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| | | From: Aprilborn (Original Message) | Sent: 1/11/2004 10:21 PM |
Matthew 4
The Temptation of Jesus
8Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. 9"All this I will give you," he said, "if you will bow down and worship me."
10Jesus said to him, "Away from me, Satan! For it is written: 'Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.' Footnotes This one have impressed me since young age. I've been linking it to many archetypal ritual 3 phases fights for life and death The 3rd phase is the final blow, the one intended from the start. The first 2 are for the show and the edification of the masses. (see the rituals of a corrida) So the strongest blow of the tempter was power over "all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor". How could the devil promise it if it was not his to give? And Jesus had no problem admiting that, his problem was with the worshiping part of the deal. Can we conclude that all secular power over earthly kingdoms is a blessing of the tempter and not a blessing of -O-? | |
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| So the strongest blow of the tempter was power over "all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor". How could the devil promise it if it was not his to give? Observant and logical as always Geek, good question. | Reply
| | "god of this world" (II Corinthians 4:4); the "prince of the power of the air"(Ephesians 2:2); that powerful, fallen archangel (Revelation 12:9) | | Reply
| | | the tempter could promise it because it is his to promise, if not then what did jesus mean when he said, be in the world, not of it. jerry | | Reply
| | the tempter could promise it because it is his to promise, if not then what did jesus mean when he said, be in the world, not of it. jerry, this makes sense and it also explains the bad things that we see in the world. Who was Jesus Christ? If Jesus was GOD, then was it impossible for Him to sin? If He was human, could He have sinned? If Jesus Christ was only human he could not have paid the penelty for ALL of Human kind. The first verse in the Bible says, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth," (Genesis 1:1), verse 26, "And God said, ‘Let US make man in OUR image…�? Now the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23). Sin is the breaking of God's Ten Commandments (I John 3:4). The penalty of sin is the death penalty of a human life! Sin is not eternal life, though eternal life in an everburning "hell fire" for the wages of sin is death. Sin requires a penalty, otherwise God would compromise with His law, which is "holy, and just, and good" (Romans 7:12) "But Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death (the penalty for sins), crowned with glory and honor; that He by the grace of God should taste death for every man" (Hebrews 2: 9). "Forasmuch then as the children (of God) are partakers of flesh and blood, He also Himself likewise took part of the same; that through death He might destroy (counterwork) him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; "And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. "For verily He took not on Him the nature of angels; but He took on Him the seed of Abraham. "Wherefore in all things it behoved Him to be made like unto His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people" (Hebrews 2:9-18). | | |
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| | | so i see a fourth temptation.we also see a fifth on the cross. jerry, Those are temptations from the flesh, they didn't meant Jesus had to lose his faith in the father, they meant he was afraid of the task. You should know, it comes to most soldiers before a risky combat and it doesn't mean that they would join the enemy. They cannot be compare to the tempter's offering of unlawful power and glory over his fellow brothers and sisters. | | Reply
| | | And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. cath, Do you know of any power on earth that do not reign without the fear of death that is maintain by their armed forces. May it be army, police or executioner? What is the death penality for? Execpt to maintain people lifetime subject to bondage into a political system. That why many believed, in Jesus time, that the messiah would bring them deliverance from the bondage of the Roman Empire. But it was not our body's bondage Jesus came to free us of. It was our spirit's bondage to men's rules. | | Reply
| | | geek, yes they were temptations of the flesh, including the temptation you cited in your lead post, and all still are temptations of the flesh right here, right now. let us view jesus as a god that took human form, why take that form, why not employ the format used for abraham, issac, and jacob. why not use the form shown to moses, and the prophets of old? in my mind, i see the human form used for relation, as a why for those not of the priesthood to understand i am the way and the light, suffer the little children to come unto me, not just words written, and directed, but the words coming alive, speaking, and walking, and teaching. MY KINGDOM IS NOT OF THIS WORLD, stated before pilate, again, i am in this world but not of it. so what do we see, the absolute proof that the spirit is willing , yet the flesh contains weakness. that weakness is clearly demonstrated by his own temptations. yet he goes where few have tread, he gives up being in the world at the hand of those of it, to DEMONSTRATE THE DIFFERENCE THEREIN. does this make him god to me, no it does not, but if ever there was irrefutable proof that god is, it was the life and loss of the life of yeshua bar yosef. i take me solace and joy in that, i owe this man more than i ever could possibly pay back. jerry | | Reply
| | That why many believed, in Jesus time, that the messiah would bring them deliverance from the bondage of the Roman Empire. But it was not our body's bondage Jesus came to free us of. It was our spirit's bondage to men's rules. Yes Geek, I agree... The question arises "What IS the "Kingdom of God"? John records, "Now both the chief priests and the Pharisees had given a commandment, that, if any man knew where He were, he should shew it, that they might take Him!" (John 11:57). This was just before the final Passover, and Jesus' ultimate crucifixion After John was cast into prison, Jesus began to preach "...and to say, Repent! For the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand!" (Matthew 4: 17). But repent of what...? "Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption!" (I Corinthians 15:50). Please also see Re:2:26: 29 Rev 20:4 Did Jesus Christ overcome Satan to replace him for a place in the future �?on this earth ? | | |
