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From: MasterGunner  (Original Message)Sent: 8/8/2006 6:15 PM
I just received an e-mail from Randy Kline at Sledgehammer Arms Works and he's putting the finishing touches on my Brit L1A1 and Aussie L1A1-F1, as built for the Papua New Guinea Defence Force.  The Brit L1A1 is working well and will soon be on its way back to me (along with some refinished magazines).  The Aussie F1 still needs some tweaking to assure complete reliability.  Both rifles were built on Entreprise L1A1 receivers.  Here's the first photo of them.  The angle of the photo and aluminum butt plate that tends to blend with the background makes the F1 look shorter than it actually is.  The F1 uses a short butt stock and special flash eliminator for a total of 2-3/4 inch reduction in length from the standard L1A1 SLR.
 
  


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From: MSN NicknameNZL1A1Collector1Sent: 8/9/2006 11:46 AM
Well done they look great, the L1A1-F1 is a stunner

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From: MasterGunnerSent: 8/13/2006 3:18 AM
The furniture is a unique mix: U.S. Ironwood Designs butt, a new Aussie pistol grip, and a GPG remanufactured Aussie handguard (with cherrywood veneer).  The butt plate was glass blasted, and the overall finish is paint over phosphate.  A new Aussie L1A1 carrying handle and the rest recycled Aussie parts -- and a new F1 flash eliminator.  I wonder what the PNG Defence Forces did with their F1's?  There's not a lot of information on the 'net about them, but from what I've been able to tell they are using Canadian C7/C8 rifles in 5.56mm (these are M16A2 and M4-series copies).

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From: MSN Nickname2feral2Sent: 8/16/2006 9:32 AM
What beauties!!!!!!
 
Now for sure, I really do miss the happy gun owning days in pre 1995 Canada!
 
More pics of the F1 please!
 
Regards,
 
Wes

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From: MSN Nickname2feral2Sent: 8/16/2006 9:38 AM
MG, a lot of their F1s were dumped in deep water at sea. Currently th PNGDF uses off the shelf Colt M16A2's with no removable Carrying Handles. Also the 7.62mm FNH MAG 58, and the 5.56mm Singapore manufactured LMG. Pistols are Browning HPs, mainly the L9A1 models.
 
Cheers,
 
Wes

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From: MasterGunnerSent: 8/17/2006 8:25 PM
Wes,
 
I will be posting photos of the F1 and L1A1 as soon as I can.  I have some Brit plastic furniture out for refinishing to replace the CIA-manufacture now installed. 
 
I think I will use the Royal Marines butt stock with both side and bottom mounted rear sling swivels. 
 
[I was surprised that the Maranyl-plastic Royal Marines stock is shorter than the standard infantry stock.  To get the same length of pull with the RM stock, you have to install an Extra Long (XL) butt plate while the standard stock uses a Normal (N) butt plate.]
 
It is a bloody crime that the PNG forces disposed of these unique rifles by dropping them into deep water.  Of course, our Canadian brothers were equally stupid in destroying their C1/C1A1/C2/C2A1 rifles along with the spare parts.  What idiots!
 
Not to be out done, we Americans have our own verison of this institutional insanity called the "demilitarization" program.  This was the brainchild of Robert Strange McNamara, or Secretary of Defense from 1961 through 1968.  McNamara's program has probably wasted enough taxpayer money over the years to outfit 10 Army divisions, several Air Force squadrons, and numerous Navy ships.  Example: under the Clinton administration, the DoD demilled about 500,000 M14 rifles being held in war reserve.  This was stopped and we are now issuing those same rifles for use in Afghanistan and Iraq.
 
The reason I asked about the C7/C8 versions of M16A2 was I saw a write-up on how the PNGDF was to be using surplus Canadian 5.56mm rifles.  The Canadian product looks exactly like the standard M16A2 except for the use of plastic magazines and the Canadians don't use the 3-round burst.  That is, their selectors go: SEMI-SAFE-AUTO not SEMI-SAFE-BURST.  PNGDF forces may have decided to use the steel M16 magazines made in Singapore rather than the plastic Canadian ones.  The Singapore magazines are very reliable and robust.
 
A wise man once said: "Those that turn their swords into plow shares will plow for those that do not."
 
MG
 

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From: MSN NicknameNZL1A1Collector1Sent: 8/18/2006 12:43 PM
The 'Royal Marines' butt stock is in fact known as the 'Arctic Butt' or 'Internal Security' Butt. The sole purpose of this butt was to allow the rifle to be fitted with the arctic slings.  The Butt also allowed for a shorter butt option for when troops were wearing their body armour (IS) or heavy winter clothing.

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From: MasterGunnerSent: 8/19/2006 12:42 PM
 
Thank you for the nomenclature update.  It's quite understandable that troops wearing flak vests and heavy winter clothing would want a shorter stock to offset the additional bulk of these items.  It's not as obvious as to why the Royal Marines and Army would come up with two different sling arrangements for the same stock with user specific acccessories, unless the changes were driven by the differences in types of clothing and other kit worn..  I would have thought that they'd have standardized on one kind or the other.
 
Do you have any idea how common this type of butt stock was in the forces?  Given the specialized nature of the stock and [I assume] the later development (relative to the rest of the plastic furniture), limited usage would be suspect.

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From: walSent: 8/28/2006 4:09 AM
Guys,
Thought you would be interested with the article below, Report from Military.com
Wal
Court Expands Coverage for Vietnam Vets
Military.com  |  By Terry Howell  |  August 22, 2006


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