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| | From:  Freeborn551 (Original Message) | Sent: 12/9/2006 4:47 AM |
I have been reading some more on this site: The Coronation of Mary  The Coronation of Mary
Queen of Heaven
The feast of the Queenship of Mary was established in 1954 by Pope Pius XII. The original date for this feast was chosen as May 31st, but was later moved to the octave day of the feast of the Assumption, August 22nd. This memorial celebrates the same event that is highlighted by the fifth glorious mystery or the Rosary. Throughout the New Testament, Mary's role in heaven is mentioned. Mary is alluded to as Queen in the book of Revelations [tracy's note: that passage refers to ISRAEL NOT MARY], and throughout the Bible. It is because of Jesus close relationship with his mother that she shares in his kingship. The Church and the faithful for have also referred to Mary as queen since the fourth century. Various songs, litanies, and prayers refer to Mary as queen. (e.g. Regina Caeli during Eastertide.) The Church has affirmed the title of Mary in modern times through documents including Lumen Gentium (..."and exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things, that she might be the more fully conformed to her Son" Lumen Gentium 59) and the papal encyclical Ad Coeli Reginam. The title Queen is used to indicate the final state of the Virgin, seated beside her Son, the King of glory. Queen of Heaven rejoice, alleluia
(well I covered up the link with the article). So will go on.>>>. Notice that the Protestant lady (tracy), whose this web site is, is proclaiming the truth about the idolatrous worship of the Catholics of Mary. ..... but.....notice in the article, where she refers to the fact that they say the woman is Revelation is Mary, ----(she is calling this idolatorous, and it is....but....) notice that she then pronounces the protestant's same idol lie.....she says it is not Mary but Israel! (so she gives the sinful nation of Israel credit for bearing the manchild!) ((it stinks)) So now she is just as much into idolatry as they are. she is worshipping or honouring the nation of Israel (in Scripture, also know as a woman) as this woman who gave the world the true Manchild. so she is ignorantly also worshipping an idol, which to her is Israel. As the protestants pronounce the idols of the Catholics, and denounce them, they also pick them right back up and run with the same old idols and will fight to the death any of us who declare that theirs is the SAME OLD IDOLS. Watch members here fight me when I declare that your old santa claus, your decorate trees are idols, your church steeples are idols, your buildings are idols, your easter junk is idols, etc. You are mad upon your idols. You are just as guilty of idols as the Catholics are. You worship that old sinful nation of Israel just as surely as the Catholics worship their evil queen of heaven, which they call mary. Jesus Christ is the one who birthed and gave us the true manchild. Now that is the only one we can worship and not be guilty of idols. Jesus and His Father. You all need to read some of this junk and open your blinded eyes. Those of you who lock yourselves back under that old jewish law, are guilty of worshipping ellen white, for you set her words above the words of Jesus and His apostles. I offer no apology to anyone for my stand against these evils and for truth. Jo Smith |
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I offer no apology to anyone for my stand against these evils and for truth.
And neither do I.
Jesus Christ is the one who birthed and gave us the true manchild. To this I agree, but my question to the board who was the woman that gave birth to the manchild. |
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Ok, let's prove it was Jesus that was the man child It said ~~~~~~~~ Rev 12:5And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
Now these verses prove it was Jesus Ps 2:9Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. Rev 2: 27And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father Rev 19:15And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. Acts 1: 2 Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen: Mark 16:19So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God. ( All speaking of Jesus) Rev 12:10And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. Mat 1:21And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. Acts 4 7And when they had set them in the midst, they asked, By what power, or by what name, have ye done this? 8Then Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, said unto them, Ye rulers of the people, and elders of Israel, 9If we this day be examined of the good deed done to the impotent man, by what means he is made whole; 10Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. 11This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. 12Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. |
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Thank you, Axs, for these good words. God has certainly made a great teacher of you. I will answer your question.....who was the 'woman' who bore the manchild. Here is the answer, from the word of God: | Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. | | He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. |
| For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left; and thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited. | | Fear not; for thou shalt not be ashamed: neither be thou confounded; for thou shalt not be put to shame: for thou shalt forget the shame of thy youth, and shalt not remember the reproach of thy widowhood any more. | | For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called. | | For the LORD hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God. | | For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee. | | In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the LORD thy Redeemer. |
| To the chief Musician upon Aijeleth Shahar, A Psalm of David. My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring? | |
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Very good Freeborn. | Revelation 12:5
And she gave birth to a son, a male child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up to God and to His throne. | Jesus is this male child born to the woman. He will rule all nations at His return to this earth as He promised. He is now sitting at the right hand of God 1 Peter 3:22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him. WE already have established that Jesus was the man child, and Freeborn I see what u r talking about but let's all get into this some more. Interesting study to me. Let's turn to the book of Revelation, chapter 12:
1) And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars.
