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Politics & BS : Buyback Guns in Hands of Outlaws
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From: MasterGunner  (Original Message)Sent: 2/10/2007 7:33 PM
MG Note:  This just in from the Sydney Morning Herald (Australia).  They have discovered when guns are outlawed, outlaws will have guns.  Well, duh-h-h-h-h-h. 
 
Buyback guns in hands of outlaws
Sydney Morning Herald, 10 February 2007
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A NETWORK of firearms dealers has rorted the $600 million national guns buyback scheme, and weapons supposedly destroyed years ago have resurfaced in criminal hands in NSW.

The Herald can reveal that at least two of the so-called "phantom guns" - both pistols written off by the Queensland Firearms Registry - have been fired at the scene of separate unsolved robberies in Sydney in the past six months. Police believe there are hundreds more like them.

The buyback scheme has been credited with removing about 650,000 firearms from the streets in the past 10 years. A newly elected John Howard staked his political future on forcing it through after the 1996 Port Arthur massacre. He still regards it as one his finest achievements.

But thousands of the guns were never destroyed. The man largely responsible for the rort is Frank Curr, a licensed firearms dealer and pawn shop owner from Wacol in Queensland.

Curr paraded as a civic-minded dealer concerned about drugs and violence in his neighbourhood while secretly arming criminals across the border with an estimated 2000 guns he had been paid to destroy or render inoperable. Only 50 of the weapons have been recovered.

Curr, who was convicted last year and will be sentenced next week, was brought down by a four-year covert operation by the NSW Firearms Squad, which describes him as Australia's largest dealer in illegal firearms.

Police say Curr used a network of 20 other illegal arms dealers in NSW and Queensland, with links to Victoria and South Australia, to flood Sydney with 1600 to 2000 guns between 1998 and 2002. At the same time, Curr was being reimbursed by the Government for supposedly destroying or rendering harmless firearms he had received from gun owners who surrendered their weapons.

Detective Inspector Albert Joseph, of the Firearms Squad, and other undercover officers infiltrated the heart of the illegal gun trade operating from Queensland. He says only a few of Curr's guns were recovered because of steps the dealer took to obliterate their serial numbers. Those that have been found had remnants of their serial numbers that were traceable by ballistic experts.

Police alleged that Curr made between $1.6 million and $2 million before he and his network of illegal gun dealers - which included a cartel on the NSW mid North Coast and Blue Mountains - was finally shut down.

Inspector Joseph said Curr corrupted a licensed armourer into providing certificates that weapons had been rendered harmless, so the dealer could then sell them as replica pistols in Queensland, thereby exploiting a loophole in the buyback scheme.

In evidence presented to the trial, police said official statistics showed handgun violence had increased more than fourfold since 1996.

"The possession and sale of illicit firearms is the subject of intense media, political and community interest and the recent release of statistics by the Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research clearly indicate the significant rise of handgun-related crimes resulting in violence," Inspector Joseph told the court.

Both the pistols recovered in NSW were used in robberies in which only the empty cartridge cases of bullets fired were found at the scenes of the crimes.

* A man faced court yesterday after police uncovered a cache of weapons, including a rocket launcher and a hand grenade, in his Melbourne home and ute.

Timothy Robert Vivoda, 36, of Monbulk, faced eight firearms-related charges in Ringwood Magistrates Court. Army experts told the court the rocket launcher and the grenade were inoperable. Vivoda's lawyer said the weapons were in the ute because they were to be taken to the tip.

Vivoda was remanded to reappear in the same court on Monday.

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From: MasterGunnerSent: 2/10/2007 7:36 PM
MG Note:  In the article "rort" is Australian-speak for fraud.

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From: MSN NicknameAndytheAussieSent: 2/10/2007 9:34 PM
The main error in this story is it linking Curr to the buy-back scheme.  The firearm involved had nothing to do with the buy backs.  A number of less than honest dealers saw a loophole in the system whereby they could certify as inoperable firearms, remove them from registration and sell as many as they careed to organised crime.  Gave the antis out here lots of ammunition.
 
Andy

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From: MasterGunnerSent: 2/11/2007 5:00 PM
Andy,
 
You make a good point.  This is more gun-grabber rationalization and propaganda.
 
We've had "buyback" campaigns here.  Cook County has done some to get the "crime guns" off the streets of Chicago.  They did pull in a lot of junk but got some good catches including a select fire piece.  However, the authorities did not check to see whether any of the turn-ins were linked to crimes.  Later, some of the very same guns that were turned in, were captured in later crimes.  How did that happen?  I thought these guns were to be destroyed and not recycled back to the streets.  I'm not going to indulge in finger pointing, but something's certainly rotten in the Kingdom of Chicago.
 
This is just more fuel to the anti-gunner's fire.  They really don't care about gun crime.  All they care about is disarming the innocent and the potential victims so they can "feel good" about themselves.  The character flaws that the gun-grabbers assigned to everyone else are the very same difficiencies they themselves have.  They project them onto others because your typical gun-grabber is in denial.  Denial isn't a river in Egypt; it's disordered thinking.
 
MG

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From: MSN Nicknamesnoz1222Sent: 2/11/2007 11:12 PM
Hi .We lost our pistols in 1997, I have been and still am an armourer in the british army.Joined at 14 in 1962 I still use military pistols in international competitions.In another few months i leave the army and then I won't (legaly) be able to use a centre fire pistol again.Where is the justice? Ron.

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From: MasterGunnerSent: 2/12/2007 6:16 PM
Well said, friend.
 
The gun-grabbers will tell you that they only believe law enforcement and the military should have those "icky" guns.  They conveniently leave out that the bad guys don't obey laws.  [Hint to gun-grabbers: we call the bad people who prey on others "outlaws."]
 
The problem with the gun-grabber mentality is it's irrational.  The gun-grabbers project their fears, insecurities, cowardice, denial onto those who are not and would never be the problem.  There is also a herd mentality at work within the gun-grabber psyche.  Gun-grabbers are sheep.  They fear the wolf who will eat them.  The sheepdogs exist to protect the sheep from the wolves.  But, sheep being sheep, don't understand the distinction and are fearful of the sheepdogs that protect their existence.  They would rather live in a make-believe world where everyone is like -- sheep.  Sheep are soft, cuddly, inoffensive, non-aggressive, wouldn't harm a fly, munch grass, and go ba-ba-ba.  Wolves eat sheep (because that's their nature) and while sheepdogs could also eat sheep they are programmed to defend the sheep from the wolves.
 
Like you, I was trained in the use of weapons in the military and that means I'm a sheepdog.  I defended the sheep, my fellow countrymen from the wolves -- foreign and domestic.  I would have laid down my life to defend the sheep.  Now, some of the sheep leaders who are fearful of me, now want to strip me of the ability to continue to defend them.  The wolves who would eat them have not gone away, so why are the sheep so afraid of the ones that can protect them from the tender mercies of the wolves?  They don't seem to understand that by eliminating the sheepdogs, when the sheep and wolves sit down together, the main issue on the table is: how many of the sheep are going to wind-up as dinner?
 
MG

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