proud, wealthy, and strong, would be the basis of a truly new and peaceful Middle East." (SCRATCHES HEAD) Jews listening to a "prominent Iraqi opposition leader"? Excuse me? Welcome Chalabi, the Zionist Agent in Iraq, installed by American Military Force to impose a policy and agenda of removing Saddam Hussein from the shores of Tel Aviv. Everytime an American Soldier dies, he should be flown home on an El Al Airline flight, First Class, because his or her death will be courtesy of Israel and America's Jews who demanded that this war be fought for interests wholly out of line with that of the American people. The Fetch | |
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| | | I am surprised our resident apologists as Mickeyrat have not provided an intelligent rebuttel to why this paragraph appears in a Zionist policy with cooperation with the United States in its enactment... It is alot easier to attack messengers than it is to provide knowledgeable intelligence as to what is contained in policy statements as this one. Does everyone think that US involvement in Iraq and placing Chalabi in a position of power was not done at the behest of the Israelis and Jewish global hegemonic concepts? I mean...gee...this very paragraph is at the heart of why Americans are dying on behalf of our resident Earthly racist state of Israel, and it is as a mystical phrase as to why it exists? No volunteers as to the end gambit on behalf of Jews and their "state"? You mean all you Jews in the audience are voting for war and you cant even comment as to why this concept was enacted on your behalf and interests irregardless of American interests? Gee...talk about an intelligent voting block! How many Americans need to die for your war for it to be considered a success? The Fetch | |
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| | | Here is a clue for our Zionist apologists... "While there are those who will counsel continuity, Israel has the opportunity to make a clean break; it can forge a peace process and strategy based on an entirely new intellectual foundation, one that restores strategic initiative and provides the nation the room to engage every possible energy on rebuilding Zionism, the starting point of which must be economic reform. To secure the nation’s streets and borders in the immediate future, Israel can: - Work closely with Turkey and Jordan to contain, destabilize, and roll-back some of its most dangerous threats. This implies clean break from the slogan, "comprehensive peace" to a traditional concept of strategy based on balance of power.
- Change the nature of its relations with the Palestinians, including upholding the right of hot pursuit for self defense into all Palestinian areas and nurturing alternatives to Arafat’s exclusive grip on Palestinian society.
- Forge a new basis for relations with the United States—stressing self-reliance, maturity, strategic cooperation on areas of mutual concern, and furthering values inherent to the West. This can only be done if Israel takes serious steps to terminate aid, which prevents economic reform. "
To analyse this information, one needs to go beyond the naive approach that Jewish "intellectual theories" are based on benign relations to the United States Service Men and Women. This "Clean Break" clearly spells out in nuanced language a War against Iraq instigated by Jews and foisted on the American people by the various Jewish organisations in the United States. Can anyone decipher the puzzle? The Fetch | |
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| | | You know, fetch, you could at least use a lesson in common sense. In your other equally doltish thread, I said straight out that Jews have an influence beyond their numbers. And I suggested that the reason why is because they have better education. Do you expect that those who possess education and influence are not going to act in the interest of their own? Wouldn't you? My argument isn't that Jews don't have influence, or don't have interests. My argument is that if you think that there's some secret worldwide conspiracy dating back six thousand years to the dim reaches of Egyptian history, that you are, sorry to say, obsessed with the subject. There is absolutely no concrete evidence to support your contention. All you can do is to pull this and that rabbit out of the hat and try to breed them into some sort of conspiracy. It's all a bunch of crap, and if ever you realized it, and focused on the reality, you'd actually have something to say. Until that time you remain, in my view, a bore. | |
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| | | Do you expect that those who possess education and influence are not going to act in the interest of their own? Wouldn't you? mickey, I think fetch is subtler than that. Do americans possess education? Do americans possess influence? So how come it is american soldiers that do the dying to contain, destabilize, and roll-back some Israel's most dangerous threats ? Smile, we're on camera | | Réponse
| | | Old Geek... I tend to have alot more respect for the analytical skills of people if and only if I present enough information so that they can begin to see the way things work. And your assessment of being "subtler" is far more accurate than Mickeyrats rather naive attempts to frame my arguements. Here is a case in point when dealing with people like Mickeyrat in the political arena. "Fetch..if you want to maintain that there is some 6000 year conspiracy that reaches into the dim reaches of the Egyptian epic" or something to that effect, then his conclusion is that the concept is "a bore" and thus is not worth the trouble in the study. In reality, what Mickeyrat is saying is, "I dont know squat what you are talking about and since that is the case, it is YOU who are the bore Mr. Fetch for even thinking such is possible." Not a shred of knowledge is presented that debunks the theory, and all knowledge set forward that supports the theory is simply poo poohed as "conspiracy" without a hint of intellectual analysis. For instance, in Aristotle states in "Politics (1310A9)" that the wealthy swore an eternal oath of hatred to the common people (that includes common Jews but the anti-Semitic whining crowd cant quite get the concept it seems).. Giambattista Vicco wrote in 1744 in "The New Science" "..Aristotle states plainly that in the first nations the rich swore themselves to eternal hatred of the common people. This self evident truth explains the pride, avarice, and cruelty of the rich..they compelled to serve them in war...drowned them in an ocean of usery...and beat them with rods if they could not pay their debts."
People as Mickeyrat want to take my thousands of hours of study on this subject and make it comply with his non study and absolute ignorance of the phenomena, and then has the ego to actually go on the stage and proclaim that the concept is a bore...as if he even speaks with any air of knowledge.
