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Who is that dog on the home page?
And may I ask I have been told that the trd's
have a sort of switch that at about 9mos-18 mos they switch from nice dog to not
so nice dog. I have found with the girl I am working with that I have to be very
gentle with my corrections she is very sensitive to me. She eats out of my hand
with all the others Rat Terriers Aust Cattle dogs BC's and Aust Kelpies 15 of
them all taking turns. I slowly desensitized her to this. I take her
everywhere Restaurants grocery stores etc. every day she is somewhere. Am I
missing something? Is it inevitable that she will go south on me? I am working
her in agility (Puppy) not toy motivated but really food motivated has anyone
had experience with them in agility. She is like a cat. I have a 100% recall on
her she is starting to stay more focused on me and her work. I have her loose on
my farm when I am out she goes with me on the ATV she has always returned even
though sometimes she stretches my comfort level. Any help I would be so grateful
for I feel like I am in entirely new water here She trains so differently
than other dogs I have had experience with.
Thanks group for your help
Terri
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Hi Terri, i dont know whose dog it is, but i just posted it because a TRD was sued.although, the foto looks familiar. Dont be afraid of the TRD..Just keep doing what you're doing and all will be fine.. A fight is inevitable sometime down the road, but it may not her who starts it either... You may see some adjustments in her temperament and behaviors, but nothg short of normal teenage years, then she will calm down...Once she is fixed, any chance of issue will diminish sharply. James |
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Dear Teri,
Didn't you find "other" breeds change at sexual maturity? The TRD temperament is not stable, my rescue is Jekly and Hyde. I'm never sure which dog is with me. Yes, these dogs are very sensitive and thinkers. They are known to get bored with repetition - once they master something they don't like doing it over and over again.
We had 5 inches of rain in a few hours and the water table is already high so our yard became a lake. An old stump stuck up and Ginger had the problem of getting to it without getting wet. My husband and I watched her try several ways to get there. You caould almost smell the smoke coming from her brain. LOL She went thru low water and accross the mulch in the garden to get to the stump. She then jumped the 12 inches to the stump. She was now stranded! She finally made it off the stump and traced her way back thru the garden.
What you are wtnessing to me is primitive traits in breed. That is why you say you've not seen dog like this. They are VERY much a one person dog!!!
I come from Norwegian Elkhound background - thinking, hunters, independent and lovable. Close but not.
Jo-Ann
P.S. You sound as if you have avery good start but no one can really predict and this breed is unforgiving. |
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Terri,
I think that all dogs go through stages. Even the "gentle" Golden goes through an addle minded stage from about 1-3yrs.
I agree that you sound like you have a good start. I wouldn't be as inclined as James to say a fight is inevitable, but don't be surprised if there is an altercation in the future.
When Sadie was a pup she went everywhere with me that a dog could go. She was socialized in just about every situation you could think of. She is great with people. Mostly she doesn't care too much about other dogs (except for her "boyfriend" Rantoul - those two are inseparable).
However, she scared the hades out of me one time at the dog park. There was a full grown Mastiff who just wouldn't leave her alone. I asked the owner to call her dog away and her response was "he doesn't mean anything by it". I told her that Sadie didn't like being bothered after she had told the dog a few times so "please call your dog". Almost as if on cue Sadie went chest to chest with this huge dog. My heart stopped for a moment. She is smart enough to use her smaller size to her advantage and momentarily the Mastiff was on its back calling Uncle. Unless a dog is actively attacking her I call her off in these situations, so since the dog gave up, and the owner came over to finally get her dog away from us, I called Sadie off and we continued to play. But it is imperative that you start that kind of training very early and continue with it.
As far as smart is concerned...There is a very accomplished trainer around here who will not work with TRD's. According to him they are too dang smart...I told him he's just a lazy trainer.
Just like Ginger could solve the route puzzle, Sadie had her problem solving epiphany at the beach one summer. Her mouth is too small for two tennis balls, but she just cannot allow another dog the chance to get her balls. So in my own version of torture, I threw two balls out into the lake for her to get. Her distress at having to leave one was apparent. Leaving one ball was totally unacceptable. She swam around the extra ball for a moment and you could see her thinking. Then she swam about 4 feet toward shore, dropped the ball in her mouth into the water, went back for the other ball and leap frogged it 4 feet in front of the other ball, dropped that ball in the water, went back...... By leap frogging the balls she got them both to shore without leaving one vulnerable to stealing by another dog.
These dogs really are frighteningly intelligent. But you will never have a dull moment and they are fun and full of personality (at least that's my experience).
As far as loose on the farm is concerned...I would never give any dog more freedom than they can handle. I've had dogs I never let off leash, I had one that I trusted implicitly to come to me directly on recall from anywhere he could hear me (Barney). I would say that Sadie is about 90% of Barney in the recall arena. Some of that is her getting side tracked into something she finds interesting...that could be digging bugs out of the ground, or stalking a squirrel. Sometimes I think it's just exercising her independence.
