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From: Joel  (Original Message)Sent: 1/25/2006 6:05 PM
hi Joel,

I have supposedly quit smoking 8 days ago. I say "supposedly" because I have slipped three times in the last 8 days. Once I had only a drag (4th day in) but the other two times (6th and 7th day in) I had one whole cigarette. I'm hating this.

I'm having a hard time with my quit. At first I quit because everyone had been bugging me to and I promised them I would quit in January even though I didn't really want to. I have to admit that the first day of my quit I had a lot of resentment. Now I like not smoking...sort of. Ok, I like not smoking as much. I do want to remain as smoke free as possible. Doesn't make much sense I know.

I can't get over not having ONE. I've gone a couple of days without one but then will break down and have one. Always at the end of the day. I'm fine for the entire day until the evening when I break down and have that one cigarette and surprisingly enough the one cigarette for the day is totally sufficient. FOR NOW.

I'm worried that I'll relapse into smoking full time if this keeps going. But more importantly, I'm supposed to have QUIT ALTOGETHER!!! I shouldn't be having ONE at all!!!  But I can't get past it! I need some advice on how to get past that one smoke a day. Today is a new day and I'm going to try getting through the day without one and hopefully that will start me off to a new start. But do you have any advice for me? I could really use it! Thanks!
Mel



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From: JoelSent: 1/25/2006 6:11 PM
From the string NRT and Quit Meters
 
I pulled a string earlier from a person who wrote her first post at Freedom saying she had recently relapsed and now asking if she should reset her quit meter. Boy did she pick the wrong group of quitters to ask that question. I thought I better bring this one up in case anyone else ever faces a similar dilemma.
 
For the record, it is said often at most sites that whether or not you reset your quitmeter is up to you. We agree--if you relapse it is up to you whether or not you reset your quit meter. If you want to fool yourself and try to fool the rest of the world that you are successfully smoke free go right on ahead. But don't waste Freedom's time with such foolishness. Post your relapse and your message will be gone in a flash along with your membership.
 
Here are some related readings on the topic:
 
 
It is probably a pretty good idea that everyone knows our Mission Statement so that they see how we are different than most other groups.
 
 
Also, we hope everyone has read our membership application below. Post 10 in it addresses how important actually reading at our site is before applying to avoid any confusing and awkward situations such as this.
 
 
To stay a member and to have your meter really mean anything always remember to stay successful always entails knowing to never take another puff!
 
Joel

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From: JoelSent: 1/25/2006 6:11 PM

Quitting for Others



"My husband can't stand it when I smoke - that is why I quit."  "My wife is trying to quit, so I will stop just to support her."  "My kids get sick when I smoke in front of them.  They cough, sneeze, and nag me to death.  I quit for them."  "My doctor told me not to smoke as long as I am his patient, so I quit to get him off my back."  "I quit for my dog."

All these people may have given up smoking, but they have done it for the wrong reason.  While they may have gotten through the initial withdrawal process, if they don't change their primary motivation for abstaining from smoking, they will inevitably relapse.  Contrary to popular belief, the important measure of success in smoking cessation is not getting off of cigarettes, but rather the ability to stay off.

A smoker may quit temporarily for the sake of a significant other, but he will feel as if he is depriving himself of something he truly wants.  This feeling of deprivation will ultimately cause him to return to smoking.  All that has to happen is for the person who he quit for to do something wrong, or just disappoint him.  His response will be, "I deprived myself of my cigarettes for you and look how you pay me back!  I'll show you, I will take a cigarette!"  He will show them nothing.  He is the one who will return to smoking and suffer the consequences. He will either smoke until it kills him or have to quit again.  Neither alternative will be pleasant.

It is imperative for him to come to the realization that the primary benefactor in his giving up smoking is himself.  True, his family and friends will benefit, but he will feel happier, healthier, calmer and in control of his life.  This results in pride and a greatly improved self-esteem.  Instead of feeling deprived of cigarettes, he will feel good about himself and appreciative to have been able to break free from such a dirty, deadly, powerful addiction.

So, always keep in mind that you quit smoking for you.  Even if no one else offers praise or encouragement, pat yourself on the back for taking such good care of yourself.  Realize how good you are to yourself for having broken free from such a destructive addiction.  Be proud and remember - NEVER TAKE ANOTHER PUFF!