That is just the beginning of dealing with people as Mickeyrat on the analytical scene...for in the end, all that they can do is really resort back to a defense that what is not seen does not exist, and therefore the messenger is crazy...all the while failing that the messenger is simply casting light on what has always existed and continues to exist. What seperates myself from others is that I provide the logic and the patterns so that others can begin to learn to see behind the reality that a sea of letters creates...and in that...people as Mickeyrat can only sit and seek to diminish the concept because he knows nothing else. The Fetch | | Réponse
| | | Perhaps you have saw my thread on Freemasonry? Every leader of Israel since its inception has been a high ranking freemason. They want to destroy the Dome on the temple mount and build a temple for their luciferian messiah(I am not refering to Jesus Christ). I assure you that Chalabi is a 33 degree freemason. This is why the war was fought, doubt it not. | | Réponse
| | | Conquered1, King Solomon's Temple was build by masons. Do you mean that Solomon was was whoreshipping Lucifer in that temple? | | Réponse
| | | Freemasonry did not exist in the time of King Solomon. That is only a fairy tale they made up to make their luciferian religion seem old. | | Réponse
| | In the last years of the Republic of Venice, the billionaires saw that their ideal system of government was under threat. So they sought to spread their system of government to the rest of the world. At about this time, Freemasonry came into being. It was claimed that Freemasonry had existed throughout history as a trade union for stonemasons. Freemasons were told that their society had started in ancient Egypt. There is no evidence however of Freemasonry existing before the 18th century. Venice was the only place around where people held Freemason type ideas, so that is probably where Freemasonry started. http://www.students.org.au/oligarchy/ | | Réponse
| | | You know Fetch, I'm gonna do you a big favor, and explain to you how you can spread your anti-Semitism without looking like a complete idiot whilst doing so. First, however... "Fetch..if you want to maintain that there is some 6000 year conspiracy that reaches into the dim reaches of the Egyptian epic" or something to that effect, then his conclusion is that the concept is "a bore" and thus is not worth the trouble in the study. Actually, my conclusion that you are a bore isn't based on your attempt to erect some sort of conspiracy dating back 6,000 years. My conclusion, rather, is based on the fact that you have yet to provide one piece of verifiable evidence to support your contention. I have already shown you that your claims about Isis and Dictys are idiotic, I have already shown you that the word "dictionary" doesn't come from "Dictys", but, rather from the latin verb "to speak", and I have already shown you that the 'au' in your "auset" is not Egyptian, but, rather, Latin in origin. And contrary to your other statement, Set has nothing to do with a 'lack of gold', Set is a contraction of the God Setekh, the primary god of the Shepherd Kings who invaded and conquered Egypt between the Middle and Old Kingdoms. Set (Seth, Setekh, Setesh, Seti, Sutekh, Setech, Sutech) Egyptian god of chaos who embodied the principle of hostility if not of outright evil. He was associated with foreign lands and was the adversary of the god Osiris... For a time during the third millenium BC, Seth replaced Horus as the tutelary deity of the pharaohs... http://osiris.colorado.edu/LAB/GODS/set.html And, of course, the Third Millenium BC is exactly when the Middle Kingdom fell to the Shepherd Kings. Do you understand now why Set, once the invaders were expelled, would acquire the negative characteristics he did in the Egyptian pantheon? Not a shred of knowledge is presented that debunks the theory, and all knowledge set forward that supports the theory is simply poo poohed as "conspiracy" without a hint of intellectual analysis. Actually, as noted above, this represents the fourth "shred of knowledge" I have presented: the actual origin of Dictys as the Hellenic foster-uncle of Perseus, the derivation of the word dictionary, the "au" dipthong as a root meaning gold, and, now, the actual origins of the god Set and his characteristics. By contrast, all you have offered are the ravings of a bunch of lunatics who have far, far too much time on their hands. People as Mickeyrat want to take my thousands of hours of study And, you see, that is what is scary. Did you invest those thousands of hours for a degree, Fetch? Or did you invest them because you felt under a compulsion to do so? Thousands of hours of study for what purpose, Fetch? To prove that some sort of conspiracy has existed for six millenia? and therefore the messenger is crazy...all the while failing that the messenger is simply casting light on what has always existed and continues to exist. No, Fetch. You misunderstand. See, the messenger isn't crazy unless he fails to demonstrate the truth of what has "always existed". Until you demonstrate that truth, until you offer even one single piece of evidence that stands as evidence, then, far be it from me to call you crazy, but... Now, my best advice to you is as follows: First, abandon your current I.D. and rejoin under a new name. Fact is, the Fetch is without credibility, and not a single person is going to listen to you. Second, upon rejoining, focus on presenting your evidence as to the evils of International Jewry TODAY, and not six millenia ago. Make the facts stand up, and let others draw the appropriate conclusions. After all, let us be frank. Illuminated, initiated as you might be, the rest of us are not. And the Jews have done such a fabulous job of hiding this worldwide conspiracy for 6 millenia that there's no reason to think you and you alone are going to pull the curtains back and reveal the truth to the rest of us poor benighted fools. So you're never going to convince us of this conspiracy. But, more important, why bother even to try? Does anyone care what happened six millenia ago? No. Of course not. So focus on what's happening today, show us how today--not six millenia ago--the Jews are destroying the world, present us your evidence, and let us draw our own conclusions. And if we all, as will probably be the case, fall down in hysterical laughter, then you may simply attribute it to our failure to be as illuminated, as initiated, and as good with numbers as yourself. | | |
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| | | Thanks for the added insited and comments here to the conversation....(ie, Catherine, Old Geek, and Conquored1)...with a presumed permission, I am going to use Mickeyrat to highlight more information as to the Initiated World and the current War on Iraq... That Chalabi is a FreeMason is a new twist...I had not heard that, although I have heard that Saddam Hussein was a member of the Masonic organisations prior to coming to power with the American putsch to control Middle Eastern oil. Now that it is in the open, I would not be surprised that Chalabi is indeed associated with a variety of Initiated Orders...and we shall return to illuminate Chalabi's "purpose" in this Jewish inspired plan to destroy Iraq to the benefit of Jews and Israel, as defined in "A Clean Break" written by Perle on behalf of the Israeli Government.. Lets first deal with Mickeyrat from a basic element of destroying his influence. Really, we dont know why he would even attempt to play in a realm that he knows nothing of. His accusation of who is a "complete idiot" is founded upon apparently his education, which is apparently woefully inept as to these matters. For me, I have spent over 11,000 hours in study of Initiated Order coding systems and some regard me as one of the top most experts on the subject. High level Rabbi's from Israel have been known to go out of my way to discredit my work and formulas, equating them to a "Crowlian Practical Joke". Crowley is important because Crowley was one of the key players in the "Protocols of Zion" being handed to Adolf Hitler through 2 known Initiated Order links. The element of the "Snake" in the Protocols of Zion lets you know which Initiated system was behind the crafting of the Protocols simply by analysing the sentence structure and allegorical links attributed within. These are "concepts" and "ideas" that people as Mickeyrat are clueless about and their whining protestations that "no conspiracy" exists is just that, a whining protestation about things he cannot fathom nor comprehend, as he so aptly puts it in his final sentence. Additionally, this is a Political Forum, and what I am introducing to this forum is a concept that the Occult is more actively involved in the running of the various world governing systems and thus have begun the practice of explaining as patiently as possible how this is so and to provide logic patterns so that you can see them in practice when they manifest. To this end, and this is a "soundbite" forum, Mickeyrat seeks to explain to all of you that a key factor in his protestations and "formulations of his conclusions" is that I have only provided one verifiable evidence. We might add that Mickeyrat has vociferously sought to relegate my concepts and ideas to a base level "anti-Semitic" arguement, and thus much time and effort has been wasted seeking to simply neutralise these "written Nuclear Bombs" which are formulated to neutralise comments and insights as I tend to offer. The rationale of these people are simple: Since so and so is anti-Semitic (a charge that they