The most important thing is not to feel like you're playing catch-up. If a TRD (or just about any other dog for that matter) thinks they are running things, you are in a whole world of hurt and trouble.
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Hello Terri,
My experience working with the Thai Ridgeback seems very much like what youre describing. I find they can be rather moody regardless of age, sex, etc. I find it often relates to what there needs are at the time or whats going on in the environment at the time. it could be too cold, too hot, dog is tired, or excited, needs to relieve itself, etc...it could be any myriad of things but for whatever reason the dog is not so interested in me and what I want to happen at that moment. Kinda like a cat, eh? In regard to corrections you could call them sensitive, but I call them reactive. Ive been trained in a more traditional method incorporating positive reinforcement along with corrections. However I do not think the traditional physical leash pop corrections are always appropriate for all breeds, and the Thai Ridgeback(along with other primitives) is one of them. the Thai ridgeback in the wrong mood/state of mind will often object to such corrections. In these circumstances I would opt to use something like a squirt bottle or shake can to disrupt the unwanted behavior. These types of corrections are less likely to bring out any dominance issues and allow us to convey to the dog that something it did was not acceptable without a confrontation.
If you do happen to get into a confrontation over a correction i would advise you not to just stop the session. that would only teach the dog that it only needs to snarl and/or scream at you to get out of the task at hand. Instead push through but modify your approach to minimize the dogs objections/reaction. taking a step back to give the dog some easy successes is a good idea as well before aiming for some quick easy wins with whatever caused the problem in the first place. We always try to end on a good note but if thats not happening just put her away and start again later.
I find that at first many of the TR do not show much prey drive(not really into the toys) especially if there are food rewards around. They can be motivated with toys but i needed to ditch the food rewards for awhile and tighten up on the amount of freedom the dogs had. starting them with a toy on a string also really helped to build drive in them. Once youve got her into the toy, trading for food treats can help to minimize possessive tendencies.
Ive attached some pics for you. This was her first day on the agility equipment. The other pics are just us hanging out and the dog being quite the social sweatheart (so long as nobody asks much of her).
Keep in mind they arent all like this (dominant, independent, pushy, challenging/questioning, etc.), though as a generalization i wouldnt disagree. I do have another female that comes across as quite biddable. she has a very different personality though her temperament is much the same.
From my experience the other breeds you mention are all high drive dogs: much easier to motivate and focus. Those dogs love working where the TR is more "freedom loving". Its something I try to keep in mind when working with them.
Who is that dog on the homepage? I dont know but I think its a pretty sad example/representative of a Thai Ridgeback.
Feel free to email me. Id like to hear more of your experiences.
James
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Hi Terri !! The TRD temperament feel like not stable is because we always plan to changing them for adopt our human standard The TRD are not an aggressive breed but do carried aggression, there are not a problem if owner recognized and knowing how to deal with !! The TRD personality could change all the time depend on how owner raised them! For example : when a lonely TRD pup who live alone during day time which owner going for work will soon develop into a well independence thinker and will ignore recall once he got fully mature and busy on own business, so it's his fault ? or because he is untrainable ? or the owner faults ? |
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Cheri
I can't thank you enough for taking the time to
respond. I Know she is a special lady like none I have ever encountered.
Rose has done an incredible job socializing her and I intend not to loose that
gift. I would dearly love your feed back as we grow together. Thank
you.
Terri
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Terri,
I think that all dogs
go through stages. Even the "gentle" Golden goes through an
addle minded stage from about 1-3yrs.
I agree that you
sound like you have a good start. I wouldn't be as inclined as
James to say a fight is inevitable, but don't be surprised if
there is an altercation in the future.
When Sadie was a
pup she went everywhere with me that a dog could go. She was
socialized in just about every situation you could think of. She
is great with people. Mostly she doesn't care too much about
other dogs (except for her "boyfriend" Rantoul - those two are
inseparable).
However, she scared the hades out of me
one time at the dog park. There was a full grown Mastiff who
just wouldn't leave her alone. I asked the owner to call her dog
away and her response was "he doesn't mean anything by it". I
told her that Sadie didn't like being bothered after she had
told the dog a few times so "please call your dog". Almost as if
on cue Sadie went chest to chest with this huge dog. My heart
stopped for a moment. She is smart enough to use her smaller
size to her advantage and momentarily the Mastiff was on its
back calling Uncle. Unless a dog is actively attacking her I
call her off in these situations, so since the dog gave up, and
the owner came over to finally get her dog away from us, I
called Sadie off and we continued to play. But it is imperative
that you start that kind of training very early and continue
with it.
As far as smart is concerned...There is a very
accomplished trainer around here who will not work with TRD's.
According to him they are too dang smart...I told him he's just
a lazy trainer.
