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BonaFidePolitics : Perhaps we are more "united" then we think?
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From: Noserose  (Original Message)Sent: 4/4/2008 1:49 PM

NYT poll: Weak economy sours public on future

Risks for both parties as 81 percent agree nation is on wrong track

Americans are more dissatisfied with the country’s direction than at any time since the New York Times/CBS News poll began asking about the subject in the early 1990s, according to the latest poll.

In the poll, 81 percent of respondents said they believed that “things have pretty seriously gotten off on the wrong track,�?up from 69 percent a year ago and 35 percent in early 2003.

Although the public mood has been darkening since the early days of the war in Iraq, it has taken a new turn for the worse in the last few months, as the economy has seemed to slip into recession. There is now nearly a national consensus that the country faces significant problems.

A majority of nearly every demographic and political group �?Democrats and Republicans, men and women, residents of cities and rural areas, college graduates and those who finished only high school �?say that the United States is headed in the wrong direction. Seventy-eight percent of respondents said the country was worse off than five years ago; just 4 percent said it was better off.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23945126/

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{ This would seem to be good news for the Obama team as he owns "change" as an election strategy. I for one think he is sincere about it but whether he can really deliver is anyone's guess. The establishment and the bureaucracies they create are very slow to accept change and are usually downright hostile to it. I really think it would take two terms and a democratic congress for Obama to bring about the changes he promises.

None the less it is obvious that Americans want change and Obama is likely to be the beneficiary of it. I also think he can make great strides toward bringing us together and in the process the political extremes from the right and the left may well be marginalized. This may be a good thing as it's time those around the center had their say. The extreme right claims Obama is on the extreme left but that's nonsense. He is to the left of Clinton but his appeal overshadows most political concerns about him. It is what he can do in the future that attracts so many. People believe him in spite of what the "swiftboaters" have to say about him. He may well be the right man at the right time in the right country.

The one thing that is crystal clear is the determination to put the Bush/Cheney/Neocon years behind us. It seems to be driving most of us forward to the general election no matter who or what we are. That alone is a first step in uniting us all.

Don't you think?}

Rose



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From: MSN NicknameWomyn of_3©Sent: 4/5/2008 4:36 AM
That 4% that said it was better have been smoking the local shrubbery. Or they are the CEOs getting millions in options and salaries.
 
The way Obama comes across reminds me of Bush when he was a candidate. The  same "it's time for a change", and 'I'm not going to tell you things that you will always want to hear" sound bites remind me of 8 years ago.
He communicates well but I still haven't heard anything of substance in his goals. What people need to stop the chanting and the singing, stop the "I'm so PC because I support a womyn or a black candidate" mentality and really look at what they are going to have to do for the next 8 to 12 years to get this country back to manufacturing based instead of a service based society.
It's going to cost us - We, the people; not the future president. And, unfortunately, most of the ones who stand up and say 'Change we can believe in" will have to be dragged kicking and screaming to make those changes.
 
This is his plan to Provide Middle Class Americans Tax Relief: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/
  • Provide a Tax Cut for Working Families: Obama will restore fairness to the tax code and provide 150 million workers the tax relief they need. Obama will create a new "Making Work Pay" tax credit of up to $500 per person, or $1,000 per working family. The "Making Work Pay" tax credit will completely eliminate income taxes for 10 million Americans
  • Simplify Tax Filings for Middle Class Americans: Obama will dramatically simplify tax filings so that millions of Americans will be able to do their taxes in less than five minutes. Obama will ensure that the IRS uses the information it already gets from banks and employers to give taxpayers the option of pre-filled tax forms to verify, sign and return. Experts estimate that the Obama proposal will save Americans up to 200 million total hours of work and aggravation and up to $2 billion in tax preparer fees.
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    "..completely eliminate income taxes for 10 million Americans" : where is the money to replace this going to come from?
    How are we going to pay for the expanded funding to certain interests that he has said we will give to them? If he is giving tax breaks to only the low income groups, then what is the impetus to want to raise one's standard of living? And with all the tax breaks and no taxes that he is proposing, how are we going to pay back to China all the money we owe them?
     
    Blessed be

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    From: MSN NicknameEasTex4Sent: 4/13/2008 4:36 PM
    My my Womyn of 30 you seem to be very insightful! Are you really 30? Nevermind, none of my biz..
     
    But....your points are so very well taken and they are similar to my own. Obama keeps talking about change and everyone keeps drinking his Kool-Aid because it sounds so good, yet he has done little to describe what those changes would be. It's kinda like saying, "You don't need to know; trust me." Yeah right.
     
    Frankly though, I'm a conspiracy theorist to some extent to begin with. I believe there is a panel of big business elites who control the presidency anyway.....and that's not toally bad....but it's not good either.
     
    Nose....your statement that, "perhaps we are more united than we think" is something I believe in. I changed jobs a few years back, and my current job is part of a workplace that is as ethincally diverse as I've ever seen. And I have found that in most things, we all want the same. We may disagree on how to get there, but when people sit down and talk candidly about their most sincere desires for their lives and for the country, there is not that much difference. If we as a nation of voters could ever discover that, and act on what we have in common, Washington would most certainly change for the better.
     
    You see, I believe that Washington seeks to divide us as a means to stay in power. If we can't agree amonst ourselves, it's difficult at best to vote out those we deem are undesirable to hold office.