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| | | PS. It was our spirit's bondage to men's rules....should this not rather mean Satans rule ? ...the "prince of the power of the air" (Ephesians 2:2) | | Reply
| | | should this not rather mean Satans rule ? ...the "prince of the power of the air" (Ephesians 2:2). cath, Matthew The Parable of the Weeds 13:24 He presented them with another parable:35 “The kingdom of heaven is like a person who sowed good seed in his field. 13:25 But while everyone was sleeping, an enemy came and sowed weeds36 among the wheat and went away. 13:26 When37 the plants sprouted and bore grain, then the weeds also appeared. well I haven't put a anthropomorphic face unto the enemy. Should I name it BaD or FaD or MaD or SaD surely not GaD or GLaD. Some said it was the A like in Api the first vowel, some said it was the O. Many affirmed it is playing with the vowels that one do calls the spirits, the consonants being there for the musicality only and that the music is for the memory. For me if the devil is a spiritual enemy, he cannot be of the air nor the earth nor the water nor the fire. So I'll stick with rules of men like Jesus said. Matthew 15:9 and they worship me in vain, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’�?/FONT>14 When men command against the commandments of -O-, my guess it is from the seeds of the enemy who does not command but offer command over all nations and their splendor in exchange for whorshipement. | | Reply
| | | jerry, firepower has two faces. - Weakness of the flesh, fear of death will make one use firepower to kill an armed agressor.
- Seeds of the enemy will make me use fear of firepower against many unarmed people so I gain control/power over their mind.
We could say the same for many powers | | Reply
| | well I haven't put a anthropomorphic face unto the enemy. Should I name it BaD or FaD or MaD or SaD surely not GaD or GLaD. Some said it was the A like in Api the first vowel, some said it was the O. Many affirmed it is playing with the vowels that one do calls the spirits, the consonants being there for the musicality only and that the music is for the memory. Geek, Jesus Christ doesn’t want us to condemn others, but he wants us to search out our own hearts... M't:15:19: For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: M't:15:20: These are the things which defile a man These are the things that are in contradiction to "Gods laws".... | | |
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| | | Eph:2:1: And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
Eph:2:2: Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Eph:2:3: Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
Eph:2:4: But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
Eph:2:5: Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) Eph:2:7: That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
Eph:2:8: For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph:2:9: Not of works, lest any man should boast. Eph:2:12: That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Eph:2:13: But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Eph:2:14: For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Eph:2:18: For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Eph:2:19: Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
Eph:2:20: And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; Eph:3:6: That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel: Eph:3:9: And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: Eph:4:1: I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,
Eph:4:2: With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
Eph:4:3: Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
Eph:4:4: There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Eph:4:5: One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Eph:4:6: One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. Eph:4:14: That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
Eph:4:15: But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: Eph:4:31: Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
Eph:4:32: And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
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| | | Joh:1:1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh:1:2: The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh:1:3: All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Joh:1:4: In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
Joh:1:5: And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
Joh:1:6: There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
Joh:1:7: The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
Joh:1:8: He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
Joh:1:9: That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
Joh:1:10: He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
Joh:1:11: He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
Joh:1:12: But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Joh:1:13: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Joh:1:14: And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Joh:1:15: John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
Joh:1:16: And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
Joh:1:17: For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
Joh:1:18: No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
Joh:1:19: And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou?
Joh:1:20: And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ.
Joh:1:21: And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.
Joh:1:22: Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself?
Joh:1:23: He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias.
Joh:1:24: And they which were sent were of the Pharisees.
Joh:1:25: And they asked him, and said unto him, Why baptizest thou then, if thou be not that Christ, nor Elias, neither that prophet?
Joh:1:26: John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not;
Joh:1:27: He it is, who coming after me is preferred before me, whose shoe's latchet I am not worthy to unloose.
Joh:1:28: These things were done in Bethabara beyond Jordan, where John was baptizing.
Joh:1:29: The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
Joh:1:30: This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me.
Joh:1:35: Again the next day after John stood, and two of his disciples;
Joh:1:36: And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God! | | |
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