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From: JoelSent: 1/25/2006 6:12 PM

My Support Group is Responsible!






Case 1: Case 2:
“How do you expect me to quit smoking? All of my family, friends, and work associates smoke. Whenever I try to quit they all try to sabotage my efforts. With support like that, I can't quit smoking!�?/B> “I know I will quit. Nobody wants me to smoke. My kids beg me to stop, my husband hates it when I smoke, and we're not allowed to smoke at work. I feel like a social outcast wherever I go. With all those people on my back, I know I won't fail in quitting!�?/B>



In both of the above cases, the smoker is wrong in their assessment of whether or not they can actually quit smoking.  Success in quitting smoking is not primarily determined by significant others.  It is based on the strength of the smoker's own desire to quit.

In case one, the smoker is blaming his failure on lack of support and actual sabotage attempts by others.  But not one of these people physically forced a lit cigarette into his mouth and made him inhale.  Considering that the only way he could reinforce his nicotine addiction is by inhaling a cigarette, none of his smoking associates had the final say on his success or failure.

Case two, on the other hand, was working under the false assumption that quitting smoking would be a breeze since everybody would support her because they hated her smoking.  Not once, though, did she say that she actually wanted to stop for herself.  She was stopping because everyone else wanted her to.  In essence, she was depriving herself of her cigarettes to make everybody else happy.  While she may not have lit up when surrounded by others, sooner or later she would be alone.  With no one around, what personal reason does she have to strengthen her resolve not to take a cigarette?

When you joined our clinic, you may have initially blamed others for your failure or erroneously credited the clinic and others with your success.  No one failed or succeeded for you.  You did it.  While significant others can influence how easy or difficult quitting will be, your own personal resolve is the major determinant of success or failure.

If you failed when you tried in the past, stop blaming others.  Realize that your personal desire to stop was not strong enough to overcome the powerful grip cigarettes exerted on you.  Rather than making one half hearted attempt after another, make a personal assessment of why you smoke and why you wish to stop.  If your personal reasons are good enough, then try to stop.  As long as your ammunition is strong, no one will be able to make you smoke.

On the other hand, if you quit, don't feel that the clinic or any one else made you do it.  You broke free from a powerful addiction.  You did it by making up your own mind, throwing out your cigarettes, and refusing to take another one no matter how much temptation you faced.  For this you should be proud. And to maintain that pride for the rest of your life - NEVER TAKE ANOTHER PUFF!



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From: JoelSent: 1/25/2006 6:12 PM
 
Words that translate to RELAPSE
 
Slip
Just
Only
Puff
Cheat
Sneak
One
Accident
Mistake
Boo boo
Drag
Blunder
Error
Steal
Borrow
Stupidity
Ignorance
Miscalculation
Foolishness
Folly
Setback
 
 
No matter which word a person chooses to try to explain his or her relapse, the end result will be the same--the person is once again under total control of a drug that will rob him or her of his or her health and eventually, his or her life.
 
While there are many words and phrases that we could use to define success, for simplicity I will narrow it down to one phrase. To avoid having to use words like Slip or Just or Only or Puff or Cheat or Sneak or Accident or Mistake or Boo boo or Drag or Blunder or Error or Steal or Borrow or Setback is as simple as always sticking to the one phrase of just remembering to never take another puff!
 
Joel

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From: JoelSent: 1/25/2006 6:14 PM
I want one—no I don't. One sounds great—no it doesn't. Oh just one—not just one. If you keep thinking in terms of "one" this kind of internal debate is non-relenting—it will slowly drive you nuts.

So, don't carry on this debate. Don't think in terms of one. Think in terms of full-fledged smoking. The full quantity, the social stigma, the stench, the costs, the risks. I'm not advocating looking at them negatively. Just look at them how they were—really were at the end.

They were making you sick and tired enough of them that you voluntarily put yourself into withdrawal to break free from them. You did it. Now just keep them in perspective. If you used to smoke 20 a day, say to yourself when the urge hits that "I want 20 a day, every day, for the rest of my life, till it cripples, then kills me." As soon as you hear yourself say it in that perspective you will likely find yourself next saying, "What am I thinking? I don't want to smoke that way." That will be the end of that particular discussion.

