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Ask the Armourer : Commonwealth vs. Metric FAL Differences
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From: MasterGunner  (Original Message)Sent: 5/15/2005 1:58 AM
The question was: "What are the most reliable cosmetic differences between Inch and Metric rifles?"
 
1.    The contour of the L1A1/C1A1 butt stock is different from metric.
2.    The shape of the L1A1/C1A1 pistol grip is different from the metric; it has less of a forward "rake" to it than the metric.
3.    The cocking handle of the L1A1/C1A1 folds down; the metric does not.
4.    The C1A1 has a short top cover with a stripper clip guide; the bolt carrier is exposed and has no sand cuts.  The L1A1 (Aussie, Brit) have a full length top cover and zig-zag "sand cuts" on the bolt carrier.  All L1A1/C1A1 top covers have projecting tabs on the end of the cover to act as a positive stop when they are installed on the upper receiver.
5.    The early L1A1/C1A1 rifles have wooden handles of varying designs.  However, the standard carrying handle for the L1A1/C1A1 is made of plastic: Aussie is green; British is black; Canadian is brown.  There are some cosmetic differences in the shape of the grip and attachment of the metal carrying handles among the Commonwealth rifles.
6.    Most L1A1/C1A1s may be found with wooden furniture; that is, butt stock, pistol grip, and handguards.  Butt stocks are very similar except that the C1A1 butt plate is attached by a sngle screw to the recoil spring tube inside the stock and it has a five-piece butt swivel like the Israeli FN FAL.  The wooden butt stocks come in four lengths: short, normal, long, and extra long.  L1A1 rifles have their butt plates attached by two screws; the lower screw also holds the lower sling swivel in place.  Late British L1A1 rifles may be found with black, pebble grain plastic butt stocks.  These plastic stocks come in one length, but the butt plate comes in four lengths: short, normal, long, and extra long.  The butt plate is attached by a machine screw to the recoil spring tube inside the butt stock.  The butt swivel attaches to a lug molded into the bottom of the stock and attaches with a machine screw.
7.    The C1/C1A1 handguards hare made of solid wood and do not have cooling slots.  British and Australian wooden handguards have cooling slots and may be either solid wood (both) or laminated wood (Aussie).  Late British handguards are black, pebble grain plastic and have cooling slots.
8.    The L1A1/C1A1 pistol grips have a separate trigger guard attached to a steel strap.  Wooden grips have a wood insert attached to the front of the strap and attach to the grip with a wood screw.  British black, pebble grain grips have a separate trigger guard and plastic strip.  The plastic strap attaches to the grip with a machine screw that goes into a threaded insert in the grip.  For winter use, the screw in either wood or plastic grips is removed, the trigger guard folded back so it mates with an interior cutout in the grip, and the strap and screw are re-installed.
9.   The gas block has open front sight ears and the front sight has a lock screw to hold the sight setting.  The gas plug has a square-cut notch.  If the block "freezes" due to carbon after prolonged firing, the notch acts as a wrenching spot for the bayonet to break it loose.
10. The L1A1/C1A1 has a flash suppressor [flash eliminator] screwed on the end of the barrel.  All suppressors have five slots, except late British L1A1s that have three.  The end of the suppressor is relieved to take the muzzle ring of the bayonet.  The bayonet stud is on the bottom of the suppressor and behind it is a bump that holds a lock pin and circular washer.  The washer mates with a cutout in the bottom of the barrel.  Inside the suppressor, on the end of the barrel, is a variable thickness washer that is used to position the suppressor in correct alignment relative to the barrel.
11. The L1A1/C1A1 magazines are different from their metric cousins.  Metric magazines have a semi-circular latch punched out of the magazine body on the top, front side.  Metric magazines have their floor plate holding tabs bent to the inside to retain the floor plate; L1A1/C1A1 tabs face outwards.  The L1A1/C1A1 magazine floor plates slide onto these tabs.  The floor plate is locked by an inner plate with a detent that is pressed against the floor plate by the magazine spring.  All L1A1/C1A1 magazines have a large latch silver soldered to the top, front side of the magazine body.  Metric magazines can be used in L1A1/C1A1 rifles, but they are a loose fit and may not feed properly.  The large front latch lug of the L1A1/C1A1 magazine prevents its use in any metric FAL rifle.
12. The gas adjusting sleeve on the L1A1/C1A1 is different than the metric and is retained by a C-spring.  Gas blocks of the L1A1/C1A1 are different than metric gas blocks.
13. Rear sights of L1A1/C1A1 are different than metric rear sights.  All L1A1/C1A1 sight apertures fold down.  L1A1 apertures are shaped like a tombstone and slide forward to make range changes; C1A1 apertures are round and rotate to make range changes.  L1A1 apertures fold forward; C1A1 apertures fold to the rear.
14. The L1A1/C1A1 upper receivers have a retangular milled cut on the right side of the magazine well.  When the carrying handle is folded down, it rests over this cutout.
15. The L1A1/C1A1 rifles do not have the bolt hold open pin found on metric rifles; in some cases, a shortened pin is installed and in others the pin is not installed but the pin holes is present.  The bolt closes after the firing of the last shot to keep dirt out of the rifle.  Metric rifle bolts are locked open on the last shot when the magazine follower engages the pin and pushes the hold open in front of the bolt carrier to hold it back.  The L1A1/C1A1 rifles have a magazine catch that can be operated by either hand; metric rifles have a catch that is operated by the right hand.
 
