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General : Why the McCain campaign imploded?
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From: Noserose  (Original Message)Sent: 11/6/2008 12:54 PM

Internal battles divided McCain, Palin camps

Republican's running mate appeared to have been catalyst for infighting

PHOENIX - As a top adviser in Senator John McCain’s now-imploded campaign tells the story, it was bad enough that Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska unwittingly scheduled, and then took, a prank telephone call from a Canadian comedian posing as the president of France. Far worse, the adviser said, she failed to inform her ticketmate about her rogue diplomacy.

Whatever the truth, one thing is certain. Ms. Palin, who laughingly told the prankster that she could be president “maybe in eight years,�?was the catalyst for a civil war between her campaign and Mr. McCain’s that raged from mid-September up until moments before Mr. McCain’s concession speech on Tuesday night. By then, Ms. Palin was in only infrequent contact with Mr. McCain, top advisers said.

“I think it was a difficult relationship,�?said one top McCain campaign official, who, like almost all others interviewed, asked to remain anonymous. “McCain talked to her occasionally.�?/P>

The tensions and their increasingly public airing provide a revealing coda to the ill-fated McCain-Palin ticket, hinting at the mounting turmoil of a campaign that was described even by many Republicans as incoherent, negative and badly run.

For her part, Ms. Palin told reporters in Arizona on Wednesday morning that “there is absolutely no diva in me.�?/P>

The disputes between the campaigns centered in large part on the Republican National Committee’s $150,000 wardrobe for Ms. Palin and her family, but also on what McCain advisers considered Ms. Palin’s lack of preparation for her disastrous interview with Katie Couric of CBS News and her refusal to take advice from Mr. McCain’s campaign.

As late as Tuesday night, a McCain adviser said, Ms. Palin was pushing to deliver her own speech just before Mr. McCain’s concession speech, even though vice-presidential nominees do not traditionally speak on election night. But Ms. Palin met up with Mr. McCain with text in hand. She was told no by Mark Salter, one of Mr. McCain’s closest advisers, and Steve Schmidt, Mr. McCain’s top strategist.

On Wednesday, two top McCain campaign advisers said that the clothing purchases for Ms. Palin and her family were a particular source of outrage for them. As they portrayed it, Ms. Palin had been advised by Nicolle Wallace, a senior McCain aide, that she should buy three new suits for the Republican National Convention in St. Paul in September and three additional suits for the fall campaign. The budget for the clothes was anticipated to be from $20,000 to $25,000, the officials said.

Instead, in a public relations debacle undermining Ms. Palin’s image as an everywoman “hockey mom,�?bills came in to the Republican National Committee for about $150,000, including charges of $75,062 at Neiman Marcus and $49,425 at Saks Fifth Avenue. The bills included clothing for Ms. Palin’s family and purchases of shoes, luggage and jewelry, the advisers said.

The advisers described the McCain campaign as incredulous about the shopping spree and said Republican National Committee lawyers were likely to go to Alaska to conduct an inventory and try to account for all that was spent.

The McCain camp was further upset about Ms. Palin’s interview with Ms. Couric, which was broadcast at a time when Ms. Palin was meeting with foreign leaders at the United Nations and trying to establish some foreign policy credentials. Ms. Palin’s wobbly and tongue-tied performance was mocked in an iconic impersonation on “Saturday Night Live�?by Tina Fey.

One of the last straws for the McCain advisers came just days before the election when news broke that Ms. Palin had taken a call made by Marc-Antoine Audette. Mr. Audette and his fellow comedian Sebastien Trudel are notorious for prank calls to celebrities and heads of state.

Ms. Palin appeared to believe that she was talking to President Nicolas Sarkozy of France, even though the prankster had a flamboyant French accent and spoke to her in a more personal way than would be protocol in such a call. At one point, he told Ms. Palin that she would make a good president some day. “Maybe in eight years,�?she replied.

