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 Message 1 of 31 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameCountryboy650  (Original Message)Sent: 9/8/2008 12:30 AM
Voting time is coming up. Keep this before God and ask him to guide you in your vote. But do get out and vote. God can use your vote.


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From: DandelionSent: 9/21/2008 8:50 PM
Don,
Don't blame Bush for the high cost of gas. The Republicans put the bill on Clinton's desk in 1995 ready to be signed and explore and drill in ANWR . . . it was vetoed by Bill Clinton.

The environmental lobbyists pressured President Bill Clinton to veto ANWR legislation in the '90s, citing risks to Caribou population and native Alaskan citizens.

If there was a moose in the way would anyone here how drill right through its head to get some cheap oil right about now?

Democrats said drilling in ANWR wouldn’t produce any oil for 10 years.

Well, that was 13 years ago, sure would be nice to have that extra supply now wouldn't it?


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From: MSN NicknameDon__42Sent: 9/22/2008 2:20 PM

Dandelion,

More drilling or less drilling is not the problem. The practices of the oil companies is.

There was not oil shortage in the 70s when the oil companies said there was.

Our present situation is centered around the Production Sharing Agreement the oil companies have managed to firm up years ago. While we have been fighting a war of choice in Iraqi and a second war in Afghanistan to protect the oil pipelines who do you thing is getting the oil from the oil Production Sharing Agreements.

There are 63 oil reserves in Iraqi 12 of which our producing sweet crude. The agreement when we went to war this time was that the Iraqis would pay for the cost of the war from their oil production.

We are loosing the lives of are service men and women while the Iraqis are getting rich. Is that the price you like to pay for a barrel of oil? What do you think will happen when the US pulls out of Iraqi, if we ever do?

The civil war that’s be brewing from before this war of choice. Who championed deregulation, the Bush administration. As a result the banks were able to make bad loans and Wall Street brokers and heads of hedge funds were able to short sell. The majority of the house loans that are being foreclosed aren’t worth the loan value. President Bush had the veto power to veto deregulation bills. But he didn’t and John McCain went along with the proposals.

don 


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 Message 19 of 31 in Discussion 
From: MSN Nickname_MrWonder_Sent: 9/23/2008 5:26 AM
ANWR is not Iraqi oil.
 
America must be energy sufficient and drill its own oil.

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From: MSN NicknameDon__42Sent: 9/24/2008 3:49 AM
Shell Oil just got the concession deal through they have been working on for over a year and as I write this they are established in Iraqi.
 
The president of Iraqi wants the troops to stay until 2011 but President Bush wasn't set a dead line for even the beginning of a troup withdraw.
 
There were no wepons of mass distruction.
No nukes
Saddam Hussein wasn't linked to 9-11
Terrorism is as much a threat today as before the Iraqi war of choice.
And in a  town hall meeting in New Hampshire on January 3, 2008, McCain went so far as to declare that it would be "fine with me" if American troops remained in Iraq for "maybe a hundred years."  
 
This war has cost American families 4000 of their loved ones and $500 billion dollars. Today congress is trying to decide whether to bail out Wall Street and a failed banking system that has not been regulated because the Bush administration derelagued the system.
 
This bail out will cost all men, women, and children $2300 a peice, $700 billion. You hair should be on fire with anger at an administration that has been asleep on their Watch.
 
don 

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From: MSN Nickname_MrWonder_Sent: 9/30/2008 7:04 PM
No danger of being there a hundred years...

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From: sly2newyorkSent: 10/3/2008 2:28 AM
Would Christ or His Disciples vote?
SLY 2

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From: MSN Nickname_MrWonder_Sent: 10/3/2008 12:31 PM
The Lord Jesus and the disciples did not live under a representative republic form of government, but lived under a theocracy and the domination of a foreign power.  However, I can answer that question:  "Render unto Caesar..."
 
That means we are responsible to have to vote and I fully believe if the Lord Jesus had lived in a representative republic, He would have voted and so would the disciples, because He paid taxes just like the disciples.  He "render(ed) unto Caesar..."
 
Good question though, and I am happy to be able to provide the Biblical answer.