cannot support save for their own personal ideas as to what is and is not anti semitic), then the conclusion is that the balance of the arguement is null and void. We are as a society slowly shredding this logic through patient and methodical framing which properly highlights these people and their arguements as lower order intellectual comprehension skills and thus more attuned to emotional appeals and arguements which the rule of the mob has invoked since the rise of nation states. In truth, I speak from the Eye, and I am not an enemy of the human race as most who do speak from the Eye. I despise seeing knowledge from that "realm" purposely abused and misused by Jewish people who have stumbled on the knowledge, twisted and perverted it into their own image, and then use the knowledge to deceive others. Example: WMB's and linking Iraq to Al Qaeda and then using this linkage to wage war against innocent people so that a select elite of Jewry can fulfill their own selfish interests is a crime of many magnitudes of order, both politically and spiritually. This is effected through techniques contained in various Initiated Worlds. Mickeyrat rants on and on about Isis and Dictys as if he has comprehension. I say matter of factly that not only does Mickeyrat fail to have comprehension, his whole protestation is akin to a swimmer drowing in water from from shore and thus we watch as his arms flail in the water and the sharks circle underneath. ISIS is a formula...comprised of the Letters I S I S..its value will total 56 in an ordinal code set. OSIRIS is a formula..comprised of the Letters O S I R I S..its value will total 89 in an ordinal code set. SPEECH is a formula..comprised of the Letters S P E E C H..and its ordinal value is 56, while the word RELIGION is a formula whose ordinal code value will be 89. ISIS = 56 = SPEECH
OSIRIS = 89 = RELIGION Dictys is said to have been "nursed" by Isis, who used her finger instead of her breast. This is known as an allegorical code set. The "index finger" is the finger which typically opens a book, in this case defined as a Dictionary in name of Dictys. Thus when SPEECH grows, Isis, or Speech, through the Index finger, nurses the Dictionary, or the Words which comprise Speech, and thus Dictys is able to grow...through Speech... More later | | Réponse
| | | Freemasonry did not exist in the time of King Solomon. That is only a fairy tale they made up to make their luciferian religion seem old. conquered1, remember the old book said Lucifer was the one that teach us about the knowlege of good and bad and that all our miseries started with that? Now ask yourself: Are the preachers teaching us about good and bad following the luciferian path like the pharisees were doing in Jesus days? Jesus said there is one G-d and there is one Law "Love your neighbour". From what I've read, freemasonery is about "There is one G-d" and about "fraternity of humankind". So in my mind freemasons are more like Jesus teachings and judeo-christian religions are more like luciferian's teachings. History of the la 2000 years have showned us that judeo-christians sects are as prone to Hate and religion motivated blood-baths than all the paegan barbaric religions of before Jesus the past. | | Réponse
| | | At about this time, Freemasonry came into being. cath, Freemasonry loge system came into being at that time because the guild systems were abolished at that time. Before that they were guilds of masons with an open and hidden part, and before that they were whatever a free association of specialized workers was named. | | Réponse
| | | Fetch, Do you know why I find this guy (the red one above the goddess head) everywhere I look for things that interrest me? I think the horns are not horns but his head and tail. Symbol: In the Esoteric Tradition it is synonymous for Adepts, or Initiates. In India and Egypt, and even in Central and South America, the Naga stands for one who is wise. Nagarjuna of India, for example, is shown with an aura, or halo, of seven serpents which is an indication of a very high degree of Initiation. Nagarjuna are called in Tibetan, Lu-trub. The symbolism of the seven serpents, usually cobras, are also on Masonic aprons of certain systems in the Buddhistic ruins of Cambodia (Ankhor) and Ceylon. In China, the Naga is given the form of the Dragon and has a direct association with the Emperor and is known as the "Son of Heaven" while in Egypt the same association is termed "King-Initiate". The Chinese are said to have originated with the Serpent demi-gods and even to speak their language, Naga-Krita. In the Western traditions we find the same ubiquity for the Naga, or Serpent. One simple example is the Ancient Greek Goddess, Athena. She is known as a warrior Goddess as well as the Goddess of Wisdom; her symbol being the Serpent as displayed on her personal shield. An apocryphal tradition says that Apollonius of Tyana, while on a visit to India, was taught by the "Nagas" of Kashmir. (See The Life of Apollonius, by Philostratos.) The Serpent's reputation for positive medicinal and/or life-preserving qualities is still present through seen the employment of the Caduceus. | | Réponse
| | | Instead of destroying my influence, Fetch (not, of course, that I have any) all you've done is to further destroy your own. snicker. | | |
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| | | Old Geek.. If you examine this "pictogram" very closely, what you will see is that that the appears as a "U" is really two "horns", which becomes the "English" Letter J. The outstretched arms of Isis is the Letter T, and the O in middle is the "sun". If you "cut" the horns at the base of the "U", this becomes the "Shen", aka, "The Cradle". In the "nursery rhyme" of Rock a by Baby as follows, Rock a by baby on the tree top when the wind blows the "cradle" will rock...leading to the "fall of the baby, cradle and all." This "nursery rhyme" is dealing with the allegorical links contained in the pictogram/statue you have posted. The "cradle" deals with the destruction of the Isisian Mysteries, with "Horus" as the "baby". Horus will morph into Moses and then later Jesus, with Horus and Osiris sharing common links in the mythology. The whole of Jewish Mysticism is to destroy what existed before. Profane Jewish concepts as Christianity and Judaism are the mechanism to ensure this destruction. So what you have are two forms of realities existing in parallel. You have a profane reality, which is akin to the nursury rhymes and what Mickeyrat seeks to put forwards as "the reality" wherein all else is "absurd and twisted facts", and then you have the Initiated reality, which is further layered and nuanced depending on the Initiated Orders design and purpose. All of this "knowledge" is then infused into both political tractates, philosophies, and concepts, as well as profane religions which are used as political powerbases. Judaism is a classic example of a religion being used as a political power base: no matter how vile Israeli society shows itself in the way in which it so cruelly treats fellow human beings, the message sent through religious leaders (which are really controlled political messages), are designed to support the more hidden political agendas. Returning to the pictogram. The "two J's" are set against the Winter Solstice in time sequencing. This way, the formula has absolute permanence independent of prevailing states of human intellectual development or education. This is a "marking point". The T then is the base level at which the Sun is measured in the Sky at Noon Zenith readings. This is what all this ancient Solar Worship was being predicated on... The U then is a designed archetype that says, "The Sun shall fall in the sky and come to rest on the 22nd of December and then on the 25th, there is a huge celebration for the "resurrected god", or the Sun, which became bastardised into Christmas (hence the old was destroyed". There is an under riding philosophy that is prevalent in the Initiated Orders as regards this day. It is known as "the wedding", which will be hinted at in Christian dogmas of the New Testament, wherein the New Testament itself is just one of another series if Initiated texts designed to deceive the lay and preserve the ancient formulas. This "wedding" is that the Sun as Osiris and the Earth as Isis come together at the Winter Solstice. The U of the pictogram is really two J's. The J's are then reversed and mirrored on themselves, to form a HEART. Before our resident apologists fume and rant that such is absurd, continue this phrase from Orthodox Kabballah. I got this information studying the Hebrew "Settler Movement", or "yeshiva", from the Chief Rabbi behind the current Israeli "settler" or "colonisation" of the indiginous peoples lands. In otherwords, it is all interlinked irregardless of what the Mickeyrats of the world want to complain when information is set forward which they know nothing about.
The Union of Mind and Heart The lamed is composed of a "neck" (a vav, whose upper tip is a yud) situated on a "body" (a chaf). The two "necks" of the two lameds ascend out of the heart (formed by the two "bodies" of the lameds) as do the two major blood vessels, which channel the life-force from the heart to the brain and from the brain to the heart. The two yuds at the tops of the lameds signify the two brains (i.e. the right and left cerebral lobes) of chochmah ("wisdom" and insight) and binah ("understanding" and integration). In addition, these two yuds allude to the two eyes, the two "antennae" of the heart, as it is said: "My heart has seen much wisdom and knowledge" (Ecclesiastes 1:16).