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{ In my opinion John McCain's campaign was doomed from the start. First he was the wrong man at the wrong time. He was far too strongly associated with George W Bush in the publics mind and the voters had had enough of that. He was too old and none to well and up against a vibrant candidate who radiated health and youth everytime he walked on stage. The GOP itself and most conservatives had little use for McCain as they considered him a loose cannon and far too liberal and his "Maverick" reputation had came about at their expense. Then there was.....

Sarah Palin.

The extreme conservative base went nuts when McCain picked her as they saw in her the embodiment of everything McCain wasn't. The radical arm of the GOP wanted somebody who thought as they did and Palin produced the goods......and then some! Unfortunately for them the qualities they so admired in Palin were exactly the things most Americas were sick to death of. Palin was the "kiss of death" for the hopes and dreams of McCain and his campaign. I think they realized pretty quick that they had unleashed a moose in a china shop but by then it was too late.

The McCain campaign never had a strong focus on any particular issue that would have been beneficial to them. They kept swinging wildly looking for the knockout punch while Obama was dancing around like a young Mohammad Ali delivering sharp jabs to McCain's already swollen face. At times it was painful to watch. Finally with no energy left McCain turned to attempting to kick Obama in the balls in spite of the rules. Not a pretty sight.

John McCain lost both his campaigns to become President of the United States because he could not remain true to himself and his ideals. When push came to shove he turned out to be just another politician instead of the "maverick" he liked to brag about. Like him or not Obama kept a laser like beam on who and what he was during the campaign. He never changed who he was and is the same man now as he was at the beginning of his campaign. Like it or not with Obama.....what you see is what you get.

I think history will show that this campaign will be one of the most studied by students of politics for generations to come. A "how to" book on how to win and lose an election. Perhaps for the GOP it could be called  "Political campaigning for dummies"?}



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From: MSN NicknamernrbillSent: 11/7/2008 7:42 PM
Not that anyone cares of even believes,  Palin is the reason I actually voted.  I gave considerable thought to not voting for the first time since I was eligible but Palin possibly being In Charge drove me to the polls and left me no choice but to vote for Obama.

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From: NoseroseSent: 11/7/2008 7:43 PM
Picking Palin will go down in history as one of the biggest political mistakes ever. It will be known as "Pulling a Palin".

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From: MSN NicknamePikesPeak14110Sent: 11/8/2008 3:47 AM
Palin will try to come back. Maybe a Palin-Quayle ticket is in the works.
 
I was gonna vote for someone other than Obama and McCain, but the deluge of robocalls and ad spam, mostly from McCain, and mostly only negative and untrue shit on Obama, made me vote against McCain, by voting for Obama.

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From: MSN NicknamernrbillSent: 11/8/2008 6:16 PM
Rose:
 I know you recall my prediction that if the Repubs thought they had any chance at victory they'd have picked a high profile VP Candidate and if they believed they had no shot, they'd pick a NoBody.  Given that millions voted for Obama because of Palin, the epitomy of NoBody, it looks as if my prediction was correct.  Many pundits are saying that because of the economy and the wars, with a threat of more war and the continuing slide in the market, McTime was going to lose regardless of the VP choice.  Americans want a change and that was the catalyst.  I guess the decision for the Repubs was not to risk having a Romney, Ridge, or some other high profile Repub branded as a loser in '08 and then try to run him in '12.  Where I was wrong is in my belief that the Dems couldn't win with two candidates from East of the Big Muddy.  For as long as I can remember, at least in the not too distant past political spectrum, that was usually a losing combination.  This is a significant change in the American political landscape.

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From: MSN NicknameSummerMoondancer1Sent: 11/8/2008 9:08 PM
PikesPeak, the negative crap and rumors, innuendo, and all the nonsense is also what sent me straight into the corner of Obama..and I voted for him...the more times they tried to call him a muslim or an illegal immigrant the more I was determined to vote for him.

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From: NoseroseSent: 11/8/2008 9:35 PM
Negative advertising may work for a short period of time but people tire of it pretty quick. It lasts about as long as appreciation for Sarah Palin does.

