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From: Traderjfo  (Original Message)Sent: 5/30/2004 3:15 AM
I didn't get angry when I watched those buildings come down.  I knew other people would do that for me.  I took some pictures today as my kid and I were out.  We put flowers on the graves, a responsibility that I'm passing on.  My daughter proudly announced to friends this afternoon that, "We put flowers on the graves today because if it wasn't for these people we wouldn't be here."  I took her and a friend to visit the 9/11 memorial behind the Eastlake City Hall, Ohio.  The memorial was built within the "500 Flags Blvd."
 
The 9/11 Memorial site is just above the yellow arrow head.


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From: TraderjfoSent: 5/30/2004 3:19 AM
 
"NEVER FORGET SEPTEMBER 11, 2001"

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From: TraderjfoSent: 5/30/2004 3:23 AM
 
My daughter and a friend touching a main support beam from one of the two buildings.

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From: TraderjfoSent: 5/30/2004 4:38 AM
Minoru Yamasaki - architect.

"'The World Trade Center should,' Yamasaki said, 'because of its importance, become a living representation of man's belief in humanity, his need for individual dignity, his belief in the cooperation of men, and through this cooperation his ability to find greatness.' "

�?from Paul Heyer. Architects on Architecture: New Directions in America. p194-195.

"I feel this way about it. World trade means world peace and consequently the World Trade Center buildings in New York ... had a bigger purpose than just to provide room for tenants. The World Trade Center is a living symbol of man's dedication to world peace ... beyond the compelling need to make this a monument to world peace, the World Trade Center should, because of its importance, become a representation of man's belief in humanity, his need for individual dignity, his beliefs in the cooperation of men, and through cooperation, his ability to find greatness."

�?Minoru Yamasaki

Building Details

  •   110 stories, 1353 feet (412 meters) tall
       (By some sources, Tower One was 1368 feet tall and Tower Two was 1362 feet. Some sources say 1350 feet overall.)
  •   About 10,000,000 square feet of rentable space, occupied by about 50,000 people.
  •   An acre of rentable space on each floor of each tower.
       (Gross area of 43200 square feet (4020 square meters) each per floor.)
    Owned and operated by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey.
    The world's tallest building for a short time, taking over from the Empire State Building, and then surpassed by the Sears Tower.

    The site is 16 acres in lower Manhattan, with buildings grouped around a five acre central plaza. The site is bounded by Vesey Street on the north, Church Street on the east, Liberty Street on the south, and West Street on the west, about three blocks north of the New York Stock Exchange.

  •                                                                                 WTC Complex against the backdrop of Pikes Peak.


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    From: TraderjfoSent: 5/30/2004 5:14 AM
     
    The loss of live from the attack on America, September 11, 2001, is equal to 5% of the names on the
    Vietnam Memorial Wall.  3000/58000
     
    The economic impact is estimated in the billions of dollars.

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    From: TraderjfoSent: 5/30/2004 6:26 AM
     

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    From: TraderjfoSent: 6/1/2004 9:34 AM
    see, illy, these words by Minoru Yamasaki are exactly why they wanted those buildings.
     
    it's like that wonderful line in that wonderful movie, "what if that's all they are... assholes with power."  i don't like barb's politics, but she's a good woman [the movie-Nuts].
     
    now that you've blown off your steam, maybe you'll put your feet back on planet earth.
     
    you can't blame me for your words, it's a weak minded attempt to relieve yourself of responsibility.  i really suspect that this whole mess on the boards was based on your feelings of shame for what you said.
     
    i'd love to talk about one thing at a time, but your pizzed off that you whole complicated debate came crashing down around you.  R's reply was very intelligent and understandable.  it makes sense, like the "new map" thing makes sense.
     
    okie has every right to be offended.  your constant questions are only designed to get one response, what you want to hear.  then if you don't get your way, you go off on a tyrade.
     
    you know, boogie said that he didn't agree with artificial impregnation, and i replied with what i thought was a good point, but i guess i understand the liberal game more and more.  just keep throwing the shit out there and "baiting" in your own words till we find something that sticks.  it's was an insult to the effort that so many people put into these board. 
     
    that includes ini -- we have a really neat cease fire understanding; we don't take shots at each other anymore, and it's that simple.
     
    i've ask everyone over and over again this one question;
     
    "what moral and or ethical requirement is the USA placing on iraq to grant their children freedom to walk down the street and play?"  i didn't know that moral and ethical applied to basic issues like speedlimits.  all of these issues of basic security require no complicated debate.  who's the police chief... how long do they serve...?  all of these basic question will be solved by a free iraqi people.  R and stan have answered my question, but not in so many words.
     
    so i'm going to ask it again, one last time;  what moral and ethical standards are we forcing upon iraq?

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    From: TraderjfoSent: 9/9/2004 1:18 PM
    WE SHALL FINISH THE GAME, BOOGIE!  YOU'RE A MANAGER, SO WHY DON'T YOU DO US ALL A FAVOR AND DELETE YOUR STUPID POST!

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    From: TraderjfoSent: 9/9/2004 1:23 PM
    While "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of All Who Threaten It" was intended to convey a sense of the Navy's mission, it has become a focus of determination, pride and patriotism. Certainly no one could have anticipated the incredible degree with which sailors have embraced the ad and its sentiment. Petty Officer First Class Sandra Goodrum sums it up by saying, "The Navy is about standing up for your country and what it represents."

    There is no question about its popularity: "Life, Liberty�? is everywhere, from t-shirts being sold in the U.S.S. Theodore Roosevelt ship's store, to the wall of the "Battlestations" area at Naval Training Center, Great Lakes. Several Flag Officers including Admirals Jeffrey Fowler and Terry McCreary, and Chief of Naval Operations Vernon Clark have all used the slogan as a backdrop or PowerPoint slide for speaking engagements. Admiral McCreary said "Life. Liberty and the Pursuit of All Who Threaten It" perfectly captures the Navy spirit during a time of crisis."


    "Life, Liberty..." appears on bumper stickers, luggage tags, screen savers and it is also emblazoned on the back of the trailer used to haul the NASCAR showcar/simulator. It was even included in the graphic design used in the announcement for the naming of the forthcoming San Antonio Class amphibious transport dock USS New York (LPD-21).

    Slogans come and go, some have more saying power than others. Does "Life. Liberty and the Pursuit of All Who Threaten It" have staying power? Some respondents to the test marketing of the slogan said, "There will always be evil against which we will have to defend our country." But, ADM Clark probably put it best in a recent interview when he stated, "The president said, 'We are going to keep these terrorists on the run.' To do that the Navy and Marine Corps team have committed themselves to being out there. Our goal is to make sure that (the terrorists) understand that our mantra is now 'Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of All Who Threaten It."
    "NEVER FORGET 9/11/01"
     
     
     
     

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