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The Swap Shoppe : WTB:T48 bayonet
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From: MSN Nicknameruudje-c  (Original Message)Sent: 10/23/2004 1:02 AM
Hi guys,I'm looking for the T48 bayonet as used on the Cuban and the T48 rifle.Can't even find a picture of this one on the net.Maybe someone of you folks,a picture/for sale?


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From: MSN NicknameNZL1A1Collector1Sent: 10/23/2004 2:15 AM
The bayonets are rare and hard to find, the last ones I have seen have sold in the US for around US$500 - $600 especially if it has the correct scabbard.  This type of bayonet is called the TYPE B
 
These are a highly sort after item
 

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From: MasterGunnerSent: 10/23/2004 5:43 PM
I'm in the process of building a T48E3 rifle and I ran into the problem of the bayonet.  The wooden or plastic grip Model 1953 (Type A) bayonets are designed for use with the plain muzzle FAL barrels.  The "prongs" located on the muzzle ring above the blade actually forms a flash suppressor when attached to the rifle.  When the rifle is fired, the bayonet has a built-in shock aborber that keeps the bullet's mean point of impact from shifting.
 
The Type B bayonet is designed for the Belgian "long" flash suppressor, sometimes called the "G" series FALs because some in semi-auto only were imported to the USA by Browning early in the 1960's.  The bayonet retains the design features of the Type A except that the blade is slightly shorter for the M8 or M8A1 bayonet scabbard, the "prongs" are removed, and the muzzle ring is higher.  This higher muzzle ring is necessary because of the way the bayonet mounts on the flash suppressor and to accomodate the larger diameter of the flash suppressor itself.  When mounted on the rifle, there is about 1-1/2 to 2 inches of the flash suppressor that extends past the muzzle ring. 
 
I have a Type A bayonet and spare Belgian "long" flash suppressor.  The prongs have been ground off the muzzle ring.  I have been experimenting on fitting this bayonet to the flash suppressor and I've found that: (1) the guides for the bayonet stud in the handle need to be relieved to fit better, and (2) that a higher muzzle ring with a larger hole for the suppressor needs to be fitted.  The plastic grips need to be replaced by metal ones and the blade needs shortening if it is to fit in the American M8, M8A1 scabbard.  So-o-o, the choice is a hunt on eBay for the real T48 bayonet (good luck!), or modify a Type A to a Type B and create a reasonable replica of the original.  I'm going to do the latter.
 
The other type of FAL bayonet is the Model 1965 tubular version that slips over the "short" flash suppressor.  This is the finalized Belgian design that combined a flash suppressor, 22mm diameter rifle grenade launcher, and was threaded internally for a screw-in blank firing adapter (BFA).  For some strange reason, the Belgians changed the direction of the barrel threads for the suppressor from 9/16-24 RIGHT HAND on the "long" suppressor barrels to 9/16-24 LEFT HAND on the "short" suppressor barrels.  I have always wondered why they would got to this extra expense that resulted in incompatible parts.  I have never found anyone who could explain it. 

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From: MSN NicknameG_FALSent: 10/24/2004 3:25 PM
In recent history there have been a number of "T48 Bayonets"? on ebay.
Judging by the quantity of them and the type of scabbard they have come with , I believe that these may be converted Israeli bayonets , as they have a different scabbard than the originals. There was also someone on the falfiles a couple of years ago that was converting type A bayonets by machining a new piece for the muzzle ring and re-machining the pommel to fit the Browning design flashhider.

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From: MSN NicknameG_FALSent: 10/24/2004 3:33 PM
I also have some photos of a converted Type A bayonet.
 T48_bayonet.jpg  

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From: MasterGunnerSent: 10/25/2004 8:28 PM
Do you know who was doing the conversion work on the Type A to T48 type bayonet for the Belgian "long" flash suppressor? 
 
Since someone has already done the necessary engineering for the modification of the pommel and muzzle ring, it would be more cost effective to have them do the modification other than for me to do it myself. 

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From: MSN NicknameG_FALSent: 10/27/2004 3:58 AM
Mastergunner , photos sent of the converted Type-A , and a G-series bayonet.
IIRC , the ones that were done on the falfiles had a new muzzle ring made instead of the chopped up ring of the Type-A.
 
The ones on ebay also had a proper looking muzzle ring.
If you do a search on ebay for completed listings , you should be able to find the seller there.
Hmmm, looks like the listings may be over 90 days.
Might try posting a WTB at the files.
 

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From: MSN NicknameG_FALSent: 1/14/2005 4:43 AM
If you really have to have one , try this one.
GunBroker.com Item 27716572 [Ends Jan-15-05 10:05:51 AM] FN FAL T-48 Type II B

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From: MasterGunnerSent: 1/15/2006 3:32 AM
Issue T48 bayonets proved to be either (1) elusive and (2) hideously expensive.  Solution: convert a plastic grip Type A that has been partially "neutered" by the removal of the two prongs welded to the top of the muzzle ring.  This modification had pretty well destroyed whatever collector value the bayonet may have had and so it became a candidate for conversion to a "T48"-style bayonet.
 
T. Mark Graham of Arizona Response Systems took on the task.  I sent him the bayonet and a long, 5-slot T48/G-series FAL flash suppressor for fitting purposes.  Mark (aka "gun plumber") disassembled the bayonet for refinishing, ground off the remainder of the flash suppressor prongs, opened up the muzzle ring to permit it to slide over the flash suppressor, and did some file work on the bayonet lug slot.  He then phosphated (Parkerized) the bayonet parts and the flash suppressor I'd sent.
 
The finished bayonet fits the flash suppressor like a glove and the compensating mechanism (called "elastique" principle by FN) was fixed during the disassembly and clean-up process prior to refinishing.  [The "elastique" principle allows the bayonet to move forward about 3/8-inch forward as the rifle moves back in recoil.  This is to prevent point-of-impact shifts by the bullet when the rifle is fired without or with the bayonet attached.]
 
Here are some photos of the completed replica "T48" FAL bayonet project.
 
 
 
 
Above: The bayonet scabbard with a South African "Universal" web frog, the T48/G-series FAL flash suppressor, and the modified bayonet.
 
 
 
Above:  Close-up of the flash suppressor and modified bayonet.  Note the enlarged hole in the muzzle ring to fit the suppressor.  The extension used to (1) support the two suppressor prongs welded to the top of the muzzle ring and (2) as a guide as the bayonet moves forward on the barrel upon firing.  Now the extension acts as a guide when the bayonet is attached to the suppressor.
 
Below:  Close-up of the bayonet mounted on the flash suppressor.  Note that the end of the suppressor projects considerably past the muzzle ring.  The "hump" on top of the suppressor is for the indexing washer that locates the suppressor at the 12 o'clock position on the rifle barrel.  The bayonet latch moves down to unlock and up to lock.  When the rifle moves back in recoil, the bayonet moves forward about 3/8-inch on the suppressor to compensate for any point-of-impact shift by the bullet.  The blade of the replica T48 bayonet is longer than the actual T48 bayonet and the grips are plastic and not metal as in the original.
 
  
 
 
 

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