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Hi all
I am searching for an L1A1 SLR, no longer operable, for display to hang with my Lee Enfield Mk1 3*. I was searching the net and came across your site.
Hopefully someone might be able to point me in the right direction...
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To answer your question will take a couple of parts. Yes, deactivated L1A1's are available for use as displays only. Now for the hard part: where do you live? That will be the kicker whether you might be allowed to buy one to display with your Enfield. There are a couple of shops in the UK that have deactivated L1A1's for sale and they do ship internationally. However, whether you could import even a deactivated L1A1 from the UK might be the real problem according to local laws. Another solution would be to buy the painted resin L1A1 that I've seen offered by a fellow in Australia. He's made a casting of a real L1A1 and then paints the replica to simulate the real L1A1. The replica is solid, not a firearm, but looks very nice when it is displayed. (I recall it came in a cloth-lined shadow box.) |
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Thanks for the quick reply MasterGunner01. My apologies for the lack of details too - very remiss of me.
I am in Australia, in particular West Oz. And yes - Customs are likely to have a real issue with a firearm, deactivated or otherwise!
I came across the resin version site, but as I am allowed to display deactivated firearms (different rules across the states of Oz) it would be a shame to put up with a copy when I could legally have the real thing, despite it being neutered! |
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What is your territory and do you have an international port in it? I guess that the first thing to do is to see what your laws are relative to deactivated arms and EXACTLY what is considered "deactivated." This differs all over the map. If I remember correctly, Oz has copied the British model of firearm certificates, but since this is a deactivated SLR there may be an exception for you. The poor sods in Canada are forbidden the FN FAL (metric or inch) unless they were grandfathered and have the documentation. I believe the UK still allows deactivated SLR's (hence, they sell them), but the deactivation is done per British specification. As to whether there definitiion of "deactivated" would satisfy your paperpushers, is the question. I have various sources of deactivated SLR's I could give you, but if you cannot import it, then everything's pretty much academic. You may, repeat may, have to settle for the resin replica if everything comes to naught. You might want to run you question past these chaps: http://www.ssaa.org.au/australianshooter.htm. They seem to understand the ins and outs of the current situation in Oz pretty well. As you inidcated, if your laws are not uniform, then they may just be able to point you in the correct direction to get the facts. I do wish you the best of luck. Check back in with whatever you find out. I am certain that there are others who could benefit from your experiences who read our site. MG |
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im in arkansas , united states i can put a deactivated weapon together as long as i use 7 U.S.A made parts and follow all the B.A.T.F specs and rules, i wish your situation was better there , i fell apart when i saw the news footage of them destroying all those beautifull old weapons when they changed your gun laws down there , hope you guys can get your laws turned around someday , i have read ther has been quite the crime increase since the change 400% i guess , well hope to hear from you soon , Moose
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What is your territory and do you have an international port in it?
I guess that the first thing to do is to see what your laws are relative to deactivated arms and EXACTLY what is considered "deactivated." This differs all over the map. If I remember correctly, Oz has copied the British model of firearm certificates, but since this is a deactivated SLR there may be an exception for you.
The poor sods in Canada are forbidden the FN FAL (metric or inch) unless they were grandfathered and have the documentation. I believe the UK still allows deactivated SLR's (hence, they sell them), but the deactivation is done per British specification. As to whether there definitiion of "deactivated" would satisfy your paperpushers, is the question.
I have various sources of deactivated SLR's I could give you, but if you cannot import it, then everything's pretty much academic. You may, repeat may, have to settle for the resin replica if everything comes to naught.
You might want to run you question past these chaps: http://www.ssaa.orgau/australianshooter.htm. They seem to understand the ins and outs of the current situation in Oz pretty well. As you inidcated, if your laws are not uniform, then they may just be able to point you in the correct direction to get the facts.
I do wish you the best of luck. Check back in with whatever you find out. I am certain that there are others who could benefit from your experiences who read our site.
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One of the things that I discovered when I was piecing together my Canadian C1A1 replica was how draconian the Canadians have been in the treatment of their locally-produced version of the FAL. Here is truly a story that makes you weep from the scope and the stupidity of the Canadian government policy under the Liberal Party (primarily those from Ontario and Quebec provinces). Canadian Arsenals Limited produced the C1 and C2 series of Commonwealth FAL rifles in Canada on the site of the World War 2 Long Branch Arsenal near Toronto, Ontario. Of all the Commonwealth FAL rifles, the Canadian models differed the most between their Australian and British cousins, while maintaining interoperability of spare parts (if required) as a result of the Rifle Steering Committee that was set up when the ABC countries of the Commonwealth adopted the FAL in the early 1950's. By the 1980's the long-serving C1 and C2 rifles were slated for replacement by the government in Ottawa. The rifle selected was a licensed Canadian version of the American-designed M16 series called the C7 and C8 by the Canadians. The new rifles were to be built by Diemaco Co. located in Kitchener, Ontario, with first deliveries begun in 1976. With delivery of the new rifles to the Canadian Forces, the C1 and C2 rifles were put in war reserve and phased-out. Spare parts, except for serial numbered receivers and barrels that were destroyed, were sold off or destroyed. C.A.L. was sold to the private sector in 1986 and the production facilities dismantled. (Strike One.) Meanwhile, the Liberal Party was able to ram through some very draconian gun control measures through parliament. Under current law, Canadians are forbidden to own an version of FAL (metric or inch pattern), except for some select souls who were grandfathered with special licenses. At the same time, Canadians can own semi-auto copies of the U.S. M14 rifle made by Norinco (China) called the M305 or the Colt AR-15 rifle -- rather incomprehensible to me. The denial of FAL ownership to Canadian citizens by their own government is Strike Two. The end game for the C1 and C2 rifles came about 2003 or 2004. That's when the last war reserve stocks of rifles were destroyed by the Canadian government. All the rifles were cut up and melted down with no thought given to historical preservation. (Strike Three). Now, why there is a concerted effort on the part of the Canadian government to erase the proud history of the FAL rifle in Canada and its use by the Canadian Forces, I cannot begin to fathom. I do know that the scrapper's shears and torches did not get all the spare parts. What you do is look for various folks who were in the Canadian Forces and squirreled away spare parts when the guns were turned in to go into war reserve or for scrapping. The only other supplier of C1 and C2 parts is Marstar Canada. Marstar is the Canadian equivalent to Numrich Gun Parts in the U.S. and they are beginning to be tapped-out for certain spares. Piece-by-piece approach is about the only way you can build a repica of a C1 rifle today. Building a replica of the C2 automatic rifle is just about impossible because: (1) there were not a lot of them produced relative to the C1 rifle and (2) most were destroyed in toto and not taken apart for spares. If you want to build a C2 replica, good luck in finding parts. |
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