These are the main recognition points.
 
MasterGunner 


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From: MasterGunnerSent: 5/15/2005 2:12 AM
Corrections:
 
In paragraph 8, change to read: " . . . separate trigger guard and plastic strap."
In paragraph 9, change to read: "If the gas plug freezes . . ."
In paragraph 13, add: "Apertures of metric sights do not fold and come in three separate heights and adjust by sliding them forward to make range changes."

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From: MSN NicknameptepagetSent: 1/14/2008 11:02 PM
does any one know if the isophfor fn are metric or not . I want to get some stuff from dsa to build a fn for myself . If not i want to buy a metric fn from someone. email me at [email protected]

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From: MasterGunner01Sent: 5/14/2008 2:30 PM
Ishapore 1A1 rifles are a combination of both commonwealth and metric part features.  Usually, you can swap parts as assemblies and they will fit, but there are some parts that are peculiar to the Indian rifle.  Parts that are different include:
 
1.  Butt stock.  This is specific to the 1A1 and will not fit either a metric or commonwealth rifle.  The 1A1 butt stock has an aluminum butt plate (the same as the one for the Ishapore 2A1 7.62 NATO modification to the No. 1 Mk III Enfield) that's held on by two screws.  The sling swivel is a stamping that attaches to the stock with screws and the wrist (narrowest part) of the stock has the metal reinforement ferrule found on metric wooden stocks.  You cannot modify either a metric or Commonwealth stock to fit the Indian 1A1 rifle. 
 
2.  Lower receiver.  This resembles the L1A1 or C1A1, except for the attachment of the butt stock.  There is no semi-circular reinforcing lip on the Indian lower receiver that is found on the Commonwealth ABC rifle lower receivers.  Instead, the butt stock seats flush against the back of the lower receiver like the metric lower receivers.  Indian 1A1 lower receivers use the same kind of internal parts as their Commonwealth ABC rifle cousins.  You cannot use a Commonwealth butt stock on this receiver, but you might get a metric butt stock to fit (maybe).
 