This woman of Revelation 12:1 is completely identified with the sun, moon, and stars. From the top of her head (crown of stars) to the bottom of her feet (moon under her feet); and the rest of her body clothed with the sun. It would help our study if we knew who this woman was? Let's read on in Revelation 12:
2) And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
3) And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4) And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven , and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
5) And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to His throne.
6) And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
As we read this passage and the rest of the account given in Revelation 12 regarding this woman we can be sure of two things:
First, that the child this woman brings forth is none other than the Lord Jesus Christ. The language of the chapter unmistakably points to Christ. (compare especially Psalm 2 with Rev 12:5).
Secondly, that the woman being spoken of (clothed with the sun, etc.) is not Mary. We do not read that Mary ever fled into the wilderness after Christ's birth. Also, verse 14 of Revelation 12 says the woman was given two wings of a great eagle that she might fly into the wilderness. Clearly the woman being spoken of in Revelation 12 is not a literal woman; but is being used to speak of something else.
Who could this woman be? This is spiritual. |
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Meant to add this in the above. What was 2 wings of a great eagle that she might fly into the wilderness. |
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Got a lots of questions on this one, but that is the way to learn is to ask. |
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Since the woman is said to have brought forth the man child (Christ); then the woman must be a type and a figure of something. Is this right? |
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Hi Axs, Thanks for your message and questions. I completely explained this in my message on Emmanuel. Jesus was the virgin who bore the manchild. the manchild is the Christ. It was the RESURRECTED, glorified Jesus Christ. Listen, Jesus is the very first one to enter into the Holiest of Holies. He entered into the Heaven of God and sat upon the throne of God. But now that manchild was first INSIDE Jesus. See all human flesh is FEMALE to God. It is the receiver of life. The Spirit of God is the male, or the life-giver. Jesus is the only human to ever cross over and become a male. He is now a life-giver. But first he had to have that seed of life given to him by God. (carnal minds will go wild with this) God placed his seed, or word/spirit into the heart or womb of Jesus. Jesus grew that Christ inside himself. Jesus went through exactly the same process to new birth, that we must go through. Jesus had to obey God and fulfill his will, in order to birth his manchild. That manchild, the resurrected Christ, is the one who ascended to Heaven and now rules with God as God. Jesus was the virgin to God, who bore this manchild. It was the inner man of Jesus. Jesus crucified the outer man and died to that human side. He then brought forth the very first BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD. This was at his resurrection. Those eagles wings are the WORD. It is the spirit of Grace and Truth. We must have this spirit of Grace and Truth in order to give birth to our own manchild. Jesus travailed at Calvary to give birth; first to his own manchild, then to give birth to us, his children. He is our spiritual Mother. He is our Father. He is our sister and brother. Do any of you ever really ponder on these things and try to see what they really mean? It is not 'just words'. JO |
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Thanks very much freeborn. Now that we have establish that Jesus was the woman that borned the manchild Christ, let's see if I may ask some more questions. Wish you all would get into these messages. Revelation 12 1And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: Ok, my question is, what is the sun that this woman is clothed with, and what is the moon under her feet, and what was the crown of 12 stars? |
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very good questions, Axs. Let's look at a few of the 'clothes' he wears: | Now therefore arise, O LORD God, into thy resting place, thou, and the ark of thy strength: let thy priests, O LORD God, be clothed with salvation, and let thy saints rejoice in goodness. |
We Know Jesus or Christ, is the High Priest of God. So he is clothed with SALVATION. | The LORD reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the LORD is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved. |
Here he is clothed with STRENGTH and Majesty. | Bless the LORD, O my soul. O LORD my God, thou art very great; thou art clothed with honour and majesty. | | Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain: |
Here he is clothed with honour and majesty and coverest himself with LIGHT as with a garment. This LIGHT comes from that SUN. | Let thy priests be clothed with righteousness; and let thy saints shout for joy. |
Here that priest is clothed with RIGHTEOUSNESS. | And the glory of the God of Israel was gone up from the cherub, whereupon he was, to the threshold of the house. And he called to the man clothed with linen, which had the writer's inkhorn by his side; |
Here we see him as a man clothed with LINEN. Many scriptures show this linen garment. In revelation it says that the linen is the RIGHTEOUSNESS of saints. Last in Revelation we find him as an angel clothed with a CLOUD, the Sun and a vesture dipped in blood. So all of this shows that the Sun was all these glorious attributes which which he is clothed. The Sun also shows the glory of God. It shows righteousness, which is truth and grace. So we see that Jesus was clothed with all these glories. God said in Genesis that he made two great lights, the greater light to rule the DAY and the lesser light to rule the NIGHT. The Sun is that great light, which is grace and truth. The Moon is that law, which is the lesser light and rules those in darkness of NIGHT. Jesus was clothed with grace and truth. He had a crown of twelve stars, which is his twelve Apostles. There were on his head to bring the rest of us into His Kingdom. We come in by the teachings of his Apostles. That is his GLORY. |
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