Look at smoking in real terms and you will walk away from each urge with a sense of relief and accomplishement. Fantasize about them and you may walk away with a feeling of deprivation. You are not depriving yourself of anything, you are ridding yourself of a deadly addiction. See them for what they are and you will stay forever resolute to never take another puff!

Joel

 

The fantasy

The reality

 


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From: JoelSent: 1/25/2006 6:16 PM

The Law of Addiction





Smokers are often furious with me because they believe I caused them to go back to smoking.  Why do they think this?  Well, I have this nasty habit of making a really big deal any time a clinic participant takes one puff or maybe just a few cigarettes.  The smoker feels I am so persuasive in my arguments that he has no choice but to have a full-fledged relapse.  In his opinion, I forced him back to the life-time dependency which will impair his health and may eventually cost him his life.  He is convinced that if I had not made such a major issue out of the incident, he would just have smoked that one time and would never have done it again.  How can I sleep each night knowing what I have done?

I sleep quite well, thank you.  For, you see, I am not responsible for these people's relapses to cigarettes.  They can take full credit for becoming smokers again.  They relapsed because they broke the one major law of nicotine addiction - they took a puff.  This is not my law.  I am not setting myself up to be judge, jury, and executioner.  The law of physiological addiction states that administration of a drug to an addict will cause reestablishment of the dependence on that substance.  I didn't write that law.  I don't execute that law.  My job is much simpler than that.  All I do is interpret the law.  This means, by taking a puff, the smoker either goes back to full-fledged smoking or goes through the withdrawal process associated with quitting.  Most don't opt for the withdrawal.

Every clinic has a number of participants who have quit in the past for one year or longer.  In fact, I had one clinic participant who had stopped for a period of 24 years before he relapsed.  He never heard that such a law existed, that even after 24 years, the ex-smoker is not totally freed from his imprisonment of addiction.  He didn't understand that the day he tossed his "last" cigarette, he was placed "on probation" for the rest of his life.  But ignorance of the law is not excusable - not the way the laws of a physiological nature are written.  By the American standards of justice, this seems to be cruel and unusual punishment.  But this is the way things are.

Maybe instead of going to a smoking clinic, a recently relapsed person should contact his attorney to plead his case of why he should be able to have an occasional cigarette when he desires.  Maybe he can cheat just once, get a sympathetic jury, be judged innocent, and walk out of the courtroom a free and independent person.  Surely, in pleading his case before twelve impartial people, he will probably have no problem convincing them that he is innocent of any wrong doing.  And, as he happily walks out of court a free and independent person, he will probably have an uncontrollable urge and then light a cigarette.

Don't look for loop-holes in the law of addiction.  You will be convicting yourself back to smoking.  While it may seem harsh and unfair, to many, smoking is a crime punishable by death.  Don't try to cheat the system - NEVER TAKE ANOTHER PUFF!


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From: JoelSent: 1/25/2006 6:25 PM

Make sure to read the third paragraph from the end in this one. Your technique up to this point captures the essence of the issue covered in that paragraph.


Quitting by Gradual Withdrawal



Quitting by the gradual withdrawal method.  I discuss this method quite extensively in my seminars.  I always tell how if there is anyone attending who knows a smoker who they really despise they should actively encourage them to follow the gradual withdrawal "cut down" approach.  They should call them up ever day and tell them to just get rid of one cigarette.  Meaning, if they usually smoke 40 a day, just smoke 39 on the first day of the attempt to quit.  The next day they should be encouraged to smoke only 38 then 37 the next day and so on.  Then the seminar participant should call these people every day to congratulate them and encourage them to continue.  I must reemphasize, this should only be done to a smoker you really despise.

You see, most smokers will agree to this approach.  It sounds so easy to just smoke one less each day.  Thirty-nine cigarettes to a two pack a day smoker seems like nothing.  The trick is to convince the person that you are only trying to help them.  For the first week or two the one downside is you have to pretend to like the person and you have to talk to them every day.  They won’t whine to bad either.  When they are down to 30 from 40, they may start to complain a little.  You really won’t be having fun yet.  When the payoff comes is about three weeks into scam.  Now you've got them to less than half their normal amount.  They are in moderate withdrawal all the time.

