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Why did Paul tell Timothy these words: ... teach no other doctrine, �?/B> Paul was Timothy's apostle ... Paul is our apostle. So doesn't it follow that the doctrine that Paul told Timothy to teach, we should also know and that is what we should be teaching? 1 Timothy 1:3 As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine, 2 Timothy 1:13 Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. 2 Timothy 2:2 And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also. Galatians 2:2 And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain. Why did Paul say: ... that gospel which I preach...? The word "that" indicates a certain thing, such as that tree or that shoe. It differentiates one tree from the other tree, or one shoe from the other shoe. Paul would only say "that gospel" in the manner he did if he were indicating a specific gospel, a gospel different than another gospel. Paul also said: Ephesians 3:8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; Was what Peter teaching unsearchable, or could it be found in prophecy, including the salvation of certain (those that blessed Israel) Gentiles? If you answer these questions with the WORD, Scripturally you will find the key to the knowledge that Peter and Paul did not teach the same gospel. We have to know the truth in what Paul taught, rightly divided, from the truth that Peter taught, so that we can commit these things to others. In Christ, Cindy |
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The Gospel of the Kingdom never says anywhere that Christ died for the sins of ALL men. NOT TRUE. It's right there in John 3.16 and John 3.17, and John 1.12-13. I have more Scriptures if you need them. |
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It's right there in John 3.16 John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. You can't read into the verse anything that the apostles didn't know. If you knew nothing at all about Christ, what would that verse tell you about what Christ did to provide everlasting life. Remember they didn't have Paul's epistles like you and I do. and John 3.17, John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. How is someone to be saved through him? Is believing "in" the Name of Jesus Christ enough to save us? Satan believes in the name of Jesus Christ too, and he hates it. So we believe in the name, do we know what He did? and John 1.12-13. John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: John 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. Is literally becoming a son of God the same as being adopted and made a son of God as Paul says we are? Do a little research about the legal conditions that apply to a child of blood and a child of adoption during that era of time. It has nothing to do with the legal discription today. I think you will find some interesting facts. I have more Scriptures if you need them. Bring them on! You still have not shown me anything in any of those verses that say Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again. In fact, none of those verses say anything at all about the death of Christ on the cross at all, or the forgiveness of sin or being saved from the wrath to come. Again, you cannot add anything to those verses that the Apostles didn't know. When you Take the verses out of context you really lose what is actually being said in them. In Christ Cindy |
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No, Satan does not believe on the Lord Jesus Christ as His own Lord and Saviour. He believes in the existence of one God, and that never saved anybody. |
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Doz, You said: "Cindy... I appreciate the fact you have a belief system you cherish..." I DO NOT cherish a belief system! I cherish my Father in Heaven and His Son and the two of them together with the Holy Spirit that are God in one. I thank my Father in Heaven for sending His Son, to become my saviour, to die for me so that I could have eternal life. I thank Jesus Christ for doing the suffering for me that I deserved to do and giving me eternal life as a free gift. I thank the Holy Spirit who baptized me and sealed me into the Body of Christ. I also thank God that He inspired through the Apostle Paul written down and preserved words meant especially for me, for us, in this time period. Not words meant for his chosen Nation of Israel, but words meant for me, for us. Words not meant for any other people of any other day, but words meant especially for me, for us, in this day. I will not mix them with the words given to others and by doing so give those words less power in my life than He meant them to have. My life on this earth is about sharing Those Words. "I'm not seeing what you believe to be Truth..." Just because you don't see it, is not a guarantee that it is not truth. There was a time before I was saved that I didn't see it either. I had given up searching for the truth, partly because no one had ever shown it to me in the KJB, the Word of God. The Catholic Bible was the only one I had ever read and it puts its own rituals and ideas into what God said. "Galatians 2:8,9 states:" May I suggestion that you read those verses from the KJB, and then, side by side, from what ever version you do like, and confirm for your self... honestly, and completely, in your own mind... that they do, absolutely, without a shadow of a doubt, say the same thing, or perhaps realize that they don't. "The Deliverer did come out of Zion and they rejected him..." He was born as a child, unimportant in the eyes of most of the world and delegated to being born in a manger with animals all around. That is not anything like "come out of Sion", (Rom 11:26) or "roaring out of Sion" (Joel 3:16) of Sion. He was born in Bethlehem. If you think that he has already come for Israel... and that they rejected him... and that is all there was for them, then you must also believe there is no hope for the entire Nation of Israel whatsoever and no second coming of Christ for them. If it is God's truth how can there be two different truths???? Let’s say I have a son...and I said "please get me a pitcher of water. At this time we live in a home where there was no water inside and to get water he has to go to the well, let down the bucket and carry water into the house then pour it into the picture. When I said go and get some water he would knew exactly what to do. Now let's say years later that we moved to a home with hot and cold running water right at the sink and I said to him "please get me a pitcher of water", would it do him any good to go look for the well? No, because he has studied the new house and he knows where the water is and that things are not the same as they were before. I didn't tell a lie to him either time... my true request was exactly the same both times. It is the same with God's instructions. He said believe, and we must believe all the Bible, but we must also know and follow the instructions He gave directly to us. It does us no good to go back and look for Israel’s well/their instructions, when we have our own well/instructions, that are true, but different, flowing right inside our own house. "Someone said (I think it was you, Cindy) that "Paul corrects