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From: MSN Nicknamekarasukokoro  (Original Message)Sent: 5/8/2008 6:36 AM
i've come over here from there in hopes that some of the fastidious regulars to this board will bring me up to speed. this is a slightly edited version.
 
Easier to submit and pet the cat
In doing so his eyes no longer haunt
Except that he is never satisfied
Though I stay awake with him at night
He brings along his brother who's the same
The two of them paw and tug and whine
In the bed that seems too small for all
If I could dream I'd gladly take them with
Along the rocky outskirts we could roam
They shy away from sleep when I'm around
Self-flattery it is to think them mine
When all along they've had a simple plan
To see me fly away and leave this bed
Gaining for themselves more room to stretch.
 
-ateto mort 
5/8/2008


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From: _susan_Sent: 5/8/2008 6:54 AM
ah.  i see.
ok.
work on punctuation in meantime.
 
night.
s.

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From: _susan_Sent: 5/8/2008 9:58 PM
i will be repetitive, so you see it here:
i would consider this a blank verse/sonnet (quatorze).
not a standard sonnet, but falling into that category.

Is easier to submit and pet the cat >> you corrected.

following still needs correction:


Though I stay awake with him at night
The two of them paw and tug and whine
In the bed that seems too small for all
Gaining for themselves more room to stretch.
 
also: If I could dream I'd gladly take them with
seems you need the word 'me' at the end because it doesn't match up with the following line.
 
but maybe if you said:
If I could dream I'd gladly take them with
Me. Along rocky outskirts we could roam
 
and punctuation.  this could use some punctuation.

i'd like to see what you come up with in punctuation so it doesn't read as a run-on.
s.

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From: _susan_Sent: 5/8/2008 10:17 PM
your meter is very good, crow.
i wish mine was as good.
you have an ear for iambic pentameter.
 
i would say that a few minor corrections would be sufficient.
 
s.

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From: MSN NicknamekarasukokoroSent: 5/9/2008 4:39 AM
thank you suse for the encouragement and for working with me on this, suse. not sure i've got it right yet. hopefully i'm moving forward not behind. speaking of stretch- my punctuation...
 
Easier to submit and pet the cat.
In doing so his eyes no longer haunt,
Except that he is never satisfied.

Though I stay awake with him at night,
He brings along his brother who's the same.
The two of them paw and tug and whine
In the bed that seems too small for all.

If I could dream I'd gladly take them with
Me. Along the rocky outskirts we could roam.

They shy away from sleep when I'm around.
Self-flattery it is to think them mine.
When all along they've had a simple plan;
To see me fly away from this old bed,
And in departing leave them room to stretch.

-ateto mort 
5/8/2008

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From: _susan_Sent: 5/9/2008 4:59 PM
hmm.  work on the meter first, for those few lines i indicated.
take out all punctuation for now - you are overdosing on periods.

pentameter
5' to a line.
count syllables if you have to - it will make it easier.
10 syllables per line.
 
s.

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From: wrongsideoftheroadSent: 5/9/2008 6:27 PM
ya. you need the fluidity of the original, i think. and no more punctuation than necessary.
 
i took it and played with it a little (fullknowing susan will probably snap at me)
 
first though, it seems to me with the first line, the only reason it doesn't start with an "It's" is because that would make 11 syllables. i wonder if that could be worked around, but for now, it stands as is.
 
i think the beginning is otherwise solid, somewhere in the middle part lines start to droop over into the following lines, especially the 8th line ending on 'with'. i took myself some devilish freedoms there. i love the lines
 
"They shy away from sleep when I'm around
Self-flattery it is to think them mine."
 
i think the end has a good punchline, with the cats intention, having the bed for themselves, but its a little awkward in how its presented.
 
one thing i think is a fun addition in a sonnet is to sometimes jump in an image, rather than using only 'and's, you can throw in a comma. the beginning for instance: "It's easier to submit, pet the cat". commas can also be used to emphasize some curious internal rhymes.  
 
anyhow. the rest of my critique you'll find in my edit of the poem. discard or find something useful. i do think you have a natural voice, for whatever poetic forms, and thats really what matters.
 
k
 
 

 
Easier to submit and pet the cat:
In so doing, his eyes no longer haunt
Except that he is never satisfied
Though I stay awake with him at night.
He brings along his brother, more the same.
The two of them, paw and tug and whine
In the bed that seems to small for all.
If I could dream, I would take them gladly
Along the rocky outskirts of my mind.
They shy away from sleep when I'm around:
Self-flattery, it is to think them mine
When all along they've had a simple plan
To see me fly away, and leave behind
This here bed, for themselves, more room to stretch.

