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| | From:  _MrWonder_ (Original Message) | Sent: 10/31/2008 9:55 PM |
I Contributed Nothing To Salvation
God created the world; God created mankind. God sustains all that exists. When man sinned, God already had the plan of redemption prepared. God became a man in the Person of Jesus Christ and God was whipped, crowned with thorns, slapped and mocked, and willingly lay down on a Cross to be crucified in my behalf and in my place and God shed His blood for me. When He had paid for my every sin, past-present-future then He said "It is finished" and gave up His Spirit and His fleshly body died, per His own will. God did it all in the Person of Jesus Christ. I contributed nothing to my salvation. I wasn't whipped, crowned with thorns, nor did I climb up beside Him on the Cross to die, and even I had it would avail nothing for my sacrifice would not be perfect but would be corrupted by the pollutions of sin. If I had to make a contribution, the only contribution I could make would be the sins He died for and that does not earn salvation. It only made it necessary for Him to make all the contributory and propitionary steps to ensure my salvation. HE---DID---IT---ALL. I did nothing but receive the benefits of His grace freely. "But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name." I believe and I am saved. He did it all without contribution from me.
©2007 MrWonder. I posted this again because I really like this post. ADDENDUM: I always teach what the Bible teaches - we are to respond to God's commands. He said if we BELIEVE we will be SAVED but believing does not ADD TO WHAT CHRIST DID ON THE CROSS. He paid it ALL - I paid NONE. Salvation is an UNEARNED, UNDESERVED, FREE GIFT. I contributed nothing to salvation. I responded to God's offer of free salvation by believing and therefore receiving the free gift. If I brought a gift to you that cost me $1000 and I said "It is yours if you accept it" then if you reject it it still cost me $1000 but you don't get it. If you receive the gift it still cost me $1000 but YOU contributed NOTHING to the cost of that gift. It is FREE to you but it cost ME $1000. Even so, salvation's cost was borne by God - not by me. I did not contribute one thing to the cost of salvation. Jesus paid it all - all to Him I owe - sin had left a crimson stain - He washed it white as snow. |
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Salvation indeed can not be earned. The initial gift of salvation is absolutely free. After recieving a gift one can either take care of it, throw it away, or put it in a closet where it does no one any good. After God freely calls a person and bestows the absolutely free gift of salvation upon a person at that moment you are holy. Now you have just recieved a new nature a second nature a sinless nature the HolyGhost. As time goes by though there is choices to made. Follow the new grafted in nature (Holyghost) or self. Those that are led by the Spirit are the sons of God but if you choose to satisfy the flesh carnal nature and die in that state you have infact chosen to go to Hell. |
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| | | From: Joseph7 | Sent: 11/9/2008 7:50 PM |
Salvation comes by obedience to the gospel.If it comes automatically by NOTHING we do, then all are saved and NO ONE is lost.There is NO WAY AROUND that conclusion. Paul himself said the LORD would take fiery vengeance on those who OBEY NOT THE GOSPEL! What is the Gospel?Read the Entire book of Acts and you'll see Acts 2:38 preached and practiced all the way through it.Not the false doctrine of "easy believism". There is NO WAY AROUND IT! Are people automatically filled with GOD'S SPIRIT once they "believe"? Not according to the 8th chapter of the book of Acts they aren't!There is NO WAY AROUND THAT FACT! I see what the Apostles preached in Acts and it is NOT the hellish doctrine of easy believism which mr wonder and the rest of the harlot's children and she preaches. |
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If you said a sinners prayer or yeilded under conviction, you contributed to your salvation. OH REALLY? PLEASE tell us sinners who were saved by GRACE just HOW MANY sins YOU died for on the Cross? Also, everyone on the earth is saved, because they don't have to contribute anything to salvation. OH REALLY? You mean EVERYONE on earth has believed on the Lord Jesus Christ and been saved? Shoot, they don't even have to repent, with that ideology. If they believed they repented and if they believed they are saved. Otherwise they are CONDEMNED ALREADY BECAUSE THEY BELIEVED NOT... For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
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joseph.....you are sadly mistaken....salvation does NOT come by obedience.....obedience is the FRUIT (result) of salvation.....NOT BEFORE |
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<DIR> Heb 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; That doesnt say Christ became the author of salvation unto all them that believe on him,, it says OBEY. Belief is merely the beginning of your salvation, it cant end there. Not according to what Jesus preached on the Sermon on the Mount. </DIR> |
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The Lord Jesus said all who believe on Him have everlasting life. YOU call Him a liar - I don't dare. |
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58, Bro. Bryan. I am curious as to which sins you died for and why you were qualified to die for them and how it is that you are resurrected from the dead and in your glorified body on the earth. |
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That doesnt say Christ became the author of salvation unto all them that believe on him,, it says OBEY. Belief is merely the beginning of your salvation, it cant end there. Not according to what Jesus preached on the Sermon on the Mount. MW.. exactly where in that paragragh did I call Jesus a liar? |
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Where did I say that you dont have to believe? Why would you repent, confess or be baptized if you DIDNT believe? It is the first step of many, so of course you have to believe to be saved. You make belief a noun, when Jesus said it, it was a verb. |
