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Speakers Corner : The Middle East War
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 Message 1 of 61 in Discussion 
From: MSN Nicknamefrmear2ear10  (Original Message)Sent: 8/1/2006 1:06 AM
In my piece, I am not trying to take sides, only express my observations of this, what appears to be, endless present war in the Middle East.
 
I unfortunately remember wars that have been fought in a field, over a grassland, on a mountain, free of local residents.
 
I see the Hesbula, not large in numbers, wishing to protect their army members, but doing it in a very unorthodox manner, hiding them in residential areas. It is my feeling, that by shooting their rockets from these areas, they only encourage the Israelies, to fire into residential areas, therefore killing many adults and children. I has, understandably, gotten them a great deal of attention, but even more so, the attention that is being focused upon the Israelies, being backed by the USA, a country, that in the beginning, encouraged the war, to kill off the Hesbula. No way. This is a different kind of war in the Middle East. As organized as it is, it uses city populations as shields, to gain attention, when they are killed.
 
It is like two forms of war being battled all at once, and the most modern, has no idea of how to win it. All they wish to do, is get rid of terrorist. One could say, that the terrorist oganization, has become so popular, that they have won an election in Palistine. What does that say about their influence?
 
As well, as it is in so many other parts of the world, such a large and growing population, is looking to expand it's borders to house this increase, but in the Middle East, with strong religious differences, I feel, that they will be, no matter how many ceasefires are honored, at war many times in the future. They will, as well, become more and more hateful toward the USA, for it's backing of Israel, and as well, the US's desire, for the war to continue, to try to rid them of the executive of the Hesbula.
 
It will go around and around and around, until one side understands the other much more that it presently does, and I am not taking sides.
 
Just a feeling but, the more the USA focuses on ridding the world of terrorism, the more focus will be placed upon the terrorist destroying the USA. By encouraging the Israelies, it makes the USA, appear like a terrorist organization.
 
Your comments are most welcome about what I have expressed, as well as what thoughts you might have about the present situation taking place there as we speak.


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 Message 48 of 61 in Discussion 
From: MSN Nicknamefrmear2ear10Sent: 8/15/2006 7:51 PM
No offence Pieman, but yes, each and every world problem has it's complexities, and to understand them better, is it not wise, to express individually our feelings about them, no matter what part of the world we live in. Yes, each and everyday, we do hear a great deal from the media, and yes, the they, may make their own opinions, or what they wishes us to see and hear, according to their opinion. Along with that, the newspapers, magazines articles, as well as face to face smoozing, we like to express our feelings, rather than hide them. In my opinion, hiding feelings, may be one of the complexities, that may start wars. Being open minded, and communicating with your fellow man will, in my opinion, bring you, a great deal of understanding.
 
It is also my belief that, by expressing ourselves, no matter how we might feel about any topic, that we learn how to understand more each other better. Hopefully by doing so, our world can eventually, become a much better, and more peaceful place to live. I totally agree that we should express our feelings, whether or not we are educated in the many complexities, and or, whether or not we may agree or disagree on any particular portion of a subject. Do you not agree?
 
Carrot, as well as many other members of Crazy Friends, has helped me to learn a great deal more about the part of the world they may live in, and I most certainly appreciate that. They hace, as well, expressed what they feel or sense, or have personally experienced, from a subject or topic. I in turn, have expressed what I feel, or might like to know about a topic or subject they are much more educated in, or an opinion they may have. We have most definitely learned a great deal more about each other, and in my opinion, I think that is a very positive and good thing. Do you not agree Pieman?

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From: MSN Nicknamefrmear2ear10Sent: 8/15/2006 7:55 PM
As for Jibbs, I love to express myself. Sometimes I may misspell a word incorrectly, as of course, I am only human correct? I may very well, misspell words in the future, but that will not stop me from expressing myself. I hope you understand me much better now, and have a great day. Oh...
 
Keep Smil'n

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From: MSN NicknameCarrotLiberationFront�?/nobr>Sent: 8/15/2006 8:26 PM
The Bush adminstration look at things in terms of good at evil, and that is a language the media using for the sake of ratings and newspaper sales.
 
Good and evil using terms such as 'Christian morals', which is wrong for any world leader to express, which Bush did many times, on a rostrum, in the lead up to the invasion of Iraq, as well as in the aftermath of 9/11.

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From: MSN Nicknamefrmear2ear10Sent: 8/15/2006 9:27 PM
So true Carrot. Mr. Bush is expressing to the world that he "is getting rid of terrorism." It would appear, that many opinions, in different directions, for many different reasons were created by that statement.
 
