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| | | From: Trippp6 (Original Message) | Sent: 6/30/2004 8:11 AM |
I'm goin to let my age define my ignorance, and ask the question what is a Metacriticis? "If a Question is posed and an answer is given than a teacher you may be" |
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| | | From: _susan_ | Sent: 6/30/2004 4:32 PM |
| it requires some time to explain what i mean by the term. right now, i am at work and cannot answer you as i would like. later on that. meanwhile, i find your poetry superior. have you ever been published? it is obvious you write all the time. take care posting too many at once, it makes it difficult to respond with any intelligence. susan |
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| | | From: Trippp6 | Sent: 6/30/2004 6:22 PM |
Thanks for the compliment, thats is very nice of you. I just turned six-teen, and wouldn't no where to begin to try to get published, I actually just started writing this past year, when I took creative writing in school and found that i could voice my oppinions and emotions in such a way, and should i know all the poets that every one mentions in here, cause as of yet the only one that know anything about is E.A. Poe, and as far as the posting goes, I'll slow down and not post as many, thankz again for your help. |
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| | | From: _susan_ | Sent: 6/30/2004 9:27 PM |
Before I answer your question, let me say that if I were to teach poetry -and I don't claim to be a teacher- I'd want each and every student to have a handful of books in their library to begin. 1/ Let the student browse in a bookstore or in the local library for a small collection of poems that (s)he may carry wherever (s)he goes. It can be a pocketbook of one author's work, or an anthology of many authors. The important point is that the poetry speak to readers and in some way moves them, or makes them think, or expresses some truth, or immediate beauty that makes them hold onto the words. Recently, I received a small anthology that I have not opened until now called, Poems of New York. Something like this might fill the bill for you. I re-read the poems of Poe from time to time, but I first introduced myself to Poe many years ago - when I was younger than you - by reading his stories. De Maupassant was another favorite; although I don't believe I read all ten volumes. Many young people are enamoured with Pablo Neruda these days - but his complete works would not fit in a breast pocket and it would be too heavy for a bag. There are choices, however, for selected poems. We do have a page here where you may sample some works: Poetic LifeLines, never finished, and I am very, very slowly building another page called, The Poet's Poet. The links on the Home Page will give you a taste of additional poets as well. 2/ A solidly put-together Anthology is a must. The Norton Anthology of Poetry is, I think, the best of its kind. From cover to cover, every century is represented with the 'great' poets. It is edited with care - more than one editor is involved in choosing. The appendices are useful too. One for Versification, one for Biogragraphical data. You can't get lost with the Index either. 3/ Choose a book of essays in criticism: whether it be Francis Bacon, T.S. Eliot, Harold Bloom, or someone else. These you must thumb through to see which one makes sense for you - although opinions opposing yours are helpful. In the end, it is all only a matter of opinion. 4/ I rarely use this book, but for your question today I will return to it: The New Princeton Encyclopedia of Poetry and Poetics. What could be better than to have an encyclopedia at hand? 5/ Your Dictionary. Make sure it's a good one. I much prefer a detailed dictionary than a thesaurus, or anything that does not give you the history of a word.
Now, I need a break - but I will return to your question about Metacriticism. Susan |
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| | | From: _susan_ | Sent: 7/1/2004 6:39 AM |
Originally this Board was set up to accomplish the following. Please note, that my concept of Metacriticism has changed over the last 4 years:
On this board, if you choose to do so, you may post a poem that you wish to have fully evaluated and critiqued. All critiques should be constructive of course. This board may be used for Poetic Discourse relating to: Literary Criticism, History, Theory, Analysis, Questions, and all aspects of Critical Thinking, Reasoning & Philosophy. In other words, the heavy-duty stuff. In addition of course, any comments and criticism on works posted will maintain a helpful focus on all the basics of poetry. Susan, Manager
The Poets' Place As always, thanks to a member for the "Critiques Please" idea.
since then, as always, i have looked and looked for a way to define this term.
if, since giving you the short list of books, you have run out and bought yourself a copy of The New Princeton Encyclopedia of Poetry and Poetics, and read the article on Metacriticism, you will see that the discourse has hardly begun. so, i go back to the word itself, and why i chose it -- meta -- is from both the greek and the latin -- and to sum it from my viewpoint, it digs in to what lies between or beyond -- such as metabolism, metagalaxy. it is an examination of the microcosm & microscopic to the macrocosmic universals of poetry and poetics. it does not necessarily agree with accepted thought, but rather it questions thought, it questions the whole form of poetry and its aesthetics. we must always question, and it is not to our benefit to be 100% sure all of the time, because there is no way we can predict the future - of trends, of culture, of industrial or agricultural development, of serendipitous crossings, of anything..of anything.. Metacriticism may possibly be summed as the problems inherent in Theory & Criticism. this Board is what you make of it. it is what you want it to be. there is room, much room for dissent and discourse, of course. i am not sure i have answered your question, but you have made me think.
and that is a good thing. susan
maybe more tomorrow.... |
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| | | From: Trippp6 | Sent: 7/1/2004 9:13 AM |
It wouldn't be too stupid of me to say that it is disecting and annalyzing a poem or any piece of literature to it's most basic form and than finding the more universal meanings with in it. Again I am going to use my age in my defense where it concerns my ignorance, I'm also afraid that i won't be able to get away with that for much longer. As for The New Princeton Encyclopedia, I don't have one but i do have a Websters Dictionary, Thanks for being patient with me. |
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| | | From: _susan_ | Sent: 7/2/2004 3:20 AM |
XCVIII
Have henna design
on the inside of right palm;
No can write tonight. (susan) |
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| | | From: _susan_ | Sent: 7/3/2004 7:41 AM |
Webster's is good. :-) i have a big fat webster's -- heavy as hell. but it's old. :-( yes, this board is to discuss the basics, and the meanings of poems. of course, that's stepping right into the muck as soon as you snap your fingers & say:
What is poetry? doh. i'm sure you'll find that age -any age- is not a defense. but good thing this isn't a court of law, where ignorance would not be a defense at all. susan |
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Although they are difficult to come by nowadays, I prefer the Webster's Unabridged. At least fifty percent of the English language is largely unused, and that is very sad, considering the boundless opportunities for self-expression afforded by the neglected portion of the language. |
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| | | From: _susan_ | Sent: 7/16/2004 1:05 AM |
that's what i have. the webster's unabridged. ol' guy, but useful. 1961, second edition. still intact. susan |
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