Just like Ginger could solve the route
puzzle, Sadie had her problem solving epiphany at the beach one
summer. Her mouth is too small for two tennis balls, but she
just cannot allow another dog the chance to get her balls. So in
my own version of torture, I threw two balls out into the lake
for her to get. Her distress at having to leave one was
apparent. Leaving one ball was totally unacceptable. She swam
around the extra ball for a moment and you could see her
thinking. Then she swam about 4 feet toward shore, dropped the
ball in her mouth into the water, went back for the other ball
and leap frogged it 4 feet in front of the other ball, dropped
that ball in the water, went back...... By leap frogging the
balls she got them both to shore without leaving one vulnerable
to stealing by another dog.
These dogs really are
frighteningly intelligent. But you will never have a dull moment
and they are fun and full of personality (at least that's my
experience).
As far as loose on the farm is
concerned...I would never give any dog more freedom than they
can handle. I've had dogs I never let off leash, I had one that
I trusted implicitly to come to me directly on recall from
anywhere he could hear me (Barney). I would say that Sadie is
about 90% of Barney in the recall arena. Some of that is her
getting side tracked into something she finds interesting...that
could be digging bugs out of the ground, or stalking a squirrel.
Sometimes I think it's just exercising her independence.
The most important thing is not to feel like you're
playing catch-up. If a TRD (or just about any other dog for that
matter) thinks they are running things, you are in a whole world
of hurt and trouble.
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That is a very good point! I am trying to balance
having her with me all the time because she is so bad in a kennel or crate
-great in the car or when with me. I want her to get used to being alone
so I do a little at a time. Don't want separation anxiety either. Its a
balancing act.
Terri
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Hi Terri !!
The TRD temperament feel like not stable is because we
always plan to changing them for adopt our human
standard
The TRD are not an aggressive breed but do carried
aggression, there are not a problem if owner recognized and
knowing how to deal with !!
The TRD personality could change all the time depend on how
owner raised them!
For example : when a lonely TRD pup who live alone during
day time which owner going for work will soon develop into a
well independence thinker and will ignore recall once he got
fully mature and busy on own business, so it's his fault ? or
because he is untrainable ? or the owner faults
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James
Thank you as well for taking the time to help me
out. That is very valuable information . I think you have saved me some trouble.
I am disappointed that I could not open and see the pictures you attached to the
email rats! I am glad you said that was a poor dog on the home page as I was
afraid of offending someone but that is one ugly picture. Terri
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Hello Terri,
My experience
working with the Thai Ridgeback seems very much like what youre
describing. I find they can be rather moody regardless of age,
sex, etc. I find it often relates to what there needs are at the
time or whats going on in the environment at the time. it could
be too cold, too hot, dog is tired, or excited, needs to relieve
itself, etc...it could be any myriad of things but for whatever
reason the dog is not so interested in me and what I want to
happen at that moment. Kinda like a cat, eh? In regard to
corrections you could call them sensitive, but I call them
reactive. Ive been trained in a more traditional method
incorporating positive reinforcement along with corrections.
However I do not think the traditional physical leash pop
corrections are always appropriate for all breeds, and the Thai
Ridgeback(along with other primitives) is one of them. the Thai
ridgeback in the wrong mood/state of mind will often object to
such corrections. In these circumstances I would opt to use
something like a squirt bottle or shake can to disrupt the
unwanted behavior. These types of corrections are less likely to
bring out any dominance issues and allow us to convey to the dog
that something it did was not acceptable without a
confrontation.
If you do happen to get into a confrontation
over a correction i would advise you not to just stop the
session. that would only teach the dog that it only needs to
snarl and/or scream at you to get out of the task at hand.
Instead push through but modify your approach to minimize the
dogs objections/reaction. taking a step back to give the dog
some easy successes is a good idea as well before aiming for
some quick easy wins with whatever caused the problem in the
first place. We always try to end on a good note but if thats
not happening just put her away and start again later.
I
find that at first many of the TR do not show much prey
drive(not really into the toys) especially if there are food
rewards around. They can be motivated with toys but i needed to
ditch the food rewards for awhile and tighten up on the amount
of freedom the dogs had. starting them with a toy on a string
also really helped to build drive in them. Once youve got her
into the toy, trading for food treats can help to minimize
possessive tendencies.
Ive attached some pics for you. This
was her first day on the agility equipment. The other pics are
just us hanging out and the dog being quite the social
sweatheart (so long as nobody asks much of her).
Keep in
mind they arent all like this (dominant, independent, pushy,
challenging/questioning, etc.), though as a generalization i
wouldnt disagree. I do have another female that comes across as
quite biddable. she has a very different personality though her
temperament is much the same.
From my experience the other
breeds you mention are all high drive dogs: much easier to
motivate and focus. Those dogs love working where the TR is more
"freedom loving". Its something I try to keep in mind when
working with them.
Who is that dog on the homepage? I
dont know but I think its a pretty sad example/representative of
a Thai Ridgeback.
Feel free to email me. Id like to hear
more of your
experiences.
James
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