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From: MSN Nicknamesarrad0071  (Original Message)Sent: 1/4/2008 6:16 AM
All my life since I was old enough to understand it, I've been proud to live in this state and have the rights I do.  A couple of months ago it all kicked me in the face. My daughter was moving from our house into her own apartment, which she had been waiting to do since she first moved up here 2 years ago. I had mixed fealings about it but I have never tried to dictate to my children. Her older sister wanted to come up here and make sure she took everything that belonged to the children . I told her to stay away from my house and my property on that weekend because this was a move not a war . She is a few blocks short of a full load and she was going to teach me.  Well she came up and sat a Julies new apartment and as each of my friends went in to carry the furniture ,etc. in she told them about how terrible I was and that I had really abused the children when they were in my care. Of course all my friends told me of this so I called her and told hernever to call me again.  I also called in a debt that she owes me either the gun she was supposed to pay $600. for or to return the weapon. Plus the money she still owed me  from one of the many loans that I have made to her in the past. She started screaming at me and saying I would never get the gun back and that as far as she was concerned she owed me nothing.  Now that is enough to make a good mother mad and I was mad . I called her a name that I'm not proud of and would never use again. but something about what all she was saying really got me. We raised one of her children and the second one till he was twelve.  She is 54 years old and acts about 10 .  To thank me for all of this she took out a restraining order against me which is fine, but she also told them that she was afraid of me and that they needed to take all my guns away from me. The Judge gave me 24 hours to turn in all the weapons in my home over to my local P.D. Well I appealed and got my guns back but it happened on a wed. and by the time the order was changed it was the weekend and I had to wait to get not only my gun but all of my husbands guns. back. They even had my daughters 30.30 And that made her very mad at her sister.  Plus the order in Mesa is not reciprocal so if I want her to keep from ringing my phone I have to go to court which I am going to do up here in red neck country.  The thing that hurt me worst was the fact that the Judge was an antigunner and made a statement that I will never forget. She says for the record that she would remove the order for me not to have my guns that I could take them home and play with them. I have requested a copy of that hearing so I can take action against the court and my halfwitted daughter.  I'm going to be there  when they hand it over.  my husband was so upset he said he was going to go down there and have a talk with her son , he is the one that supposedly has the gun.  I was talking to our Chief up here and he says "You knew how crocked they were when you came up here.  That I did .  Next time someone  comes up here I'll just wait with my 12 gauge and welcome them the old hometown way.        


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From: SargeSent: 1/4/2008 4:46 PM
Isn't that a hell of a thing when someone can go to a court and tell lies and the court just believes them and comes to take away your property. With no reason other than another persons unproved allegations. It seems like there should have been an investigation or something.  Such as a record check on the person accused or SOMETHING.  They didn't even interview neighbors or ask for your statement.
What in the hell is the world going too? Scares me. Someone could dislike me cause I parked wrong and bingo my guns are taken away.
Sarge

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From: MSN NicknameÄrmymannSent: 1/4/2008 7:56 PM
Here in Kalifornia, if you file a restraining order against a person, and you think they may have a gun, and you are threatened by them having a gun or guns, then that person is required to turn all guns AND ammunition in to the Sheriff's Department. Then it takes a court order, and about 3 acres worth of paper work and an attorney, to get them back. And to top it off the Sheriff's Department is still not responcible for the conditions of the guns when they are returned to you. I had a Close friend that this happened too, and I helped him take them in. We counted every round, and took pictures of every item turned over. He still ended up losing the storage case for one of his pistols. And it took 18 monthes to get them back.

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From: SteveSent: 1/9/2008 1:34 AM
Sarrado0071,
Thanks for the wake up call. There is no requirement that judges be sane or sober, and to think that property can be taken away only on the unverified statement of person with an agenda underscores just how important that there be oversight of the judicial branch. This is crazy, as Sarge states, and we need to get our country back to some resemblance of sanity. Good luck to you.

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From: MSN Nicknamesarrad0071Sent: 1/29/2008 4:24 AM
I talked to the Chief of Police up here and he couldn't believe it either.  Especially all the guns in my house. He said that my husband and younger daughter were convicted as well as me and said if I wanted to appeal he would give me a letter as to the good citizen that I am. I got my guns back and as far as that daughter I told the anti gun Judge that I neverwanted to speak to my daughter again. She couldn't believe that I could say that about my own daughter.  I say walk a mile in my shoes.  I have a husband to take care of and more than one kid to keep track of.  It really bothered me that week that I was without my weapons though. I figured that my butcher knife was the only weapon I had. my friend gave me a shalalie (sp) and I put t hat in my car.  That would make a believer out of an intruder in my car or in my home.  The saddest part was the look on my husbands face when he had turn over the antique colt and the german made 12 gauge  that his brother in law brought home in 1942.   I had been wondering if I should renew my NRA membership due to my age but that made up my mind for me.   

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From: MSN Nicknamesarrad0071Sent: 1/29/2008 4:32 AM
I worried about this . I technically should have taken them to the sheriff but I know the Police up here and knew I could trust them. the day I got the reversal from the court. I called in and they told me to come in the next day and they would turn them over to me.  Sure enough Shawn was there waiting for me and he took everything out and had me identify them and say that there was nothing missing.  As for Mesa they will never see my guns again. neither will my daughter. She was so hoping that I would give the shotgun to her son. She can forget that idea. 

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