A month into the approach you’ve got them into pretty major withdrawal.  But be persistent.  Call them and tell them how great they are doing and how proud you are of them.  When they are in their 35th to 39th day, you have pulled off a major coup.  This poor person is in peak withdrawal, suffering miserably and having absolutely nothing to show for it.  They are no closer to ending withdrawal than the day you started the process.  They are in chronic withdrawal, not treating him or herself to one or two a day, but actually depriving him or herself of 35 to 40 per day.

If you want to go in for the kill, when you got them down to zero, tell them don’t worry if things get tough, just take a puff every once in a while.  If you can get them to fall for this, taking one puff every third day, they will remain in withdrawal forever.  Did I mention you really should despise this person to do this to them?  It is probably the cruelest practical joke that you could ever pull on anyone.  You will undercut their chance to quit, make them suffer immeasurably and likely they will at some point throw in the towel, return to smoking, have such fear of quitting because of what they went through cutting down, that they will continue to smoke until it kills them.  Like I said, you better really despise this person.

Hopefully there is no one you despise that much to do this to them.  I hope nobody despises themselves enough to do this to themselves.  Quitting cold turkey may be hard but quitting by this withdrawal technique is virtually impossible.  If you have a choice between hard and impossible, go for hard.  You will have something to show at the end of a hard process, but nothing but misery at the end of an impossible approach.  Quit cold and in 72 hours it eases up.  Cut down and it will basically get progressively worse for weeks, months, years if you let it.

I should mention, this is not a new technique.  It has been around for decades.  Talk to every long-term ex-smoker you know.  Try to find one person who successfully used the cut down approach, gradually reducing to eventual zero over weeks or months.  You will be hard pressed to find even one person who fits this bill.  One other perspective that should help you see the flaw in the approach.  Look at people here who had once quit for months or years and then relapsed.  One day, after such a long time period, they take a drag and are smoking again.  If one puff can do this after years or decades, guess what it will do after days or hours of being smoke free.  It puts the smoker back to square one. All that any ex-smoker has to do to avoid relapse or chronic withdrawal is to - NEVER TAKE ANOTHER PUFF!

Joel



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From: MSN NicknameStarshinegrl-GoldSent: 1/25/2006 6:36 PM
 
Hi Mel,
 
be honest with yourself. You haven't slipped, you have relapsed or you have not even started your quit. You are also not having a hard time with your quit, you are having a hard time with yourself and I am sorry to read that you are feeling this way.
 
There is no way you can remain "as smoke free as possible." You either are smoke=nicotine free or you aren't. No, wrong, for the first three days you would be smoke free but not yet nicotine free.
 
You really don't need to worry about relapsing into full blown smoking again if you keep this going. No need to worry as it WILL happen and much sooner than you think.
 
It seems to me as if you think that quitting really is "A fate worse than death". It honestly isn't. As an active addict, I have also always been looking for The easy way out. Have a close look at this, especially  #4, 11, 26, 29, 33.
 
Mel, if you have been reading here you will have seen Law of addiction. There really is no loophole in it. The way to get over the first day is just to not take even Just one little puff. You can do it, you have proven to yourself that you can do it already. Don't let this go on and on.
 
Don't be scared of Success. There really is nothing to be scared of. Your life without nicotine will be so much better and soon you will ask yourself why it took you so long ...
 
Go on! Are you ready to take back your life? Educate yourself about nicotine addiction, read all the messages Joel has given to you and just do it. You are so worth it. You really are!
 
I won't wish you any luck as you really don't need it but I do wish you all the best on your own, personal, nicotine free Journey home.
 
Gitte
425 days and a bit

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From: JoelSent: 5/5/2007 12:28 PM
Video Title
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"I want one!" 1.01mb 5.36mb 0.78mb 05:33 10/18/06
"If I relapse I'll smoke until it kills me" 1.58mb 04.4mb   05:11 02/25/07
"I can't quit or I won't quit" 6.33mb 28.6mb  3.29mb 22:15 10/16/06
Telling others that you have quit smoking 2.53mb 7.58mb  1.30mb 08:57 10/17/06
 

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