In otherwords, the 'Jewish Heart' is essentially describing the Isisian Pictogram of  , which is the allusion to the "two antennae". The Two Antennae become the "fallen ones" or the the Sun as it falls in the sky to the Winter Solstice, and the "risen ones", or the Sun as it arises to the Summer Solstice. The J backwards becomes the Alphabet "written backwards" and becomes what is now Judaeo inspired philosophies contained with the various Initiated Orders, while the J forward becomes the "Pagan influenced" yet still Judaeo controlled Initiated Orders. One is slightly less sinister than the other, while the former is one that is absolutely dark and is the main force right now in US political infrastructures.
The Pictogram Above is a code that says OTU. You simply stack the Letters into the Pictogram. Crowley would create what would be called the OTO..a slight modification to the formula. The TWO J's reverse form a HEART when mirrored on themselves. This is the exact same formula as is used to create "The Jewish Heart" "Face to Face"--the Secret of Bride and Groom The Torah, (the Divine knowledge) was given by G-d to the Jewish People while speaking to them "face-to-face." Moses escorted G-d, the cosmic groom, to his marriage to the Jewish People, the cosmic bride. His face, conveying G-d's word, the visible reflection of the Divine countenance, was directly parallel to the faces of the people. Both of these faces united, in the form of the Jewish Heart, aspiring upward to the invisible, infinite Divine essence. This union was like the union of a bride and groom, aspiring upwards together to receive the blessing of G-d, the "third partner" of marriage.
What seperates an 'Initiated one" and they who are less knowledgeable (to be courteous as it is designed to not enable simple transmission of knowledge of the systems of logic contained within) is the degree to which one will "go off in stupors of superstition". This Rabbi is perhaps one of the leading and most powerful of Rabbis in the Jewish world, and his influence on Israeli policies is profound to a degree that few can comprehend. He is, however, delusional, and transmits that delusion into Jewish dogma and thought as it exists, especially in the Settler movement and the current War on Iraq, which his group is behind. 9-11 is a "formula" from this group. It is. These people despise non-Jews to a degree that you cannot imagine. Hate is not a strong enough word. Their "symbol" is the "Heart" as designed by the Initiated Systems contained in this vein of thought, which is shown as follows: 
This 'HEART', however, is really the SUIT of SPADES, which is then allied with AIR and ISIS through a whole series of manipulations based on pure conquest. The "Queen of Spades" in the game of Hearts is called 'The Black Widow', and should you be able to "Shoot the Moon", you can capture all the points and thus set your enemies back the full value of the points in the "game". The Moon is tied to Isis and the Spade is akin to the Heart being "pierced" by a "wedge", or a division in the concept or philosophy. If you look at the Bishop of Canterbury's "necklace", or Neck adornment, you would see that it is a modified "Jewish Heart", or a Spade with the Sword all the way through the Heart. These types of symbols allow you to begin to decipher the various Initiated Orders that these various political or religious affiliates are linked to. The Republicans use a Donkey, which is linked to an Ass, which is linked to a Fundementalist (ultimately) powerbase set against Christian ideals, wherein Jesus rides in on an Ass. The Elephant is linked to Isisian components of the Initiated Systems, wherein the Heirophant is fused against ADONAI MELEKH. The "trunk" of the ELE PHANT is fused to the Casket of Osiris and is akin to the "Pagan Infrastructure" which spanned the globe prior to the existing paradigm. The ELE is a code set equally and it goes on and on and on.... The masses go about killing each other at the behest of they who pull the strings. This whole Iraqi War set and the Current increased level of Jewish (Israeli) criminal behaviour is all linked...and it the plans are in plain view they just need to be interpreted and set into the light for public analysis. Some, as Mickeyrat, feel that we shouldnt do that because in their words it is all absurd and nonsense...the problem is, even if he were accurate, they who believe what I am saying and use this logic and knowledge really dont care what anyone thinks so long as the killing continues. The Fetch | | Réponse
| | | By the way, Fetch, you should understand that I understand what the problem is. You think you're an initiate. But you're not. Because if you were, you would understand that far from the Jews controlling the world. It's actually blond haired people. And they are controlled by their Masters on Mars, who send messages to them coded to their hair color. (The recessive gene that causes blondness, if you knew the facts, is actually a nano-gene, a tiny little organic transceiver through which the Martians can communicate their messages.) Well, now, are you saying that's dumb? But, wait, Fetch, like you I have my evidence. Don't blonds always seem to be more powerful than other folks? Remember the Flavian Dynasty of Rome? Doesn't flavius mean blond (of course it does!). Remember the Plantagenets, arguably the most important dynasty in Western European history. What hair color was theirs? Uh-huh. You got it. Blond. What color hair did Hitler consider to be the sign of a master race? Uh-huh. Blond. In just the past few decades, how many blond Presidents have we had...Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, Dwight Eisenhow...uh-huh. All blonds. And all those blond jokes? Well, that's just a cover so we don't get too suspicious, like blonds are really dumb. And don't they say, "blonds have more fun"? Well might they, manipulating us poor dark haired humans like so many puppets. So, there you have it. It's not the Jews, but the blonds, who control the world. I have presented the evidence. Like your evidence, my evidence correlates to the thesis I've put forward. Refute the evidence if you can, prove that blonds don't really control the world. Just try and disprove it. You can't. And because it, just as your theory, is unprovable, then we need waste no more time on it. Or show me why your theory merits any greater attention than mine. | | |
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| | | mickeyrat, what fetch is saying is not dumb. It's hard to understand but not dumb. From my own researchs on the evolution of mathematic concepts in religious symbolism, I knew perfectly well what he was talking about. I asked him a question and his answer was full of relevant informations. Now I will ask him two questions about another past powerful symbol that was bastardized by Christianity and Judaism in the mechanism to ensure its destruction. Try to learn from his answers. Fetch, do you know what were the twelve totemic animals on the Zodiac? do you know what were the thirteen totemic plants on the original Zodiac? I ask this because I'm trying to find the origin of the tracks that were left by geeks of the past who, like the fool on the hill, saw the sun going down but with the eyes in their head saw the world spinning round. If you know the answers, they would be of great help to me. Here's one of their nursery rhyme. Twinkle, twinkle, little star,
How I wonder what you are.
Up above the world so high,
Like a diamond in the sky.
Twinkle, twinkle, little star,
How I wonder what you are!
When the blazing sun is gone,
When he nothing shines upon,
Then you show your little light,
Twinkle, twinkle, all the night.
Twinkle, twinkle, little star,
How I wonder what you are!
Then the traveler in the dark
Thanks you for your tiny spark;
He could not see which way to go,
If you did not twinkle so.