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From: MSN NicknameSummerMoondancer1Sent: 11/9/2008 2:29 AM
yeah as well as dissing your voter pool for the color of their skin or their relatives for being immigrants...or dissing them for their religion ...those don´t make you votes for sure.

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From: MSN Nicknamenostra__Sent: 11/9/2008 2:40 AM
Here's my prediction...  "wonder boy barack" will be a 4 year prez...
 
Racisim will have NOTHING to do with it.

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From: NoseroseSent: 11/9/2008 9:06 AM
Well.......time will tell. There's are tough times ahead and difficult times can make great for Presidents. Lets hope....

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From: MSN NicknamernrbillSent: 11/9/2008 2:46 PM
Right Rose.  There is another side of that coin.  Great Times can make for a bad President.  Look at what Bush did after the Great Time left him by Billy Boy.

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From: MSN NicknameSummerMoondancer1Sent: 11/9/2008 4:45 PM
Bill, I actually believe that a president has very little to do with what happens in the economy.  That rests more with Congress and the policies that they pass...even they have little control.
 
The economy is controlled by the people.  We the people have been an irresponsible lot...we have spent and overspent on plastic...so much so that the average person has 80k in debt on credit cards alone.  I am glad that I decided to get rid of all plastic long ago or I would be in the same spot as many others...if you don´t have the money in pocket you can´t afford it.  

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From: MSN NicknameNativefloridian100Sent: 11/9/2008 9:10 PM
Obama will have quite alot to do with the economy.  In fact, his policy proposals have been shown to increase the federal deficit by 3 Trillion, 382 Billion dollars.  The economy is controlled quite alot more than just by the people.  If it weren't, why is the federal government having to bail out institutions to save the economy, which failed based upon government policies?  In fact, the government is about to get into the business of bailing out the auto industry as well....that as well as other bailouts, have put the government right in the middle of your economy.  Add the fact that Obama is about to institute higher taxes on the people who create jobs, you're going to have more government in the middle of your economy.  He's even mentioned extending unemployment benefits......well duh!  Those who become unemployed based upon his taxing of businesses are going to need that extra time.  He'd best hold off on all those campaign promises he made, or we're going to be in worse shape than we are now.  I predict he will not be able to raise taxes on those making more than 250 thou as he promised, the revenues received will be outweighed by the spending on unemployement and loss of business revenues.
 
Of course, don't take my word for it, you can do the math yourself.
 

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From: MSN NicknamePikesPeak14110Sent: 11/11/2008 2:25 AM
In reversal of Bush  policies, if Obama can initiate some measurable and positive response, he will win leadership of Congress, and can then begin to heal this national rift, opened far too long.
 
It is ironic ignorance, when convenient, when neocons quote Jefferson in the role of the invisible government, then support policies like what Bush implemented for "national security," for improvement of education in NCLB, and help drive state efforts to outlaw homosexual union or marriage. They talk, but don't walk
 
The rally of this group behind Palin in particular, and exposure of the ignorance and hypocrisy of that, assured Obama of an easy victory.
 
If the nation can move off the brink of this cliff, and regain some wind in the sails, Obama may serve more than one term. If he pulls a "Carter" and surrounds himself with incompetent boobs, the nation will be ready for another "Reagan" to steer the ship, but that Reagan won't come from the Republican Party. Bush and his neocon support killed the republican party, and it will take an Obama disaster to resurrect them.

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From: MSN NicknameWomyn of_3©Sent: 11/11/2008 4:01 AM
Did you see where Obama walked across the Reflective Pool after he had his tour of the White House?
 
 
For someone who campaigned on getting away from, or changing the old, D.C.; he has quite a few of former Pres Clinton's people in his group.
 
 
Blessed be

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From: MSN NicknamernrbillSent: 11/11/2008 7:58 PM
You mean the people who were with Clinton when he turned the econmy around, avoided wars, etc?  You maybe want more Bushies to work with Obama?

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