Peter's teaching in the Book of Galatians" He does not correct Peter's teaching but corrects Peter's actions" I am not sure what you read or which thread, but I will say here so you can be sure. Paul did correct Peter's actions. When Peter was eating with the gentiles then stopped when the Jews appeared, Paul was letting him know that his actions were wrong and that if Peter preached his own "gospel" through his actions, to the gentiles present, that at that time he would have been preaching "another gospel", a different gospel that Paul was preaching. Paul's followers had no dietary requirements... Peter's did. "I also emailed my former pastor and a lot of what I said were his ideas as he walked me through some things... I just put it in my own words.... That way I see it better...." What you see better that way is your pastor's ideas and thoughts. He walked you through it. You only have what he understands and says to you. If you are satisfied with that, and want your pastor to be your final authority, so be it. "It was hard for me to read all this... in some places I wept..." You are not the only one who weeps, Doz. My heart breaks for those that are so grounded in what a religious system and what that system is teaching that they cannot see the truth in the Word of God. I never asked you to believe me.... I don't matter one little single bit, I asked you to believe God's Word. There was much more in your post... but I just don't think going over it all again would make any difference. I don't mean to be harsh in anything I have said. I just want what God's Word actually says to be shared. In Christ Cindy ------------------- Mr wonder No, Satan does not believe on the Lord Jesus Christ as His own Lord and Saviour. He believes in the existence of one God, and that never saved anybody. I copied and pasted this from my other post. I said: "Satan believes in the name of Jesus Christ too, and he hates it." I didn't say satan believes "on" Jesus Christ. I said he believes "in" Jesus Christ. There is a difference in believing "on" and believing "in" Jesus Christ. In Christ, Cindy |
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Just because you don't see it, is not a guarantee that it is not truth. I hope you remember that. While you are speculating on what Satan believes I am quoting the Bible on what Satan believes. He believes in the existence of one God, and trembles. He has no belief in the Lord Jesus Christ. |
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Of course satan knew who the Word was from the very beginning. The trinity of God has always been. It didn't become a trinity with Christ's life on earth. Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. Jesus is the Word. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. God created satan. Ezekiel 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. He was a cherub. Ezekiel 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Satan came amoung the sons of God. Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD. God cast him out of Heaven. Ezekiel 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! Yes... satan knew who Jesus was even before Jesus/the Word was born as a man. Satan believed "in" who Jesus was from the very beginning. What satan didn't know was what Christ's death meant for the salvation of man. 1 Corinthians 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: 1 Corinthians 2:8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. In Christ, Cindy |
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I am fully aware of who Satan is and that he knows who Jesus Christ is. |
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Mr Wonder: You wrote both of this messages did you not? Copied and pasted from message 45 He believes in the existence of one God, and trembles. He has no belief in the Lord Jesus Christ. Copied and pasted from message 47 I am fully aware of who Satan is and that he knows who Jesus Christ is. If you are saying that there is a difference between "knowing who someone is"..... and "believing who someone is, then I see no difference between the two concepts. If you are making a contrast between knowing who someone is, and believing "in" who they are, then I also maintain that there is a difference between those two concepts and believing "ON" someone; not just who they are but what they did, and what they did meant. I know who the president is...George Bush... I believe that he is the president of the United States. Having belief "in" him is something else... and believing "on" him is yet again something else entirely. In Christ, Cindy |
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Mr Wonder: You wrote both of this messages did you not? Copied and pasted from message 45 He believes in the existence of one God, and trembles. He has no belief in the Lord Jesus Christ. Copied and pasted from message 47 I am fully aware of who Satan is and that he knows who Jesus Christ is. Certainly. To believe in the Lord Jesus Christ is to have eternal life. "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved." Acts 16.31. Satan knows who Jesus Christ is but has no belief in Him. His belief is limited to knowing that one God exists, and that God is Jesus Christ, but he does not believe in the Lord Jesus. The Greek word "eis" is translated several ways, including "in" and "on". I DO NOT believe in George Bush and I DO NOT believe on George Bush. I know he exists and that's all. |
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If you are saying that there is a difference between "knowing who someone is"..... and "believing who someone is, then I see no difference between the two concepts. [Cindy] There's a big difference. I know who George Washington is and I know who Abraham Lincoln is, but I don't have a personal relationship with either one of them. They are not my Saviour nor my Lord. Jesus Christ is satan's Lord, but not his Saviour. He believes in the existence of one God and that belief never saved anyone, human or demon. |
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Are you saying that satan didn't know that God was a Trinity? That satan didn't know God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit? In Christ, Cindy |
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No, I am not addressing that in any way at all. I am saying only what the Bible says. "Thou believest there is one God? The demons believe and tremble." Satan believes there is one God but that doesn't save him. It won't save you or me either. We must place our faith in Jesus Christ alone--believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved. The devil can't do that. Please read Matthew 12.21, when you have opportunity. (Changing the subject a bit). |
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Mr Wonder As you are changing the subject a bit... I started a new thread "Which Gentiles?" with Matthew 12:21. You may not have a problem with the long threads... but my dinosaur computer starts to plod when the thread gets long.  . In Christ, Cindy |
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Mine is ok as long as there are no photos. Which Gentiles? Everyone who is not Jewish is Gentile. |
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