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BonaFidePolitics : Can we win the war on terrorism?
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From: Noserose  (Original Message)Sent: 4/18/2008 1:51 PM

Out of 658 attacks worldwide last year, 542 were in U.S.-occupied countries

Suicide bombers conducted 658 attacks around the world last year, including 542 in U.S.-occupied Afghanistan and Iraq, according to data compiled by U.S. government experts. The large number of attacks -- more than double the number in any of the past 25 years -- reflects a trend that has surprised and worried U.S. intelligence and military analysts.

More than four-fifths of the suicide bombings over that period have occurred in the past seven years, the data show. The bombings have spread to dozens of countries on five continents, killed more than 21,350 people and injured about 50,000 since 1983, when a landmark attack blew up the U.S. Embassy in Beirut.

Today is the 25-year anniversary of that attack, the first of a series of large suicide bombings targeting Americans overseas.

"Increasingly, we are seeing the globalization of suicide bombs, no longer confined to conflict zones but happening anywhere," said Mohammed Hafez of the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, Calif., and author of the book "Suicide Bombers in Iraq." He calls the contemporary perpetrators "martyrs without borders."

The unpublished data show that since 1983, bombers in more than 50 groups from Argentina to Algeria, Croatia to China, and India to Indonesia have adapted car bombs to make explosive belts, vests, toys, motorcycles, bikes, boats, backpacks and false-pregnancy stomachs.

Of 1,840 incidents in the past 25 years, more than 86 percent have occurred since 2001, and the highest annual numbers have occurred in the past four years. The sources who provided the data to The Washington Post asked that they not be identified because of the sensitivity of the tallies.

The data show more than 920 suicide bombings in Iraq and more than 260 in Afghanistan, including some that killed scores of U.S. troops. All occurred after the U.S. invasions of Afghanistan in 2001 and Iraq in 2003.

The exact number of U.S. casualties from the bombs in Iraq is classified "because it might show the effectiveness of the enemy's weapon," said Maj. Brad Leighton, a U.S. spokesman in Iraq. "They won't even give the number to me."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24194773/
 
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{ The whole article makes for some interesting reading. I have been saying for years that Bush has made Iraq "safe" for terrorism. It has become the major training area where Islamic Jihadists can train and practice their ugly profession. Bin Laden and al-Qaeda have no need to set up new terrorist camps in Africa or anywhere else as they now have most of Iraq as their playground.
 
When Bush started his "war on terrorism" after 9/11 and then deserted it........in the field and went after Iraq he opened Pandora's box and the flood of international terrorism spilled out. We will be paying for this stupidity for generations.
 
It is my opinion that the ultimate goal of Islamic terrorism is simple. They want us out of their countries and want us to stop supporting Israel. The rest is secondary. The USA is between a rock and a hard place when it comes to fighting terrorism because every time we lop off a head another pops up hydra-like to take it's place. We can fight them forever but the outcome is uncertain.

My question is this: Will we eventually have to give them what they want? If we did.....what would be the consequences? For us and the world? Would withdrawing from these countries be considered a wise political decision or an act of cowardice?

Want to talk about it?}

Rose



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From: MSN Nickname_Beth©Sent: 4/18/2008 5:46 PM
You cannot win what does not even exist. The "War on Terrorism" is the same  as a "War on Aerial Bombing Approaches".....
 
Terrorism is a technique of warfare.
 
Once they actually define the "enemy", you can see the root causes and either address them or go after those you have decided there is no other way to address. But declaring a war on a technique is as stupid as things get.

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From: NoseroseSent: 4/18/2008 7:27 PM
Good points Beth.
 
If the US is eventually going to lave Iraq why are we building permanent bases?
 

The supplemental funding bill for the war in Iraq signed by President Bush in early May 2005 provides money for the construction of bases for U.S. forces that are described as "in some very limited cases, permanent facilities." Several recent press reports have suggested the U.S. is planning up to 14 permanent bases in Iraq�?a country that is only twice the size of the state of Idaho. Why is the U.S. building permanent bases in Iraq?

In May 2005, United States military forces in Iraq occupied 106 bases, according to a report in the Washington Post.1 Military commanders told that newspaper they eventually planed to consolidate these bases into four large airbases at Tallil, Al Asad, Balad and either Irbil or Qayyarah.

But other reports suggest the U.S. military has plans for even more bases: In April 2003 report in The New York Times reported that "the U.S. is planning a long-term military relationship with the emerging government of Iraq, one that would grant the Pentagon access to military bases and project American influence into the heart of the unsettled region."2 According to the Chicago Tribune, U.S. engineers are focusing on constructing 14 "enduring bases," to serve as long-term encampments for thousands of American troops.3

As of mid-2005, the U.S. military had 106 forward operating bases in Iraq, including what the Pentagon calls 14 "enduring" bases (twelve of which are located on the map) �?all of which are to be consolidated into four mega-bases.

http://www.fcnl.org/iraq/bases.htm


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From: NoseroseSent: 4/18/2008 7:34 PM
 I think we prefer to live in fear of this huge force called Islam when actually it's a small minority of the billion or so Muslims that are causing the problems.
 
We have created this huge bureaucracy called "Homeland security" to help us fight a few thousand terrorists spread over dozens of countries. This monster we have created may turn on us some day and devour us. We are like a giant with a club swing wildly and unaffectedly at a mosquito.
 
Rose

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From: MSN NicknameMars832Sent: 4/18/2008 10:47 PM
nope the weapon of ignoring al-qaeda is failing.
 
Joey

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From: MSN Nickname_Beth©Sent: 4/21/2008 9:00 PM
We have to have the big-bad-evil-doer to hate, and since the USSR bit the dust, we have been looking for our own next "great satan" - and it is an entire faith including the majority who are not violent extremists (although even that makes me cringe some because what is more violent and extreme than invading sovereign nations, killing hundreds of thousands and still claiming to be the guys in the white hats)

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