What can I say. The leader of a country, is supposed to be open minded to the opinions of it's ppl. It has also been said many times, not to mix religion and politics. If we observe Mr. Bush's last election, and or those he approached for support. Upon being elected, with a war still going on in Iraq, and millions of Christians backing him, where is this man going supposedly as a Christian? Not only is he pushing Democracy, but as well, Christianity on top of it all. Does that show a loving man with an open mind, or one with possibly an alterior motive? hmmm

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From: MSN NicknameCarrotLiberationFront�?/nobr>Sent: 8/16/2006 1:12 AM
My point Smiles, was that by simply using the word 'Christian' when making address about fighting terrorism, alienates a lot of members of the US public, never mind the rest of the world. It also would have a possible effect of inciting hatred or at least mistrust of any other non christian religion. The word should not be used at all, by a politician of such a diverse country, never mind in statements which  refer to terrorism. It makes me wonder how much of Bush's speeches are ad lib and how much he reads from the card.
 
One problem with christianity is that it is not tolerant of other faiths or religions, sometimes not even of its own faith (just look at the various versions of the ten commandments as one example). Other faiths, including Islam (according to the Koran anyway) are tolerant and accepting of other faiths and religions. Unfortunately the problems always lie in the interpretations of their teachings. Which as Pieman has pointed out, is also the problem with media reporting. The BBC is not even impartial. Just look at the way it handled the WMD's enquiry.
 
Unless you can actually witness such events or circumstances, we can only accept what the media report, however it always pays to be open minded, and not to trust just one source, but rather collate information gathered from various independant (from each other) sources.

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From: MSN NicknameJìbbsSent: 8/16/2006 7:46 AM
It is also my belief that, by expressing ourselves, no matter how we might feel about any topic, that we learn how to understand more each other better. Hopefully by doing so, our world can eventually, become a much better, and more peaceful place to live
 
Nice sentiment Smiles, but judging by the history of the World so far, it ain't gonna happen.

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 Message 54 of 61 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameJìbbsSent: 8/16/2006 7:51 AM
Nothing against expressing yourself Smiles. I do it regularly . I just have a "thing" about bad spelling, when it's so easy to check.  I find it detracts from what I'm reading and trying to absorb.
 
I'm known as a picky little bugger (I expect you get the gist) and make no excuses.
 
This whole subject is making me feel  
 
I've tried to understand it, and can't. I will keep reading your replies, but I still can't find anything intelligent to say.

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 Message 55 of 61 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameJìbbsSent: 8/16/2006 7:53 AM
 
I am reading some of these replies and I can't help but think that we are too naive about the complexities of the problem to make any real comment.
 
In my opinion we are making sweeping generalizations about something that can't be fully understood by just watching the news.
 
 
Although I absolutely agree with what you say Pieman, as it is based on logic, nothing stops human nature wanting to "have their say" despite the fact we may be talking out of our bottoms. Isn't that what's called a free society?

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 Message 56 of 61 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameJìbbsSent: 8/16/2006 7:54 AM
Delighted to see how this thread has swerved around so many different subjects. Niiice!

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 Message 57 of 61 in Discussion 
From: MSN Nicknamefrmear2ear10Sent: 8/16/2006 8:59 AM
I see your point Carrot, and yes, the leader of a country, that encompasses many religions, should not pick out only and just one as a basis for his official desires. He must try to understand that there are many faiths within the country he represent. Yes, very true, it does depend on how, one decifers different documened religious statements. And as for Mr. Bush, I have wondered in past, just how much he ad libs from his speeches, to please the crowd he is focusing on.
 
I believe that, what I was mentioning about the different media outlets, that they are told how to express their opinions, according to who pays their salaries, and what that person's opinion may be. Yes, true, if we observe many outlets, as well as each other, we can make an opinion of our own, much easier.

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 Message 58 of 61 in Discussion 
From: MSN Nicknamefrmear2ear10Sent: 8/16/2006 9:05 AM
Jibbs, it is my feeling, as well as the feeling of many others, that if we as the population of our planet, try to have a positive attitude, it will definitely will change our outlook, but we have to believe it will change.
 
As for my spelling or the spelling of anyone else, I have read many statements, seeing a few spelling errors, but if the letters are close to the original spelling or it sounds, by reading it, very similar to the word, that individual is using, then I dont worry so much about the spelling, as I do about what they are trying to express.
 
As for your understanding of the present topic, just keep reading, and hopefully something within what we have or will discuss, will within, help you to express an opinion.

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 Message 59 of 61 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameCarrotLiberationFront�?/nobr>Sent: 8/16/2006 9:28 AM
Oh dear Smiles, you are for it now.........................you spelled deciphers with an 'f'
 
Run, run far away, I reckon she ll be on the next flight to Canada for this one

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 Message 60 of 61 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameJìbbsSent: 8/16/2006 9:38 AM
"She's" still here you know!
 
Nah forget it Smiley, you carry on writing just as you want to, and I'll gag my hands...er....?

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 Message 61 of 61 in Discussion 
From: MSN Nicknamefrmear2ear10Sent: 8/16/2006 9:48 AM
Oh, you mean, I dont have to pack up my gear and run like mad for the hills? lol
 
Thx Jibbsy

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