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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551  (Original Message)Sent: 8/9/2007 4:27 PM

~~ Prayer of Jesus ~~

John 17:13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.

John 17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

First read the above. Jesus said to God, and now I come to thee. Now that sentence ALONE proves that Jesus was not the God to whom he was speaking. Jesus did not talk foolish. He was not telling himself, I am coming to thee. Jesus was not crazy! Your doctrine makes him appear crazy.

John 17:18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

Jesus is still talking to his God here. He said as you sent me�?so have I sent them. Is he talking to himself? No sensible person could believe that. He was not crazy!

John 17:19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

Joh 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

Joh 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

Now verse 21 all alone proves that God is more than anyone could count! Slow down and read this slowly and pray. Forget your evil toward me and seek for some pure understanding, if you desire something from God. If not, you best go play ball and forget standing in the way of people and blocking them from truth.

Jesus prayed right there the we all, get that ALL, may be ONE AS THEY ARE ONE.

All, everyone of God’s people�?to be ONE as they are ONE. You, Father are in me, and I in thee, that they ALSO may be ONE IN US.

Now Is Jesus crazy? Why would he pray that we ALL may be ONE? Is he thinking that God will incarnate us all into one giant person? And the rest cease to be? Is He asking God to incarnate us all into the one God, and none of us really exist anymore? That is the same kind of reasoning you all are doing when you ‘see�?God in Christ. God ceased to be and only Christ exists! And you throw stones at me? !!

 

John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

In verse 22 He repeats his request. Is he crazy? By your standards, yes. He would have been a little loony. (guess I am kin to him!)

Now there is the glory which we beheld. It was the glory which God gave to Jesus when he resurrected him. It was not as he walked this earth. There was no beauty that we should desire him. Read the Word. Isa. 53. The glory which you gave me, (again, is he talking to himself?).. I have given them. So what was this glory? That they may be one, even as we are one.

Now that was the glory. Have you beheld it? That they may be ONE EVEN AS WE ARE ONE. Now that is saying that we all, all of God’s people, would be ONE in the very same way they are ONE. So this clearly shows that they are many, many, all united into ONE body.

Now even the trinity doctrine could not come up to this. Jesus did not pray that three of us would be ONE as they are ONE. No. He prayed that we ALL MAY BE ONE AS THEY (means more than one) are ONE.

Are any of you capable of comprehending such a statement? All of us, not only the ones standing there, but he prayed for all of us who would ever believe on him through their words, (this includes me)…all (many) of US, may be ONE IN THE SAME WAY THEY ARE ONE.

Still want to throw your stones? Well go to it. I would gladly die for this glory God has given to me, to know His Word in this true fashion.

Sure, Tweety. It is the Church. But remember that the true Church, the Christ, is a many-membered body, which is THE IMAGE OF GOD.

So how could many be the image of God, unless God is many?

John 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

Joh 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

Again in those verses Jesus said I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made PERFECT IN ONE. So unless you come into this true ONENESS with the multitudes who believe on him, and with the God kingdom, you will not be made perfect, for this is the perfection and the glory. So have you beheld his glory? Not one of you. Here Jesus said he is in them, or us. you think that because God was in Christ, that this made Christ to be God and God no longer existed apart from Christ.

So Is Jesus in you? them? by the same standard then, that would make you, them, us, be Christ and He would no longer exist apart from us, them, you.

Is that truth? Is He in you? does that make you him, and he no longer exists? That is how you are all interpreting God being in Christ.

 

Now there is the solid proof that we are to all become ONE IN EXACTLY THE SAME MANNER THEY ARE ONE. All of us, being ONE. It is the same way God is ONE. It is not just 1 person or just 3 persons. That is blind mockery to the real greatness of the true God.

Now to cling to your tiny petty concept of the oneness of God and Jesus is to call Jesus a crazy person for such a prayer. Seems certain from this that his understanding of being ONE IS THE VERY SAME THAT I HAVE. After all, He gave it to me.

I truly once believed exactly as you all do today. I went from trinity to Jesus only. But thanks be to God, he brought me out of it all, and into his glorious truth.

By: Jo Smith ~~~ August 9, 2007



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From: MSN Nicknamelovejoy742Sent: 8/9/2007 9:25 PM
Hi,  this is a very good message.  Thanks.

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From: MSN Nicknamerollingstone444Sent: 8/15/2007 2:40 AM
if Jesus prayed it,  that's just how it is.  good.