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From: MSN Nicknametotempting  (Original Message)Sent: 9/16/2008 2:25 PM
Three More Dog Breeds Added to Blacklist in Geneva_ Switzerland

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Bullmastiffs, Thai ridgebacks and French mastiffs �?also known as Bordeaux bulldogs �?have been banned in Geneva because they are potentially vicious.

Regional authorities on Monday added the three breeds to a list of dogs considered too dangerous to keep as pets. Fifteen breeds are now banned in the canton.

The new law is not retroactive for pets already in the canton, but those who own the breeds must report them to local veterinary affairs offices.

The move comes after Geneva residents in February voted overwhelmingly in favour of banning vicious dogs following highly publicised attacks on children. Other cantons have also banned breeds of vicious dogs, including Fribourg and Valais.

In August 2006 a child was disfigured by a pitbull terrier in a Geneva city park. In 2005 a six-year-old boy in a Zurich suburb was mauled to death by three pitbull terriers.

Other banned breeds include Rottweilers, pitbull terriers and American Staffordshire terriers.

http://www.swissinf o.ch/eng/ news_digest/ Three_dog_ breeds_added_ to_Geneva_ blacklist. html?siteSect= 104&sid=9724749&cKey=1221492127000&ty=nd
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From: MSN NicknamePaitoons_SiamSent: 9/16/2008 9:43 PM
Hello

I live at Swiss with 3 Thai-Ridgeback - and I`m breeder at the SWISS kennel Club.

Please let me notice, that the info here is false - the Thai isn`t banned from SWISS!!! Only from a region at SWISS called Geneva with around 450`000 townsfolks.

We have 19 chip-registrated Thai-Ridgeback lived at SWISS. 5 from them are mixed - the others are:

1 PA (I`m owner)
1 SIBUA (I`m owner)
5 Puppies SIBUA (I`m the breeder)
1 Cely
1 Lister
1 Amia
1 Wakai
3 Du Pondruff

The 3 dogs "Du Pondruff" live at Geneva region - they have had big problems (I hear) - and I saw one time at a dogshow by myself. The 3 dogs are very shy and not friendly. At a other Show one of them must go out from the ring.

I hear - some months ago - that one of this 3 dogs must be put into sleep - but I`don`t know for sure.

As you can see - only 3 dogs can destroy a breed at such a small country like SWISS...

But please correct the part "TR banned in Switzerland" this is really not correct.

We take it on the way "keep cool" - we try to make a good reputation (go to make exam and so on)...

The laws here about dogs "come and go" and the best way is to "stay still" and make a good job with the dog (nonsense with breed it is).

All the best

HiSa

www.paitoons.ch

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From: MSN NicknameThai-BlazeIISent: 9/17/2008 1:18 PM
Thanks for the update Sabrina.
As far as I know some of of your puppies where sent abroad, so it must be less TRDs in Swiss...
Thank you for your good work. Creator of the German TRD network.

There is a lot of different temperament in the TRD breed....
from shyness to aggressions..hunters, prey catchers (read cats!) or common companion dogs and sweet family lovers.
That´s why its very important to ask and ask one more time, if you plan to get a TRD puppy.
Don´t forget to do your homework if you want to get an TRD!!!
Ask temperament!
Are the parents health tested?
How old are the parents and how many times will/or are they bred.
...Please give me references to puppy byers in the past!

Ask about the result of former litters.......
AND MOST IMPORTANT
"what happened to earlier litters, ARE THEY ALIVE?"
Are they healthy?..

Tina

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From: MSN NicknameThai-BlazeIISent: 9/17/2008 1:24 PM
sorry,
its me one more time. Hope you understand my crappy English.

I just noticed I wrote puppy "byers". (haha!)
--It is not my way to say good bye to them, its only my swinglish!
= Swedish english! I am so sorry, one more time!! shame on me! ;-)
I still have problems to separate "bye" and "buy".
Hope you understand...
Tina

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From: MSN Nicknamebattitude4uSent: 9/17/2008 3:24 PM
Very good points Tina, thank you.

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From: MSN NicknamePaitoons_SiamSent: 9/18/2008 7:32 AM
Heja Tina

Please excuse - I forgot to remark, that the count of 19 Thai-Ridgebacks was on February 2008 - so at this time ALL my 5 puppies are registered at SWISS. After they move out of SIWSS, the new owner made the changement of Chip-info.

In my opinion - the most important part has the breeder if he sell the puppies "somewhere". He must be sure, that the new owner is really ready for a Thai-Ridgeback, but sad, a lot breeders sell puppies only to get money or that they found a "new home" for them...

THIS is in my opinion the bigest problem and it will come more and more difficult `cause there will be more and more breeders with puppies...

HiSa

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From: MSN NicknameNjoyDKSent: 9/18/2008 8:31 AM
I must admit that the fact that TRDs are banned even if in just a region in Swiss, its a HUGE problem for the breed that we cant take very serious.
 
Its said that for every negative/bad word said, it takes 19 good ones to re balance the scale ...
 
With as relative small a breed as the TRD we REALLY have to work hard on preventing any bad publicity what so ever, as were simply not "out there" enough to balance the scale fast enough to avoid damage to the breed.
 
I believe thats done by :
 
1) Picking our breeding material very carefully
 
2) Working HARD to socialize the puppies
 
3) Be more visible, attend Shows etc with calm and friendly dogs.
 
4) Be open about the potential temperament of the breed if asked.
 
5) Choose our buyers VERY carfully, do a great job working out if they are ready for a breed like the TRD and if they have room and  "dog owner experience" to handle the breed.
 
6) Add a clause in our sales agreements that :
 
6,1) Buyers should attend puppy training with the TRD to get out among other dogs, and to train obedience/agility/tracking ... as dogs not properly exercised mentally and Physically are more prone to aggression than well stimulated dogs.
 
6,2) TRDs can only be bred with TRDs, to avoid as an Example TRD+Pittbul mixes as i believe in a situation where a person will be bitten they wont prevent mix breeds but the breeds that were in that particular dog that did the biting.
 
6,3) Calm and well socialized TRD puppies must be shown at least once at an intranational dog show, to make the breed seen more.
 
6,4) Exreamely aggressive or shy dogs should be neutered, and in this way taken out of breeding.
 
6,5) Extreamely aggressive or shy dogs should not be shown.
 
 
7) Avoid allowing too high an inbreed percentage, calculated from close relatives bred together.
 
I know some of my goals are setting the bar high, but this is meant as my point of view and a few pointers to where I think we should set in to prevent the banning to spread to other regions/countries.
 
NjoyDK
 
 
 

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