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From: MSN NicknamekarasukokoroSent: 5/9/2008 7:08 PM
thank you suse and w.s.
 
w.s. i enjoyed what you did and will likely keep some. :) this is starting to be fun.
 
i will do some sprucing and pruning and defleaing with my original, keeping in mind what suse has said about pentameter and syllables.
 
crow who wants to learn to write a sonnet

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From: MSN NicknameOrthoRhombic1Sent: 5/11/2008 12:48 AM
I'm getting to this a bit late. Sorry. Others have already mentioned the lines that are off in their syllable counts. I was wondering about trying to be less obvious that it's about cats, starting out; a little misdirection kind of thing, perhaps. I do like the ending with the cats' ulterior motive being revealed. Our two cats do the same thing--someone gets off the bed and they immediately lay down on the warm spot. Funny.

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From: MSN NicknamekarasukokoroSent: 5/11/2008 3:22 AM
well i am a little looney tonight and ortho's idea got me thinking so here is a somewhat comical rewrite. also...suse and w.s.-thank you. i've taken your suggestions to heart.
 
 
It's better to submit and give him love
In doing so his eyes no longer haunt,
Except that he is never satisfied.

Although I stay awake with him at night,
He brings along his brother who's the same
All through the night they paw and tug and whine
In the bed that seems too small for all.

If I could dream, I would take them gladly
Along the rocky outskirts of my mind.
They shy away from sleep when I'm around.
Self-flattery it is to think them mine.

These cats have kept from me their desire;
To see me fly away from this old bed,
For when I'm gone they'll have more room to stretch.

-ateto mort 
5/8/2008

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From: MSN NicknameOrthoRhombic1Sent: 5/11/2008 3:32 AM
Can't speak or eveyone else, but I like the change. Of course, I do like humor and misdirection perhaps more than the average reader.

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From: MSN NicknamekarasukokoroSent: 5/11/2008 3:55 AM
 
thanks ortho. glad you like it. your idea was brilliant actually. now...one more teenie revision.
 
 
It's better to submit and give him love
In doing so his eyes no longer haunt,
Except that he is never satisfied.

Although I stay awake with him at night,
He brings along his brother who's the same
All through the night they paw and tug and whine
The bed is shrinking by degrees each night

If I could dream, I would take them gladly
Along the rocky outskirts of my mind.
They shy away from sleep when I'm around;
Self-flattery it is to think them mine.

These cats have kept from me their desire;
To see me fly away from this old bed,
For when I'm gone they'll have more room to stretch.

-ateto mort 
5/8/2008

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From: _susan_Sent: 5/11/2008 4:49 AM
yep.  you corrected that teeny syllable all by yourself.
i don't know why, but i think an exclamation point at the end would make it so Dorothy Parker-ish!
 
i like the threesome -- cozy -- ending with those cats!
 
Mr. O had a good suggestion there, and i like the way you formed your own stanzas.
 
s.

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From: MSN NicknamekarasukokoroSent: 5/11/2008 10:49 AM
thank you for another great suggestion, suse. i will do it!
 
It's better to submit and give him love
In doing so his eyes no longer haunt,
Except that he is never satisfied.

Although I stay awake with him at night,
He brings along his brother who's the same
All through the night they paw and tug and whine
The bed is shrinking by degrees each night

If I could dream, I would take them gladly
Along the rocky outskirts of my mind.
They shy away from sleep when I'm around;
Self-flattery it is to think them mine.

These cats have kept from me their desire;
To see me fly away from this old bed,
For when I'm gone they'll have more room to stretch!

-ateto mort 
5/8/2008

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From: _susan_Sent: 5/12/2008 4:18 AM
c'est tout.  fini.
:)

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