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Ok Serge, Ann show me the other board - I never knew it existed! Will you take a look at him. I would really value your opinion! Rose |
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Sorry Ann, I can't see them on my computer anymore - so I'm reposting - please bare with me. Here is Loki at 18 weeks, He belongs to Michael, the gentleman who's thoughts I posted last week. He will be shown on the east coast if all goes well. Evaluations welcome. |
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Rose, they eventually dissapeared from my computer as well! Okay, general comments only for puppies at this stage of growth. When I saw this photo I was like, WOW! What beautiful expression. Loki has a wonderful headpiece. His front shoulder angulation is wonderful. He is standing high in the rear as I would expect a puppy of his age to do. His rear angles are also good. He will catch up to himself as an adult. I also love Loki's forechest. That is the little part of the chest that protrudes forward in front of the shoulders when viewed from the side. Many of the blues lack forchest. Also, he has beautiful width to the chest when viewed from the front as well as great shoulder attachment and straight front legs! I am excited to see him mature as he will only get better. Great length of neck. |
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Rose: At this age and this level of growth a full critique would come accross as unecessarily hypercritical. I would prefer to see again at 24 weeks. He has "presence" which for a show dog is very important. I have seen lesser quality dogs regularly fall to dogs who exhibit themselves well and have a winning attitude. Sometimes it can be taught but most of the time the dog has it or it does not. Color is lovely and I liked his expression while looking directly at you. The areas where I have not seen improvement from the beginning are his feet and pasterns. Having hounds and terriers, feet are important to me. It also effects movement, endurance and the overall look. With all due respect to Anne, I also remain concerned about his neck/shoulder attachment. How big is he? Looking forward to seeing him grow and develope. K |
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Hi Rose,
My thoughts for the moment, viewing these fotos , mirror more of Kathy's views for the moment.
At first impression, I have troubles with the neck and shoulder placement. A sure sign that this is probably not set right is the excessive folds of skin where the shoulder should blend smoother into the neck line.
His pasterns are definitely weak as of right now, but this may improve over time. He is high in the rear, which can be normal, as I am dealing with it right now myself, but, knowing this, when the puppy is stacked, it should realistically level it off. I think his trouble is in his lower thigh.It may be too long and is taking away from the appearance of substance and muscle. I do like the well let down hock.
If his pasterns improve, his overall topline may as well with age.
I think also as of now, he is looking a little "bitchy' in the head and muzzle.
He is young, and I can tell you this, my SiGahn looked like a rat when i first got her around a similar age, and she blossomed into a beauty. Somethings improved in her growth, and some things actually went the other way.
I also agree with kathy on his overall attitude, which can be seen in the way he is holding himself, very alert and attentive.. it means he is full of himself, which is half the battle.
His underline is good and his front appears good strait on, but again,I think his pastern need improvement.
So, my opinion as of now, is he needs to be seen again around 6-8 months. But realistically, 15 months old will give you the best idea of what your dog is.
So for now, look at it like this, he took his goofy 5year old kindergarten foto..( you know the one we all got, the missing tooth, goofy smile, messy haired school pic ,LOL)
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He is high in the rear, but most puppies (lord knows everyone I've ever seen, including my Grand Blue de Gascon) reaches hight in the rear first, same goes for Basenjis, and many Quarter Horses as well... dunno why that is... maybe the creator just "likes big butts, and cannot lie." I think the first shot is taken at an odd angle, if you notice his feet placement on the table, you'll note that the front and back foot is not in line w/each other. Lets face it puppies are harder than hell to stack; however, I do have pointers that will teach a dog where to place their feet, providing that the owner knows where their dogs feet should be and proper placement (that's usually the hardest to teach a person). Take (in large breed dogs) four large cans of green beans... set them on your floor... space them evenly apart, (it may take several tries to get the dog to stand on them), make it sort of high enough (tall and wide cans) so that if one of the feet falls off, they'll instantly re-stack their feet where he/she needs it to be. They actually sell some sort of small tables that look like dumbells to achieve this at dog shows... I'm cheap, canned beans work for me. This will also help them w/balance and strengthening their pasterns, hocks etc... I have a Basenji, Angel who I trained to stack this way, and now she'll "free stack" for me in a show... (course she had that "I'm all that and a bag of chips" attitude before we worked on feet placement). Also, if you feed you pups our of raised food bowls it will help them to place their feet straight (less chance of them going easty westy on you) as well, it's also better for deep chested dogs to eat out of raised bowls, (same for water).... When you show your dog, there are always "tricks of the trade" that some people (other handlers) will share w/you and some won't.... you can hide a or lessen the look of easty westy feet when you stack your dog (course, if they're really bad, it will show in a gait, depending upon how bad it is)... My foundation bitch Basenji (yes I know I keep refering to them)... is now badly pigeon toed... but I could fix that on the table when I stacked her (she's wasn't so bad when she was younger, I could tell and hence knew how to hide the fact on the table)... and it didn't show when she gaited.... You'll also want to keep their nails trimmed as short as posible... this will fix a lot of feet issues... If you can dremmel them, that's the best.. if you can't, then either have your vet due them surgically (carterize them, during a teeth cleaning) or clip them back yourself... By the time I get finished doing nails... I have to start all over again... it's a bitch! We could make his neck stronger and lose the wrinkling... if we just did what pit bull fighter people did... lets just wrap a boat chain around his neck several times and then lock it on w/a lock... let him wear that for a few hours every day; that will strengthen his neck and help him to lose those wrinkles..... don't do this unless you're a trained professional in Gansta Dog training!.... For a puppy in his stupid, ugly puppy stage, he sure looks pretty damned good to me... mind you, I only have one International Champion that's a Thai Ridgeback... the others are very typey, but they have that "don't touch me I'll chew off your arm and serve it back to you" look... not the perfect, "Hey Look At me I'm All That!" positive look.... Give it time... it will all change, and besides Thai Ridgebacks are supposed to have Wrinkles on their heads and loose skin around their neck.... after all that protected them when push came to shove in the Jungles of Thailand! I didn't post my puppies here (or even my dogs) because I know their faults, and well, I'm sorta thin skinned... I don't need anyone to tell me their faults.. I can see them.... and I give all you guys who post your pups pics here creadit where it's due... You can be judge a persons dog and be positive as well. |
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Rose, Is Loki dead? If so, how did it happen? K |
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There are sure alot of FU&C*D up people in this breed. I'm disgusted and fed up with about everyone. There is a poisonous spirit circulating...I don't give a s**t what happens at this point. What I do feel for are the dogs. |
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?????? Did I just step on a landmine? K |
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