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Hi, i own 2 Rhodesian Ridgebacks a 6 year old and a 3 year old. Im a member of rhodesian ridgeback galore and also run my own ridgeback group and i am also interested in the Thai ridgebacks abd looking at the similarities and genes.
Jodi
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Welcome.
Anyone that owns a TRD will tell you, they get excited when one says Ridgeback! I know that is a big dog is usually what I hear. They're thinking of RRs. I hadto take my girl to an emergency Vet one night and they did a web search because they only knew of RR.
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Thankyou for the welcomes. Ive been browsing the site and it looks very interesting. Looking forward to adding my 5 cents to the discussions. Jodi |
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You all made me jealous I could
not see the pictures I guess my computer has a different set up or maybe dial
up.Anyway I am jealous.
Have any of you had a litter? And if so how
do you find the pups. What I mean is my Border Collie pups grow and play and
wrestle with each other and love the toys I give them. The Cattle dog pups are
almost violent with each other Right from the get go. I sometimes have to
separate the little guys from the big guys until I can assert more influence. My
kelpies are good and play normal with each other. How do the TRD ;s
do?
Terri
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Hi Terri,
The TRds play ruff and scraps will start usally around 6 weeks. They can actually start earlier, but nothing really bad..They defintiely start to form hierarchies early and the battles can become just a fierce as an adult dog fight, but just a smaller version..They can really lay into eachother...
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"Nothing really bad?"  James: I've got to disagree w/you....  please don't hate me....  The litter I had last year one of my puppies at 9 weeks of age, seriously injured his sibling, (tried to dismember his brother), cost me $900.00 at the Vets office to keep the little guy well, and not get his bites infected, etc... I would guess, you could say they're most like, what I would imagine your Cattledogs to be like. I can say that my Basenjis (who are also primitive) were never as "aggressive" neither were my Jack Russell Terriers.... But then all litters are different.... |
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Cathy,
Why would I hate you???
If you re read my post,I stated that up until 6 weeks, its nothing bad...but after, they can fight as fierce as adults,just a miniature version..
However, it still remains the same, its really just hierarchy struggles.
Litters will vary no doubt, and if you have more dominant personalities, then the battles will ensue..
its usually the middle ranking pups that get into the most scraps.They pick on the weaker or equal status pups to fight for rank.Every now and again, the highest rank needs to flex to remind someone who's boss in the litter.
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Going to jump in here if you don't mind. I agree
totally with you James at least with the litters I have had here. The
odd time there is a pup that I need to pull out because they all use it as a tug
toy. So they really need to be managed. I find it more stressful than my BC or
Kelpies who just play and rarely get aggressive with each other. . My Rat
Terriers make allot of noise but their quarrels are just play fighting. They
really enjoy each other more than any other breed I have been lucky enough to
observe.
I was at a behavior seminar last weekend. They
discussed how our adjusting the dogs looks affect how they get along with other
dogs. IE a docked tail may not be able to signal like a normal tail. Fluffy dogs
or ridgeback dogs may look like hackles are up signaling aggression to the other
dog.. Really hairy dogs can't use facial expression or ear placement for calming
signals. Interesting. hmmmmm
Terri
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Cathy,
Why would I hate
you???
If you re read my post,I stated that up until 6
weeks, its nothing bad...but after, they can fight as fierce as
adults,just a miniature version..
However, it still
remains the same, its really just hierarchy
struggles.
Litters will vary no doubt, and if you have more
dominant personalities, then the battles will ensue..
its
usually the middle ranking pups that get into the most
scraps.They pick on the weaker or equal status pups to fight for
rank.Every now and again, the highest rank needs to flex to
remind someone who's boss in the
litter.
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Hi Teri,
Very interesting input, and I have to say, i think I agree!
I never really thought about that, how tails, hair length etc can cause issues, but it really makes sense. I have read an interesting article recently, pertaining to pack instincts, and wolf/dog relations.
The articles I read basically stated, that for humans to associate dog behavior to wolves in ludicrous, due to domestication.
Thousands of years of domestication, not relying on hunting in packs to survive, and basically having their lives "catered" to in a sense have surely altered dog behaviors and set them apart form wild canines.This alteration has confused their communications, thus effecting their overall behaviors.
In summary, dogs can tend to be more aggressive with each other, miscommunicate, and thus the true "pack instinct/behavior has been clouded with loss of survival skills.
it basically states that the dog is no more wolf ,than a human in chimpanzee!
it was very interesting, but made alot of sense.