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Well let's see, Spitfire. Do you AGREE with this statement by Jesus Christ? "I tell you the truth, he that BELIEVES on Me HAS everlasting life." "Has" means it is a present possession - has it NOW. Agree or disagree with the statement, and don't add any qualifiers - He didn't. As for "obey" I see the obedience that Christ requires is the obedience of BELIEF. We are commanded to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ - therefore obedience is belief and belief is obedience. Your turn. |
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Mr Wonder, I think I understand what you're trying to say. I have no problem with the first three paragraphs of the lead post. Here is where I have the problem. (I believe and I am saved. He did it all without contribution from me.) Where is responsibility of the believer? Where is the accountibilty for past and present sins? The word "believe" is a verb. Do you really believe that a mental acknowledgement is enough? Did'nt anything change after the resurrection, and the beginning of the Church age? |
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I know you didn't ask me, but if I may.......the responsibility of the believer is to acknowledge that they are a sinner because of what one man (Adam) did. That one is helpless to save themselves, and that they are in need of a Savior (Jesus Christ). Read in Zechariah about the man who is standing in heaven covered in dung and there beside him is Jesus Christ who intercedes for him to clean him and give him new clothes (righteousness). The accountability of sin on the part of the believer is suffered through the consequences of sinfulness......Jesus Christ went to the Cross and paid for the sins of all mankind past, present and future sins for us.....we have one who was made to be sin in our place so that we would not have to pay that penalty of death of sinfulness for us so that we can be reconciled to the Father who is in heaven. Jesus paid our sin debt for us, so that we would not have to pay that horrible separation from the Father....remember when God turned His face away from Jesus while he was dying?...that is what would happen to us if we should choose not to accept this precious gift of salvation. Next....we are sinners every day. We sin every day....thought, word and deed....so therefore we ask forgiveness everyday for our sins so that we are right with our Father. This is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth of salvation. We cannot earn it, we cannot buy it and we cannot be good enough to get it. Salvation is a gift from God because of His great abiding love He has for us. (John 3:16). |
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Bro. Bryan, it is the believer's responsibility to BELIEVE - Christ said "Without ME you can do NOTHING." Everything I do right I do right because Christ indwells me. "Walk in the Spirit..." and what? "...and ye shall not fulfill the lusts of the flesh." That PROVES that everything I do right I do because of Christ leading me by the Holy Spirit. Everything I do wrong I do because of my flesh leading ME. God never leads me to do wrong. Christ died for ALL my sins. Not some of them. ALL of them. Brother, it is ALL CHRIST and NONE OF US. Every time there is SOME OF US, we sin. We err. We fail. Why? Because the flesh lusts against the Spirit and the Spirit against the flesh. I contributed nothing to salvation. I believed, but I believed with the faith that Christ gave me. It is all Christ - all the good. And it is all MrWonder - all the bad. Don't worry about accountability because God will exact what is right from you. Never fear; you will reap what you sow. As for PAYMENT of sins, past and present, Christ paid for ALL MY SINS, not some of them. I never said one word about "mental acknowledgement". Not a word. To BELIEVE on Jesus Christ means to trust in Him, rely on Him, depend on Him and Him alone to be one's Lord and one's Saviour. When you do that, brother, everything will change. "If any man be in Christ he is a new creation - old things pass away and behold, all things are become new". You cannot add one cubit to your stature by taking thought. You can't die for your sins. Christ already did. Not only did He DO it all but He DOES it all in the believer even now. I do right when Christ is in CONTROL - I do wrong when MrWonder is in CONTROL. So not only did I not contribute to my salvation on the Cross, I don't see where I contribute anything to my sanctification now, either, for the Bible says I am predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. The Holy Spirit conforms me; I don't. So what's my part? I surrender all; I surrender all; All to Thee my blessed Saviour; I surrender all. Surrender to Christ; study to show thyself approved to God and man; and continue in prayer and thanksgiving; and give all glory to God through Jesus Christ and it shall be well with thee. |
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What can we (I) do to bring on my salvation? Can I forgive all who have done err to me? Sure I can but that does nothing for my salvation. Can I give my all to gain salvation? I can give all but it is naught for salvation. Can I get into the water and have someone speal religeous words over me to gain salvation? I can but there will be no salvation. If I may place steps to form a timeline, , , I must find myself as lost and without hope. What I have done to offend the worls counts nothing against me. I am lost and sinful. One offence God is all sin. Whether I am a child of five years of if I am 95. When I recognise myself as sinful I call upon Jesus to make Him Lord of all. I now may beg forgivness of my sinfulness whereby He (Jesus) forgives my sin and makes me as a child of God. I am now saved forever. As a testamony that Christ has redeemed and saved me I will now seek out to be baptised before others. I do not believe that a baptism in private is what should happen. There is no testamony in doing that. Any works done will be for Christ in thanksgiving for His Lordship over my life. Salvation cannot be bought because Jesus has already paid all cost for me. Ephesians 2:8-9 |
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