Twinkle, twinkle, little star,
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| | | what fetch is saying is not dumb. It's hard to understand but not dumb. Please understand, geek, I'm not dissing the question of numerological symbolism in either myth or history. Whether Joseph Campbell or Robert Graves (see "King Jesus" by the latter for an extensive analysis of numerological symbolism in the bible) it is well known that words and numbers can be coded specifically. That is, after all, how many cryptologists do their work. What I am dissing is that idea that there is some sort of conspiracy by which the "Jews control the world" and that it can be revealed through numerology. It can't. The best numerology can do--because different numerological systems can be applied to words--is to draw correlations. It can't demonstrate causation. But most important I am laughing at the utter idiocy of the idea for six thousand years there is this secret society controlling man and all his activities. Where do, for instance, the Chinese come into all of this? Are they also controlled by the Jews? And, if not, how to explain their biological and evolutionary success in world history? You see, I have no problem with someone's hobby. The study of numerology is interesting and fun. I study the Tarot, which I find interesting and fun. But I don't really run my life according to the spreads, and I feel sorry for anyone who runs his life based on what he thinks the numbers are telling him. | | Réponse
| | | Maybe there is indeed mickeyrat. You see, I've been looking into the proto-history ourobouros symbol. The symbol of eternal cycle. With every changes of that symbol shortly after apeared a philosophy/religious symbol that introduce the concept of dualism into the symbol. It has been going on for 6000 years at least. ourobouros was the ring, it means unicity of the universe. ourobouros was the wedding ring that was the symbol of the eternal union between humans and their creator. My understanding so far is it was created by the first astronomers that saw with the eyes in their head that the Milky Way was a ring around the world at the end of the visible universe. It was symbolised as a serpent bitting it's own tail. A serpent that bites its tail is no danger to a human. The ring at the end of the visible universe was there to protect all humans from the dangers of the invisible universe. ourobouros was the eye in the sky. ourobouros is the prototype of all mythological worms and dragons. You find it everywhere on earth, nagas in India, dragons in China, worms in Australia, the feathered serpent in America. It is one story, all humans are protected children of one benevolent creator. Not long afterward appears a twist to the story. It goes with the universe having to natures good/bad, positive/negative, masculine/feminine and so on. I call this dualism. It is the language of politicians and preachers it gives them the power to call the same action with two names. One when they do something to others and another one when the others do the same thing to them. Reread history. This art of dualism have indeed been going on for 6000 years. Fetch didn't say it was only practiced by the jews. Fetch didn't say it was practiced by all jews. Fetch only said the rulers of the Zionists are masters of that ancient art. | | Réponse
| | | geek, but what is the point of citing ouroboros? Of course certain motifs are going to reappear throughout history. No one denies that. Hell, I took a course in Folklore when I was in college. Who is going to argue that different peoples do not generate similar concepts? Not I. The point is though that extending those concepts to a question of "jewish domination of the world" is idiotic. It is idiotic because there is no way to substantiate it. I call this dualism And, geek, do you think you're the first to come up with the idea of a dualistic universe? You and everyone else calls it dualism, geek. And, forgive me, but I cannot see by any stretch of the imagination how the above turgidity that is your post in any way relates--unless you think that all esoteric matters are interrelated--to Fetch's claim that there is some sort of "jewish conspiracy". And if you do think all esoteric matters are interrelated, then you and I really have nothing to discuss. Reread history. To what purpose, geek? To discover the revealed truth? I don't think so boss, I've got better things to do with my time. Like tying and untying the shoelaces until my head bursts from all the blood collecting therein. I'll gain as much profit that way as I will engaging in silly discussions like this. This art of dualism have indeed been going on for 6000 years. Actually, no. It is only your claim that dualism can be found in the worm Ouroboros, geek. That is your interpretation of the worm. But that does not mean that that is what the original creators of the worm intended. You need to separate your interpretation, however attractive and presumably correct it might be, from the reality. The reality is that we have a symbol that appears widespread. The purpose of that symbol might well be dualistic in nature--but, then again, it might not be. I don't say that your statement that Ouroboros might be a dualistic symbol is wrong: merely that you can't make that as an assertion of fact, only one of interpretation. And there is a difference between the two. Fetch didn't say it was only practiced by the jews. Fetch didn't say it was practiced by all jews. Fetch only said the rulers of the Zionists are masters of that ancient art. No, that's not all "Fetch only said". You are focusing on the artistic aspects of it. Fine, have fun with it. I am focusing on the political aspects of his statements, which seem to have flown right by you. My problem with Fetch is that people like him do active harm to those of us who are interested in, say, finding out what really happened on 9/11. No-one is gonna take a bunch of crackpots seriously when we ask what happened, and if we have people running around trying to pretend that Isis and Dictys had anything to do with 9/11 then, justifiably so, people will shy away from the answers so as not to be named as one of the crackpots. This is why I wonder sometimes as to some posters' motivations. I have said it before, and will say it again, that the best way to defeat a conspiracy theory is too make it so ridiculous that no one is even interested in examining it for fear someone will tell them they need their head examined. It is one thing to ask questions of 9/11. It is quite another to tie 9/11 into some crackpot lunacy that would be better off being kept to oneself. Unless, of course, one wants to discredit any questions about 9/11, and has chosen this method of doing so. Which is what I think is going on. | | Réponse
| | The Fetch,
What Mickeyrat is suggesting is that, discussions about the history of political and religious elites is a subject in itself. A conspiracy theory about the nature of this continuing to the present day another subject. The questioning of the policy rationale governing of todays political elites yet another. While you may find a link arguable, those who may support you on the questioning of the Bush administrations policy, find it all unhelpful.
I can see this quite clearly as "Mickeyrat the Democrat" in action. Yet you think he is a pro state of Israel type like myself, having debated the matter with him, I can say you got that wrong. He's more the big tent Democrat wary that any incitement to anti-semitism is counter-productive to the USA he lives in.
As to Egyptian metaphor.
On the matter of the sun god blessing inside the earth goddess idea.
It is "Ra in Isis" as the father of Horus. The Sirius dog making a fallen star circle. The Egyptian heaven god is Shu, thus the child born to the earth goddess by Ra is "Shu Ra/Horus".
Shua "rosh" Hebrew for a salvation blessing birth hood. Y'Isis.
The Egyptian earth god was Geb - number (gimel beth) of Aha, thus heaven on earth in the rise of Geb/Aha to the Pharoah's throne. Aha rise = Shu Ra. The "heavenly sun" on the throne.