All too often trainers approach dogs using the pack instinct/behaviors of wolves and the theories behind them, to work with a domestic dog that just dont get it! |
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James
your a genius. I agree totally with you. Dogs
have been removed from wolves. But there is still a hard wired DNA type of
communication. Use of tail ears tight skin around the mouth, hard eye etc. But
when you said miscommunication a light bulb went off for me. They have lost
their native language and we can't thoroughly communication in English with them
they get frustrated trying to communicate with us and other dogs so they
sometimes have inappropriate responses to dog social situations. When there is a
balanced pack of good communicating domestic dogs like we have here there are
few problems. I am there to manage but mostly they understand themselves.
My job is to be observant and find how the things I learn apply to the
situation. Like staring just before stiff just before lip lift just before ears
forward just before slight movement forward just before hold breath then bang a
battle.
Then people tell me there was no warning. !
Happened out of the blue.
So many dogs that come here are bold and impolite
in behavior and don't get the many warnings until they are corrected by
another dog. Many have no understanding of the calming signal I see here in my
dogs towards new members. Then If I don't intervene with a block I would have a
fight.
Terri
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Hi Teri,
Very interesting
input, and I have to say, i think I agree!
I never really
thought about that, how tails, hair length etc can cause issues,
but it really makes sense. I have read an interesting article
recently, pertaining to pack instincts, and wolf/dog
relations.
The articles I read basically stated, that for
humans to associate dog behavior to wolves in ludicrous, due to
domestication.
Thousands of years of domestication, not
relying on hunting in packs to survive, and basically having
their lives "catered" to in a sense have surely altered dog
behaviors and set them apart form wild canines.This alteration
has confused their communications, thus effecting their overall
behaviors.
In summary, dogs can tend to be more
aggressive with each other, miscommunicate, and thus the true
"pack instinct/behavior has been clouded with loss of survival
skills.
it basically states that the dog is no more wolf
,than a human in chimpanzee!
it was very interesting, but
made alot of sense.
All too often trainers approach dogs
using the pack instinct/behaviors of wolves and the theories
behind them, to work with a domestic dog that just dont get
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Hi Teri,
Another thing to consider is dogs are selectively bred for certain traits, whetehr being more gamey, hunting, tracking, running etc.
If a certain breed is bred, and was bred as fighter, then realistically, how could you expect it to have true social pack behaviors with other dogs, when their sole purpose is hardwired for battle?
The TRD is now effected too, although it ancestory would have had a more balanced pack instinct due to be a feral type dog..This would have also created territorial issues in its fight for survival. it resource guarding tendencies will make alot of sense. A canine in the wild, realizes its food is scarce and must fight to keep it once a kill has been made.
So many of the tendencies of a TRD are explainable.
However, the fact remains, they are domestic, and their communications with eachother can be muddied up.
I think a more fitting description of the dog should be it is a
social" being rather than "pack" oriented.
I have started to read " the Culture Clash" by Jean Donaldson and she has some very down to earth insight on dog behavior..
She really puts into perspective the ignorance most of us have when intepereting and communicating with dogs..
I am not finished with the book to make any evaluation of it, but so far, it is quite interesting. I think, however, I may disagree with some things so far, but who am I?
( not genius you think, LOL)
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I agree with you James, I don't believe all dogs are pack dogs! Serge has said TRD bitch has litter in ground hole and stays there for 2 weeks with pups. So TRD is loner and pack maybe is only "family". I can't understand even why Cesar insists ALL breeds can be in a pack! As you say dogs have been bred for different purposes. Beagles and Racoon hounds are pack hunters for selfdense and speed of their prey.
From time to time a show on PBS shows evolution of dog breeds and says there is now a theory that all dogs "may not" have evoled from wolves - only Northern breeds - double coated dogs.
I can't imagine keeping multiple purebreds in a pack unless they are neutered.
A family of purebreds - I can understand.
From time to time this situation occurs. I don't agree with Cesar on a lot - except the owner and family are "leaders" of pets/pet.
The need to have a socialable dog is questioned in some places. This can lead to loss of "watch dog".
If I can walk Ginger without having to fear she would attack another leashed dog is all I ask. A dog not on lead and running at us is not good under any circumstances! I have come to dislike people that have the attitude "their dog" can approach anyone and anything because it will not "bite". Our Elkhounds were put on "heel" when approaching other people when not on lead because not everyone likes being sniffed or licked. Our Elkhounds were given "cues" when not on lead and did not approach other dogs but would be at our sides unless the strange dog approached us or our kids.
Jo-Ann
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2 people aggreeing with me at one time... and 1 is Jo-Ann! let me mark my calendar... |
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and not all people are built to live in packs either lol . I work with the idea of giving dogs jobs to match as best i can the problem they are desplaying and the work they were designed to do . if these r 2 far appart we work on distraction and the the first . Once a dog can be distracted any behaviour can be re designed . |
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