3.  Front and rear sights.  Indian rear sight assemblies combine both metric and commonwealth features.  That is, the push button latch of the metric sights and the fold-down aperture of the Commonwealth L1A1 sights.  However, the heigh of the aperature is shorter -- similar to the metric rear sight aperatures that do not fold.  The front sights are patterened after the Israeli metric pattern and not the Commonwealth pattern.  Indian 1A1 gas blocks resemble the Commonwealth pattern, but have the Israeli metric front sight characteristics of front sight and spring.  Indian gas blocks and barrels use the metric gas port setup (that is 90 degrees to the bore), so only Indian parts can be used on 1A1 rifles.  Commonwealth L1A1 sights cannot be fitted, unless the Indian upper receiver is retapped for 1 inch 16 TIP threads.  [Commonwealth gas block gas ports have the port cut on an angle; Indian gas blocks gas ports are straight.]
 
4.  Pistol Grip and Handguards.  Commonwealth pattern is used, except for the wood.  The pistol grip screw has a small reinforcement screw on the side that Commonwealth grips do not.  There are two kinds of handguards and both are wood.  The first pattern resembles the first pattern L1A1 wooden handguards.  The second pattern is unique in profile only to Indian 1A1 rifles.  Both grips and handguards interchange with Commonwealth parts.
 
5.  Barrel.  Indian barrels resemble Commonwealth L1A1 barrels except the threads are those of the Israeli metric barrels -- that is, they are truly METRIC.  The 1 inch, 16 TPI pitch is used on all Commonwealth and metric barrels except Indian and Israeli.  The Indian 1A1 rifle front sling swivel is a stamping (different from both metric and Commonwealth).  Indian gas blocks resemble the Commonwealth desing in profile but have Israeli metric characteristics for the front sight blade and spring and use the metric 90 degree gas port.
 
6.  Magazines.  Indian 1A1 magazines follow the Commonwealth ABC or inch-pattern with the large latching lug on the front.  Indian magazines are about 1/4-inch longer than their Commonwealth cousins, but fit all Commonwealth rifles.  Indian 1A1 magazines are easily identified by the RFI (Rifle Factory Ishapore) markings.  Internal parts interchange with Commonwealth magazines.  India also makes a 7.62 NATO copy of the British L4A4 Bren gun (converted to 7.62 NATO), called the 1B.  The Indian 1B light machine gun uses a copy of the 30-round L4A1 magazine that will fit both Commonwealth ABC rifles and Indian 1A1 rifles.
 
7.  Cocking handle.  Indian 1A1 cocking handles fold like their Commonwealth cousins.  However, they are closer to the metric variation and need some fitting to mate with inch-pattern upper receivers. 
 
8.  Upper receivers.  Indian 1A1 upper receivers follow the British pattern of L1A1 receiver except for the barrel thread.  Indian barrel threads are the same as the metric Israeli.  Indian 1A1 receivers are not as well-finished as their British L1A1 cousins and show numerous tool marks.
 
9.  Top cover.  Indian 1A1 top covers follow the Commonwealth pattern with the stop lugs.  There is some variation in length between Commonwealth and Indian covers, the Indina being slightly shorter.  Australian and British L1A1 top covers may require fitting to work.
 
10.  Flash eliminators.  Indian 1A1 follow the British pattern of either 5-cut or 3-cut flash eliminators.  Indian models are stamped with "RFI".
 
11.  Carrying handle.  Indian 1A1 carrying handles resemble the first pattern British L1A1 wooden carrying handles.  Indian 1A1 carrying handles interchange with all Commonwealth or metric carrying handles, although the fit of the handle in the receiver may be either tight or sloppy depending on the diameter of the wire used.  The gas tube nut that holds the carrying handle in position in the upper receiver, is slightly larger in size and a different profile than either the Commonwealth or metric types.  Some minor fitting may be required to get non-Indian handguards to fit.
 
The Indian 1A1 is a very close clone to the Commonwealth L1A1 rifle -- except where it is different.  I hope this helps you.  Check the Rifle Factory Ishapore enteries in this section for photos of the rifle and piece parts.  The differences will be readily apparent.
 
 
 

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