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| | From: daisy4300 (Original Message) | Sent: 11/10/2007 3:32 AM |
Hi everyone
I'm new here to the forum and am wanting some advice from tiel breeders. My husband and I are wanting to breed cockatiels but at this stage we are in the research phase. My husband has had some experience in the past having bred them with his brothers when he was younger but I however have never even owned a bird although I have always loved and wanted a tiel. I have read many articles on all different aspects of breeding, clipping, hand rearing, etc etc but would love to hear some tips from others out there on where we should start. I will be the one who is at home during the day with them as hubby works. We live in the Northern Territory, Australia so i'm wondering how they would go in our wet and dry seasons? At this stage i'm thinking we should start with a hand reared cock so I can get used to the breed before we introduce a female and start to breed down the track. or vice versa. Would a hand reared be better to start with or aviary? We plan to hand rear our birds so they are house tame/friendly, etc. We also plan to have any new birds for at least 3 mths before breeding with them to adjust to the move, new surroundings etc, i've heard this allows them to settle and adjust better? Any tips or advice would be great. We really want to do our homework before commiting ourselves. |
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Hi Daisy, Welcome!! I don't breed tiels but I think we have several people who do. Hang in there, they will see this message soon. Check back for sure in 12 hours or so. Some are up all night (our nighttime). Annie |
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Welcome to BB. Momnoah is our cockatiel breeder and she will be able to give you loads of help. I think with Tiels nothing would stop them from breeding when they have found themselves a mate... not the wet, dry or moving as they are prolific little breeders. Unfortunately this can harm the hen, deplete her body with overlaying and then it would be necessary that you have all the right supplements available.. BTW I was in Pt Douglas for several years. |
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Welcome, Daisy. It is good that you want to get information before breeding the cockatiels. I started with a pair of cockatiels (lutino male and cinnamon female) in 1998, and now have 15 cockatiels. Except for one clutch of 6, I have always let the parents raise the chicks. The one chick that I hand fed from that clutch (lutino female) has always been very tame and loving. I have found that cockatiels are in the mood to breed all year long. Mine have their own little house, separate from my house, but no aviary. Momnoah is our resident cockatiel expert, so I'm sure she'll have lots of good suggestions for you to try. Kathy |
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| | From: momnoah | Sent: 11/13/2007 4:11 AM |
<DIR> Hi Daisy. First question: Why do you want to breed? Profit? Hobby? Fun? Show?Second: What do you want to breed for? Color? Temperment? Size? Before you get any birds to breed, you need to do a lot of research. You will have to learn nutrition, care, first aid, to hand feed, and a lot more. If you plan on selling, you need to know who you will sell to. Will you sell wholesale or retail? Where will you advertise? Are there shops you can sell to or bird shows/fairs you can sell them? You will need to know the market near you if you are going to sell them, what mutations sell well, which don't do as well. You need to know and understand something of genetics so you will have an idea of what you have, and what you are likely to get. It is always best to start out with the best birds possible. Buying good birds to start with can get pretty pricy, but better than breeding mediocre birds and having trouble finding homes for all. You want big birds of good conformation, temperment and disposition first and foremost. Then if you wish to breed for a color mutation, you have to know not only the color of the parents, but of their parents as well so you can guess at what 'splits' they might have- then you can guess what you might come up with. it helps to know so you can attempt a pairing that will produce what you want... birds willing of course. There is more, but I think this is a start... </DIR> |
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Thankyou so much everyone for replying, especially momnoah for your advice. I'm hoping that we will get a lot of enjoyment as a family hand rearing them but I also imagine it will be a lot of hard work,physically and emotionally at times. We would like to aim for good temperament and nice colours, well socialised and healthy birds. Where we live, it's fairly isolated from the rest of Australia so we have a lack of breeders for many animals. They are such a beautiful bird which I believe everyone should have the opportunity of owning as a pet if they wish. We have 3 main pet shops locally or within a 20 min radius and only one has hand reared cockatiels, the others don't even have aviary cockatiels and that's just due to a lack of suppliers. We tried finding a breeder and the nearest one is a state away which happens a lot for many animals up here and then they need to be flown in which for a cockatiel, I imagine this could be very stressful. I would love to be able to supply well raised, well socialised, happy birds of good size, colour and temperment for families to enjoy as pets. This is why we are trying to research as much as possible now although there would be many things I'm sure that you could only learn hands on. I want to be prepared for as much as possible though, like first aid, nutrition, etc. We have read quite a bit now on different aspects of raising and breeding. Things like nutrition I've found many have different views on and different results. Here we have many markets through our dry seasons, pet shops that lack supply and plenty of places to advertise. I really believe that it should be a personalised experience with owning a cockatiel for a pet given their temperment rather than be locked up in a cage all day long and we would like to give people an opportunity to experience this. |
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| | From: momnoah | Sent: 11/13/2007 7:14 AM |
You are welcome Daisy. If I can help more, let me know. I have tons of links etc... about 'tiels. I'd double check with the pet shops about demand for h/f tiel babies too. I like your enthusiasm, and think more people should get to know how sweet tiels can be... but that isn't always reality. Also, be careful. If you breed alot, you can flood the market and prices will drop. At lower prices, more may impulse buy birds then not care for them. Thre are always limitations in any given market for any one particular item.. in this case, Cockatiels. You are very right. It is alot of work, many things can go wrong and often do. It is tiring when you start hand feeding every 4 hours.It is emotionally draining if you lose one, or when you have to part with them (well it is to me anyway). I might also add that at least here, I just barely break even if I'm lucky. Of course I don't let them breed and raise clutch after clutch. Mine are allowed 1 or 2 clutches a year if they are very determined. I'm not in it for the money. I'm more concerned with the birds' health and well being. I only sell some of the babies because I can't keep them all and because it does help supply feed, cages, toys etc... I also can't deny that I love hand feeding and playing with the babies. But that's why I currently have 20... I get attached and end up keeping one, or two... That is a major pitfall, lol.... It sounds like you have done a lot of thinking about it so far and have a good start, but I think you would do well to take a trip or fly some birds in. If there are limited birds in the area, they will be likely related unless new blood is brought in. If you really want to breed, after you have done your research and buy a pair or two of unrelated but proven breeders. Get references from the breeder. Any time you rehome a bird whether flying or driving, it can be stressful, but they usually are fine after a short time in the new home as long as they have good food, plenty of room & exercise, stuff to chew & play with. Young birds just weaned are said to do best.. but you never know. It's up to the individual bird. Some enjoy travel, some take it in stride, some are unhappy about it. When you first start, you should have someone who really knows how to hand feed teach you. I don't think drenching, or crop-feeding is right unless the bird is ill and can't feed normally. It's harsh, dangerous and if bred, they make poor parents. (How can they feed babies when they never learn to eat properly?) I leave mine in the nest until their eyes are open (7-10 days), them pull them to hand feed. You must keep them the corret temperature and humidity. OK, hand is getting numb... more next time? |
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| | From: MzMarz | Sent: 11/19/2007 7:01 PM |
I would think tiels would do fine in Northern Territory, Australia, since they are native to Australia. That's my simple take. |
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