Den Adimu. Lightning falls on golden domes, m'burak. | | Réponse
| | | mickeyrat, I didn't say ourobouros was sign of dualism. I said ourobouros was sign of humanity being one under on creator. I said dualism have change the message. I must add to be clear that dualism had change the message so politicians and preachers can divide humanity to reign. Is it clearer now? Is it relevant to today's politics. Bush and his rethorics to do war in Iraq have invented nothing. The right-wingnuts preachers that are preaching for the Zionist's greater Israel have invented nothing. Those are the same plots that can be found in the Gilgamesh stories. The trick is to provoque dissonance between the two brain hemispheres by telling in the same phrase one thing to the logical discourse treatment and an oposite to the emotional discourse treatment. When I tell you how brave and strong you are while making you fear the opponent, I'm sure you won't rest until you beat the crap out of him. That's how it has been done for the lenght of historical time. Propaganda is an old art and science. It permits mass manipulation. The basic of it is teaching to the masses that there is a universal division between good and bad and that one must make that philosophical discrimination without knowing all the relevant facts but only by the look of it, the sound of it, the smell of it or the taste of it. Of course, in case of doubts, just follow blindly the religious/political leaders who have been illuminated by the truth from above. Amen! Alleluyah! BTW, the atheist Stalin has also reign with that same crap. | | |
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| | | Old Geek "gets it"...indeed when Old Geek brings up the following phrase, he essentially is saying what I am trying to get across in a form of discourse designed to speak to they who know what I am referring to (Initiated Orders more aligned in favor of the human race) and they who would like to begin to understand the hidden messages contained in political discourse, which Old Geek shares my perception of "things" have been structured. "Reread history. This art of dualism have indeed been going on for 6000 years. Fetch didn't say it was only practiced by the jews. Fetch didn't say it was practiced by all jews. Fetch only said the rulers of the Zionists are masters of that ancient art." My point in divulging information in the way that I do is to enable people to begin to see shades in what is presented as a "united Jewish front" wherein Jews are the victims. The truth is the reverse: they who are Zionists are using an Occultic system which in reality is causing immense harm to others. Palestine and Iraq are two such examples. The purges of 1933-45 were simply others in a long string. There is an artcraft to killing people. It is the ultimate secret of Political Philosophy as practiced today. However, we will address some of Mickeyrats "assertions" for those following this thread. The point is though that extending those concepts to a question of "jewish domination of the world" is idiotic. It is idiotic because there is no way to substantiate it. This statement is false...if we can show that the War against the Iraqi people and Jewish control of the United States Military and National Security infrastructure, then we show a form of defacto Jewish control. Perle, Wolfowitz, and others are running America through a National Security Cabal...a Cabal by definition is a state secret and thus to expect the "proof" to be in everyones face is absurd for the assumption that such would be. We are left to analyse policy statements and defact actions set against these policy statements. When you analyse, and I mean intellectually decipher the entire chain of events and the stories used to promote the American people and prompt them to support what was a fraud as was done in Iraq at the behest of known Jewish agents working in the United States government, then we have a basis for this concept to be further studied and eleucidated. Mickeyrat wishes to simply sweep the concept under the rug for reasons only he can tell..and those reasons are the same reasons provided by Zionist propaganda and media strategists. That makes people as Mickeyrat simply pawns and roadblocks who have not the creativity or the intelligence to solve squat, all the while preaching that they are the ones with the answers. They have nothing but protestations against that which they do not wish or have the ability to recognise. So Mickeyrat says to old Geeks comment..."Reread history" To what purpose, geek? To discover the revealed truth? I don't think so boss, I've got better things to do with my time. Like tying and untying the shoelaces until my head bursts from all the blood collecting therein. I'll gain as much profit that way as I will engaging in silly discussions like this. We could say "so you dont always sound like a moron"? Or, "so your diatribe would begin to have some semblance of relevance to what is going on in the world today", but such statements would bring us down to his level. The reason to reread history is simple: the world order isnt what it appears and thus the political process is not what it appears. The only way you will solve events as 9-11 is to understand the history which brought it about...and Mickeyrat is the last person the Republic should trust to try to solve what was a clear attack on Americans from American shores... At this stage...those of you who are following along should see this statement Actually, no. It is only your claim that dualism can be found in the worm Ouroboros, geek. That is your interpretation of the worm. But that does not mean that that is what the original creators of the worm intended. Excuse us? Of all people, and this is the crux of Mickeyrats rebuttel technique, is to simple try to take anothers persons understanding and knowledge of a subject and then say simple: That is your interpretation. First of all..and especially in my case...how does he know whose interpretation I am setting forward and does Mickeyrat really have the knowledge of this side of the Political process to even comment on what and whom an opinion is based on? Mickeyrat often will use this technique because as a general rule, it WORKS.. However...let me add with great clarity here..if someone is not willing to reread the history and rationally reevaluate the existing order..the such a person should be simply disqualified from your source list as a relevant and educated basis of opinion...Mickeyrat simply doesnt really know what he is talking about and is more akin to an "academic parrot"...the likes of which are easy to train and set loose in the world using the techniques I refer to. To Mickeyrats comments... Fetch didn't say it was only practiced by the jews. Fetch didn't say it was practiced by all jews. Fetch only said the rulers of the Zionists are masters of that ancient art. No, that's not all "Fetch only said". You are focusing on the artistic aspects of it. Fine, have fun with it. I am focusing on the political aspects of his statements, which seem to have flown right by you. My problem with Fetch is that people like him do active harm to those of us who are interested in, say, finding out what really happened on 9/11. No-one is gonna take a bunch of crackpots seriously when we ask what happened, and if we have people running around trying to pretend that Isis and Dictys had anything to do with 9/11 then, justifiably so, people will shy away from the answers so as not to be named as one of the crackpots. First of all..."who really are the crackpots"? That is for you to decide. Do all of you really think Mickeyrat has an absolute handle on the breadth of my knowledge and the methods through which I present the information? Does Mickeyrat even have the ability to ascertain that my words are designed to speak to numerous layers of our society, INCLUDING THOSE IN THE INITIATED and ELITE REALMS to begin to mobilise and thus use their channels and resources to bring the 9-11 to light and smash the conspirators who were behind such? DO people really think that Mickeyrat has the ability to communicate on such levels? I dare say that if Mickeyrat wants to prance around and pretend that his "methods" will somehow solve the issue behind 9-11, I would add that he would not even be taken serious in the more elite realms. He cant even see the unbroken chain of the Initiated Orders through time, as if these priests, et al, somehow vanished from the world scene and ceased playing a role in the affairs of mankind. Who is he really kidding? Not those of us who know better. Then Mickeyrat draws his conclusion: Unless, of course, one wants to discredit any questions about 9/11, and has chosen this method of doing so. Which is what I think is going on. Ask yourself: Who is really the one doing the "discrediting"? It is Mickeyrat..plain and simple....so go figure.. The Fetch | | Réponse