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From: MSN NicknameLucretia509Sent: 10/3/2008 5:05 PM
The most important thing to remember is after WWII, foreign countries were in Germany for many years.  why to build up a stable economy and provide a semblance of unity...or whatever basically to make sure the country wouldn't dissolve into total chaos.
 
If a country like Iraq (which would be considered or almost considered 3rd world) is destabilized...how long do you think it will take for stabilize?  Heck, atleast Germany wasn't even considered a 3rd world country!  How long do you think it will take to stabilize Iraq?  Something like that doesn't happen overnight, unfortunately.  We have invaded and taken out the reign of Saddam...now we have to help Iraq to build up infastructure and other neccessities so, that they can do what they need to on their own.
 
Afghanistan...who knows how long that will take.  Clearly, much longer than Iraq though...  We also need to train local people's how to secure their own borders.
 
The problem with the oil situation is that the US has a huge oil reserve...shale (which will produce many times over more oil than the crude oil in the Middle East) or otherwise...  In the US, the politicians have taken so many kickbacks (democrats and republicans) to create this system where the oil company bids on this land and they get it forever, no matter how much oil it might produce.  That being said, it should be a more rental system with the gas tax rendered as soon as it is taken out of the ground.  If it is done this way...oil will go down in price, significantly.  I think the taxes rendered should be used towards finding viable alternatives.  Thus, we can stop relying on oil consumption as a nation and not starve people in other countries.
 
Ethanol fuel sounds great except that we are starving people in other countries by using crops to create more oil...that has led to food price increases all over the world.  Don you are not starving...but, what about those people in other countries who are?  These are the very same people who could have afforded basic foods but, now they can't.  This is not being responsible to the world.  Who cares what Obama thinks because he doesn't have a viable plan in action...without taxing everyone into oblivion...

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From: MSN NicknameDon__42Sent: 10/4/2008 5:08 AM
Why wouldn't the diciples have voted. God instituted governments. The people who are the heads of state determine whether the government they are in is either good or evil, not God.
 
For good men and women to do nothing evil abounds.
 
Don

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From: MSN Nickname_MrWonder_Sent: 10/4/2008 1:22 PM
I don't mind helping Iraq to be a stable and properous country but they should pay for it themselves out of their oil money.
 
I also despise ethanol.  It does raise food prices everywhere.
 
And I agree with Don on post 26.

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From: MSN NicknameDon__42Sent: 10/4/2008 11:08 PM

Lucretia,

With all due respect. The war on Iraqi was a war of choice. There was no weapons of mass destruction and no terrorist threat to the US and Al-Qaeda wasn’t hiding there but in Afghanistan.

The US brought Saddam to power so he would war against Iran.

If you want to destroy your enemy you go to were he. Ben-Laddan is not nor was in Iraqi he is in Afghanistan.

Do you remember that on May 1, 2003 President Bush assured the American people that "Major combat operations in Iraq have ended," Bush said at the time. "The battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on Sept. 11, 2001, and still goes on."

That was five years ago, 4000 plus lives and the cost goes on check this site:

http://www.nationalpriorities.org/costofwar_home

It is real interesting isn’t it?

The is still doing for 3rd world countries in spite of the war in Iraq.

don


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 Message 30 of 31 in Discussion 
From: MSN Nickname_MrWonder_Sent: 10/8/2008 1:03 AM
We've lost almost as many soldiers in Iraq as people who are murdered in Detroit...
 
I HATE the war in Iraq but I prefer to fight them there instead of here.

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From: MSN Nickname_MrWonder_Sent: 10/10/2008 12:30 AM
There was no weapons of mass destruction...
 
 
Well, not that you know about, anyway.
 
 Which means, by the way, that the JOKE is on Saddam Hussein.
 
Hussein refused to allow UN inspectors into the country to check on WMD and if there really were NOT any, then the joke is on him because he hung from the neck until he was DEAD because of his refusal to allow UN inspectors into a country that supposedly had nothing to hide in the first place.
 
In fact, I believe the weapons were moved and hidden and we didn't find them but I don't believe Hussein died for nothing.  Had there been none, he would have said, "Come on in and look!" and thereby have saved his own life.

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