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| | From: sportstarr10 (Original Message) | Sent: 12/6/2008 8:08 PM |
I've posted this previously ... Just a refresher for down d' road Institutions on a Bubble Bank failures in the Great Depression were caused by savings lost in the stock market bubble. Today our banks are prevented from investing in the stock market, instead restricted to a “safer�?asset class: real estate. To see the illiquid bubble that some of our financial institutions are now dependent on, see the chart below of U.S. home prices adjusted for inflation back to 1890. Speculativebubble.com has created a rollercoaster video of this chart, which we recommend because it reflects the emotional aspect of markets. Financial institutions that are based on the real estate market will face serious problems as the boom unwinds. Mortgage lenders are already going bust. As home prices continue to fall, aided by regulatory and market restrictions on credit, baby boomers will put investment properties, in which they hold little equity, on the auction block. Alt-A mortgages which fueled these properties will fall in value. Current ‘thinking' is that financial institutions have passed on much of the mortgage risk to hedge funds. However when hedge funds fail, ‘prime brokers' historically have been forced to accept the hedge fund's losing positions. Illiquid arrangements (for instance credit derivatives) will then be the responsibility of the prime brokers. They will be forced to sell at any price as they try to prevent losses on their own books. As the editor of The Commercial and Financial Chronicle in November of 1929 reported on the Great Crash, ‘the crowd didn't sell, they got sold out.' The trading desks of the Wall Street Firms will cash out as the panic develops, the lady in Omaha will be stuck on the phone with a busy signal. http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article806.html |
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| | From: bluesky | Sent: 12/7/2008 2:34 AM |
Oil price is selling for 32% of high. of $147....................platinum is selling for 32% of high............. Stocks are selling for half price of their peak.......... The average price of a house is 3 years gross fami;y income.....the average usa income is $38,000.........which is $114 for a house...which is reasonable.....and thaqts what the chart says.........about $100k-for a house |
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| | From: dg_ | Sent: 12/7/2008 2:52 AM |
Are we supposed to believe that a house selling in 1890 was in any way similar to a house sold today? In 1890, the toilet was probably an "out house," and there probably was no hot and cold running water. You probably cooked off the top of a wood stove and ran your washed clothes through the wringer of old fashioned hand washing machines. The garage was probably a horse stall. The family room was probably a root cellar. This chart is just about as dumb as comparing a plow horse to a modern automobile. dg |
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| | From: bluesky | Sent: 12/7/2008 7:21 AM |
were you lived in an outhouse dj.........were you born in the outhouses manger price is for the average house.............most of the houses built in the 1890 are in the downtowns of cities........they are now the most expensive ................ price of a house is about 3 years gross pay.........for the last 150 years...........whether the house is a wood and tar paper shack....or a vinily and chipboard shack of todayssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss |
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| | From: bluesky | Sent: 12/7/2008 7:24 AM |
a typical home in america |
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"price is for the average house.............most of the houses built in the 1890 are in the downtowns of cities........they are now the most expensive ................ price of a house is about 3 years gross pay.........for the last 150 years...........whether the house is a wood and tar paper shack....or a vinily and chipboard shack of todayssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss" Bubbly ... Correctomundo. Especially, the 1890's was a "Golden Age" ... Todays construction is grotesque & shabby to say the Least. Particle Board abounds & Everything is filled in with Caulk. There are Very Few if Any true master carpenters or general contractors left in todays world. What you get today is poisoning your body with formaldhyde. Would I pay what a contractor would want for a P.O.S. like THIS ??? !!! Not a Chance & they Wonder WHY the prices Had to come down ??? |
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| | From: dg_ | Sent: 12/7/2008 4:12 PM |
"price of a house is about 3 years gross pay.........for the last 150 years..........." Gross pay for whom? a janitor? a secretary? a bus driver? an engineer? a business executive? a doctor? a corporate CEO? Bill Gates? Your statement is meaningless unless qualified. So is the idea of comparing housing from the 1890s with modern housing. Any home for sale should arrive at price based on these five factors: 1. location 2. lot development 3. structure & lot configuration 4. overall condition 5. market As to the idea that homes were built better in the 1890s than today, try checking that out with people that live in areas with high earthquake frequency or occasional mud slides (like southern california) -- if you can find any 1890s buildings still standing. However I will agree with you that pride of workmanship is hard to find these days. You don't get quality when the builder's chief objective is cutting costs to maximize profit. Today's small commercial builder puts up a community of houses cheaply with shody workmanship, then quickly goes out of business to avoid law suits from future home owners. I could tell you lots of horror stories about the homes in my neighborhood all built by the same shady out of business contractor. dg |
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| | From: bluesky | Sent: 12/7/2008 4:18 PM |
AVERAGE house price in most areas of canada and the USA the AVERAGE home has just kept pace with inflation......... (right now the home price is a wee bit high....but it will adjust , just as the price of oil has adjusted |
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| | From: dg_ | Sent: 12/7/2008 6:28 PM |
Hate to tell you, but oil will probably head back up after the dec 17 opec meeting. Saudi Arabia wants $75/barrel, and intends across the board production cutbacks to get it. So if home prices are tracking oil as you imply, expect a housing turnaround soon. dg |
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| | From: bluesky | Sent: 12/7/2008 11:52 PM |
oil will go up to $75......but from a collapsing usa dollar................. oil is on the international market............ houses are on the domestic market and are way to expensive historically |
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| | From: bluesky | Sent: 12/8/2008 6:17 AM |
how low she go....nobody know...........but its down you will know when the price has hit low..................the canadiennes will be moving into beverly hills 90210 |
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| | From: dg_ | Sent: 12/8/2008 6:03 PM |
Those recent numbers (last three years) probably include auctioned foreclosures as well as seller prices from non-foreclosed homes. If so, the reduction in prices actually sold probably hasn't really decreased much for non-foreclosed sellers. I know for a fact that in cases here in my neck of the woods, when the potential buyer offers a reduced price as guided by the market, the seller tells him to take a hike. Many are simply refusing to sell for less than replacement cost -- the "market" be damned. It is unfortunate that the real estate agents (who should have the seller's interests at heart) actually have only their own interests at heart. All they want are quick sales for quick commissions. They could care less whether the seller loses acrued equity -- yet they expect thousands of dollars in commissions for their "services." |
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