| | | "You should understand that I understand what the problem is. You think you are an Initiate."" Mickeyrat.. Really now? Should I really understand that you understand? What is it you really think you understand? The Fetch Seriously, though, Mickeyrat is far from someone even remotely educated on these matters to even be discussing them, and his insinuations are just more blind attacks amounting to mere stabs in the air with toothpick which perhaps he feels is a sharp cutting sword. So Mickeyrat...you have already dismissed so much information I have presented that at this stage of the game, I am not so sure you really are even aware of what it is you are speaking about. All of your childish innuendos are actually rooted in various Initiated Orders...of which I speak about...yet hardly support. The difference between you and I is that I provide the actual historical references. When this is done, it all leads back to Jewish controlled theories. That is where you have the problem, for you cannot fathom that Jewish people would create theories ultimately designed to harm Jewish people. Hence, I am not impressed with Racial ideas, be it Aryan or Jewish. They are both using the same coin. Depends on what side you are looking at. Hence we see your attempts at seeking to discredit me as simply digressing into silly discourse without a semblance of tie-in to political philosophy or thought. Your assertions that my words are "silly and absurd" are rejected out of hand. If there are those here who wish to follow your lead, that is their right and I do not wish to detract from their wishes: you, on the otherhand, are making your name by simply attacking me personally without even having the education to follow the presentation. Please feel free to continue, but at this stage, I would be more impressed if you treated my work as "the bore" that you claimed earlier and thus go off with the masses and play with your ideas to your hearts content. The Fetch | | Réponse
| | | I am curious..as a "spot check" to and there will be no attempts to ridicule any respondents to this question... Do you agree with Mickeyrat that my presentation has destroyed my influence and the information that I have provided as well as the theories contained within? We already know who the detractors are..so dandog, bawki(a)sh, and mickeyrat we already in agreement that this is indeed so? Any others? The Fetch | | Réponse
| | | Old Geek.. Thank you for your recognition of the information that has been presented. Indeed, only those with a "level of education" have the ability to discern the relevance of the information that I presented. Equally, unlike those that are Initiated, I seek to "release" information that otherwise is not available to the public at large, and even the Initiated Orders at large. How I know what I know is not for me to have to explain..only that what when I speak I speak of truths that are self evident. Further, I am impressed with your knowledge of linking "nursery rhymes" with what came before. Very very few people are able to comprehend this. I could give examples of people in this community and even this thread, but it is a waste to even recognise what is really foolishness. The Totem "Poles" are not something I have studied directly, spending the vast amount of my time in Jewish-Masonic related concepts as this is the problem we have at this point in time. Regarding the 12 and the 13...there is a whole range of archetypes associated with the 12, but perhaps this will assist you to break through the fog and myst. Odin is said to have "spied the runes" and "hung on the tree for 9 days and 9 nights". Take the Tarot 12, or the Hanged Man, whose legs will be folded in a "4". The Runes or the Letters is the key, for if you take the T at the Winter Solstice as described, and you spin the Letter T 180 degrees on its axis, you create the Letter L. You are said to be "holding" the "left" of the base of the T when it is spun. There is a reason for this when you take the Letters and fuse them against what Plutarch called 'The Soveriegn Number". Plutarch adds in the "The E at Delphi", Chapter 2, "..it seems only natural that the greater part of the god should be concealed in riddles, and should call for some account of the wherefore and an explanation of its cause". In otherwords, the "riddles" as defined as the "myths" shall have an underlying purpose designed to lead you back to "the god", which is the "sovereign number" set against a philosophy of math and sound and letter clearly evident over 700 years before the Jews would release their purported "Sephir Yetzirah", or "Book of Formations". In regards to the L being a T (and this knowledge the source of the very word LT(ER), or the profane LETTER, we know that this is set against the Winter Solstice. Thus the L is a T followed by a U, and this knowledge would become further encoded as the L-U Cipher, which would then be hidden into the stories of "LUCIFER". There is a mathematical reason for the above equally, which I shall not get into. Now consider "Odin" hanging on the Tree for 9 days and 9 nights. The Illuminatus System works of key numbers 1/13/26. Thus the 22 Letters of the Hebrew are addendums are are subject to the 1/13/26. The "vowels", as in a "vow" of silence, where in Silene is the Goddess of the Moon and the Occult is linked to the Moon and Isis equally, and it is the Vowels that are said to the be the "5 Gods", wherein A is Osiris (and Odin as the One Eyed God), E is Horus, I (the One) is Set/Jehovah/Typhon, O is the Goddess, or Isis, and U is Nepthys, acquainted with the Underworld...of which it is the Letter U that is being invoked in the word U(nder). Remember the word (E)ND.... What happens is that the Rabbinical priests who are aware of this code set set about in the aeons of history to destroy all knowledge that came before. They brag about this in their Torat. Thus the "gods" would be removed, and a non-vowel system would be set in place against a mathematical matrix equally. Since we have 22 Letters, it is said that the ONLY GOD is the ONE GOD, but this is known to be an allusion to the Letter I, itself having a value of 1. It is the Diameter in the Code. This is further set against GEOMETRY and GEMATRIA, both words sharing the Root Consonants of GMT, which links you back to the Earth time sequencing as alluded to also in Twinkle Twinkle Little Star. Your premise that the Ancients "saw the sun going down but the world going round" is alluding to this Geometrical philosophy. (A side note....the Song Let It Be, is an achrostic for BTL, while Mother Mary is Isis, and the design in the Code is that B=R, and thus the BTL's is an achrostic code for LETTERS, or BTL=LT(B=R)=LETTER). Alright...you have Odin hanging on this TREE, a tree built on GEOMETRY and GEMATRIA. He spends 9 days and 9 nights. The 12 Tarot of the Hanged Man is this story (poem). | A | B | C | D | E | F | G | H | I | J | K | L | M | N | O | P | Q | R | S | T | U | V | W | X | Y | Z | | | | 9 | 8 | 7 | 6 | 5 | 4 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | | | | | | Your "Letters" are now the Letters C/L/U/ and T, which is the Number 4 in their code system for the Egyptian Letter D (rotated 90 degrees as the sunrise) is the Egyptian sound of T...to form the word (O)CULT, or the Occult... Again...they who are running the world are using Occultic priniciples set in a system before the rise of Judaeo-Christianity, twisted it, perverted it..and we are where we are today.. More to come on this to conclude it | | |
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| | The point is though that extending those concepts to a question of "jewish domination of the world" is idiotic. It is idiotic because there is no way to substantiate it.--mickey This statement is false...if we can show that the War against the Iraqi people and Jewish control of the United States Military and National Security infrastructure, then we show a form of defacto Jewish control. Perle, Wolfowitz, and others are running America through a National Security Cabal...a Cabal by definition is a state secret and thus to expect the "proof" to be in everyones face is absurd for the assumption that such would be.--fetch No, fetch. You're wrong. Even if you were correct as to the Cabal, and we can agree that they call themselves that, you still cannot make the logical connection between them and this occult tradition about which you are so enamored. It is a theory. But that's all it is. I can take the same situation, in which a group of Jewish-Americans are pretty much being given control of American foreign policy in the Middle East and posit a completely different, equally valid, reason for it happening. For instance, it may be something as simple as the Republican Party, having for so long lacked the support of Jewish Americans, and being desirous of that funding which the group has long provided the Democrats, it could be simply that the Republicans are doing every they can to get Jewish support in the future elections. This is especially possible in light of the fact that the Palestinian cause has stirred up some excitement amongst leftwing Democrats, and such Democrats are beginning to cause a split in the party with its traditional base of pro-Israel supporters. What better time for the Republicans to prove that they are safer on the question of Israel, now and in the future, than are the Democrats, and what better way to accomplish this than by basically turning over to Perle Wolfowitz and others the right to formulate American policy in that area? Now, I don't claim that my interpretation of events is right. I do claim, however, that it is equally valid with yours. Since either interpretation is valid, then logically you can't claim that you have "proven" the connection between this six thousand year old "occult" conspiracy and events of today. We could say "so you dont always sound like a moron"? Or, "so your diatribe would begin to have some semblance of relevance to what is going on in the world today", but such statements would bring us down to his level. Oh, wounded I am by the bludgeon-like wit of Fetch's tongue. Trust me, Fetch, from the viewpoint of most rational folks, brining you back down to earth is something devoutly to be desired. First of all..and especially in my case...how does he know whose interpretation I am setting forward and does Mickeyrat really have the knowledge of this side of the Political process to even comment on what and whom an opinion is based on? Mickeyrat often will use this technique because as a general rule, it WORKS.. It works, fetch, in this case not because it is any technique, but, simply, because you are not offering us your opinion. You believe you are offering facts. If you want to state an opinion, Fetch, that's your right. But when you tell us that it is a factual matter that such and such means such and such, and that it is a factual matter that Jews have been involved in an occult conspiracy for 6,000 years to oppress the rest of us, then you need to offer us facts, and not your interpretation. You interpreted, for instance, that amulet above. But you have not documented your claim as to what it meant. But you don't get away with that game. If you want to establish that that amulet means what you say it does, then you need to show us how you arrived at that interpretation. And that means not "thousands of hour of study of occult books", which are themselves but interpretations, but, rather, archeological confirmation from digs and the like, historical or epigraphical sources that detail the purpose of those amulets, and so on and so forth. Those are the sort of things that establish what that amulet meant, fetch, not some idlers inspiration as to the "occult" meaning of them. And, if, as is often the case, we don't have the evidence to establish the truth one way or another, then anyone with an ounce of integrity, and intelligence, recognizes that the best we can do is to offer interpretations. Which brings me back to my question above. You wish to interpret world history in the light of a Jewish occult conspiracy. I wish to interpret it in the light of Martians controlling blonds. Since you can't prove my evidence wrong, and since you can't prove my construction of that evidence into a Martian conspiracy, why is my conspiracy any less likely than yours to be true? It isn't, is it? And what I'm trying, in absolute vain effort, to get across to you is that you don't do any good by advancing these theories which, even if they were, you can never prove. If you really believe that Israel and Jews control the world, or even if you believe that they just have too much influence, the way to combat them is to offer items that are factual, that can be checked and demonstrated, and that can be used in an argument to make your point. But this occult b.s. is just that, b.s. And I can't believe you can't see that. Which is why I am suspicious of your motives. If I wanted to defeat a conspiracy theory, if I wanted to squelch any question into 9/11, I would, among other things, do my level best to have such questions characterized as the maunderings of crackpots. And that's exactly what you've accomplished, at least on this board. The only question is whether you were too blind to see what you were doing, or whether, in fact, you did it purposefully. | | Réponse
| | | The proper way to channel, or diagram this concept is to begin at the O (or the 0), draw a line to the C, draw a Line to the U, draw a line to the L, then complete by drawing a line below to form your T. Reconsider your "Isis" with "spread wings" now that you have the actual wireframe. Set this example back against Judaeo-Christian programming where "the woman", a reference to Isis and the Serpent (as the sun's apparent movement in the sky at Noon Zenith readings), as being "evil", and their insinuation that "magic" is "evil", and you have the bulk of the Myth (riddle) solved. You also have a race (human race) void of the knowledge as to how this works on mind through archetypical symbols and they are thus prey to the "Wolves". Now take the word TWELVE. Divide it in half. TWE
LVE Sum the E at 5 (1+2+3+4+5=15 = O Letter) Substitute (Sephirotic paths) TWO
LVO Spin your T..to form your L..TWO becomes LWO..or the OWL which is in the upper right hand crest of the Unites States Dollar Bill. Who is TWO, or the OWL? The Number 2 of the TAROT (opposed to TORAT) is the High Priestess. Who is the High Priestess? Isis...Speech..the Spoken Word. What is the SPOKE, but a radius, and thus the 1 is implied in the word SPOKE..leaving the WORD to the the Circumference, or Pi. Now recombine: TWOLVE(S)... The Protocols of Zion states very clearly.."We are Wolves"...and then use the Snake (or Isis) as its emblem. The OWL is the sign of the Occult (the word is a cipher for OCCULT), and the WOLVE is the opposing aspect of the OWL, all encoded and fused in the word TWELVE = TW(O)LVE. This information allows you to begin to piece together the various Occultic organs in play. Since the WOLVE is set against the OWL (akin to the pattern of the TAROT opposed to the TORAT, this then brings you to another "nursery tale", or that of the 3 Little Pigs. The Pigs are the prior orders of knowledge racing around in opposition to Jehovah/Set/Typhon, which manifests as Judaeo-Christian-Islam. The Pig (referenced in the Torat and reviled in the Torat) is the Pagan systems of learning. The First Pig builds his house out of Straw...the WOLF (WOLVES) huffed and puffed (spoke) and through manipulation of humanity blew the house down...this Straw is the Reeds is the Papyrus is the Egyptian System. The Second Pig builds his house out of Wood. The Wood is set against a "table" or the idea of "tablets". Thus the systems contained in Judaism were destroyed by they who "huffed and puffed", and the House of Tablets, or "wood" (which includes the main of the Middle East including the Sumerian and Babylonian) was destroyed. The Third Little Pig was the whole of European Paganism. This pig built his house out of Bricks. This harks back to a 3rd Century joke about Jesus who, it was said, was so scorned by his teachers that for his selfish and arrogant attitude, was dismissed. Dejected, he went home, and worshipped a brick as his teacher (the Wailing Wall). Thus the European Pagans preserved their information in the Brick, or the Christian teachings by staying one step ahead of the wolf. The wolf decided to "go down the Chimney"..the parallel to Santa Claus..or Satans Claws, and thus the Pig devoured the Wolf. This is the Communion..or a form of Cannibalistic magic ritual still practiced to this day. Although the "knowledge" was preserved, it came with a price. The Pig became the Wolf. This is the linking of current Masonry and current Judaic mysticism as Kabballa, et al..and this places you back in time and space and what is going on in Iraq. The United States, as designed to be a haven for they who had knowledge (the Occult via the Masons), never calculated the harm that would entail by devouring the Wolf, or incorporating Jewish magic into their rituals. Masonry has become as "the Wolf"..and thus the elite of America acts and behaves as if they are essentially Jewish elitists who as we can see by Israel and through the Zionist movement, have utter contempt for human life in general. So if the T is the Pagan side of the Formula...13 letters later will be the Letter G..or Masonry, allied with the Jewish (Wolf) sects. T U V W X Y Z A B C D E F G There are now 12 Letters between the T and the G..the G becomes 13, wherein there are 13 weeks between T (the Solstice) and G the Equinox. The use of GMT as a timing sequence is preserving this knowledge (staying one step ahead of the wolf). This provides you with some of the underlying knowledge regarding Twinkle Twinkle Little Star. First a view of the Macro of the Formula. Convert Twinkle to caps..TWINKLE.. The TWIN is the sign of Gemini..or the Greek Letter Pi, which becomes known as "The Sovereign Number", and is clearly evident in the Seal of MIV, or British Intelligence. There are TWO geometric matrices which when combined form a GEM, and this is known as "The Diamond". The first geometric desing or matrix is euphemistically referred to as "the Garden of Eden", while the other matrix is the Ephemistically known as "The Tree of Life", or the Kabballistic Tree. However, everything is inverted. The Tree of Life is really the Cherub and the Flaming Sword. CHERUB is a cipher for CUBE and is said to be the Dreidle. CHERUB = 3+8+5+18+21+2 = 57 = 4+18+5+9+4+12+5 = DREIDLE How this system is then broken apart and used is only told "in the night", or within the Initated Orders, and only to they who are "seekers", or "travellers in the night", which is a reference back to the Moon and the Occult. The "BLAZING SUN" is a reference to Typhon, who, it is said, is "overpowering" and thus is "blazing"..this deals with the over zealous nature of they who are both of the Occult and allied with Typhon Set Jehovah, as well as his movements, which include the Judaeo-Christian-Islam concept. Hence this knowledge is rarely brought "into the light" due to the overpowering nature of ignorance under the spell of the "blazing sun", as defined above. Thus the Gem, or this Geometrical pattern set against Geometry, is known as "that which guides", for when you know the whole, you are said to be "divinely guided". What we have today is a sect of people who have access to this information and equally believe they are divinely guided and yet in truth have perverted the teachings that are contained within. The Pig devoured the Wolf..and thus you cannot tell who is who. The Fetch | | |
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