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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551  (Original Message)Sent: 10/15/2006 6:37 PM

~ Trinity analyses ~

I have a few thoughts or questions on this false doctrine of ‘trinity�? If you are one who is deceived into believing this false teaching, I hope you will sincerely take stock of these questions, and seek for the answers.

First, consider this. This doctrine says that there are three distinct persons in one Godhead. The first thing you should do is to make a search of Scripture and see if this is actually stated anywhere in Scripture. Then the teaching says that The Father is the first person in this Godhead. So then show me where the Word of God says this.

Then it says that God the Son, meaning Jesus, is the second person in this Godhead. First, that term, God the Son, is never found in Scripture. This eliminates that as truth. But where does the Word state that Jesus is the second person in this Godhead? For that matter, where does the Word even mention ‘persons�?in the Godhead?

Now take close thought to this next one. This is what God impressed on me today to show you. They say the Holy Ghost is the third person in the Godhead. So, first, where does the Word even indicate that the Holy Ghost is a ‘person�? The idea of God being three men is nowhere supported in Scripture. It could not possibly fit any Scripture about God.

For one proof of this, see that Jesus stated in John 17, that His Father was in him, and he was in his Father. So if they are two different MEN, there is no way the Father, a man, could be inside Jesus, another man. Then of course there is the dilemma of Jesus being in the Father, as the Father is in him. Can you get any understanding on how this could be, considering them both to be distinct men? I say there is no way.

But now back to the idea that the Holy Ghost is also another different man. How in this world can any person who has ever read any Scripture possibly think the Holy Ghost is a man? If so, then how is it that the Holy Ghost, being a man, is inside so many different people?

But the real question is this: they say the Holy Ghost is the third person in this Godhead. So I ask you, if the Holy Ghost existed before Jesus, then how could he be counted as the third? After all, it does say that the Holy Ghost overshadowed Mary and caused the conception of Jesus. So then, this proves that the Holy Ghost existed before Jesus. So then why would not the Holy Ghost be second to the Father, instead of Jesus? See, it is not sensible. If the Holy Ghost brought about the conception of Jesus, then how could Jesus be counted before the Holy Ghost?

What tells anyone that the Holy Ghost is third? I want someone to show me that in Scripture. And if you cannot find it anywhere in Scripture, perhaps you should consider that this truly is A DOCTRINE OF SATAN. There is no Scripture basis for any of the words used to describe or teach the trinity. No Apostle or writer of Scripture said any of the words used to teach this false doctrine. This doctrine says God was incarnate into Jesus. I ask you, where does the word ever say this? It does not. So it is lies of man.

If this teaching is correct, I ask you, why did not one Apostle ever utter the words which men use to prove their lie?

Now another thing you should consider is this: If you think a member of the Godhead, a God, existed first in Heaven, then left Heaven, descended to earth, and got into Mary’s womb, to become a human being, Please explain, with Scripture, to me, how did this occur? Which ‘god�?left heaven and got inside Mary’s womb? How did that take place? How did the Holy Ghost carry this other ‘member�?of the Godhead, down and put him into Mary’s womb? After all, it says that the Holy Ghost overshadowed Mary, causing her to conceive this ‘second person�?of the Godhead in her womb? Does the Word actually tell us that this happened? If so, please give me the place it is mentioned. I truly wish to read that. (Now if you believe this trinity doctrine, you must see that there has to be answers to these questions, for something had to happened to bring that ‘second person�?of God down and place him into Mary’s womb, as a tiny cell.)

Many people claim that Jehovah was the one who left Heaven and got inside Mary, to become a man. If this is true, please show me that. If that is true, then are you saying that Jehovah was no longer in existence as God? Was there another man still in Heaven, called the Father? So then you are saying that Jehovah was not the Father? So what is the Father’s name? How did this great Jehovah descend into Mary and become a helpless baby? When did Jehovah become in existence again? Or did he?

If Jehovah is the person or man, who got into Mary’s womb, why did not the angel tell them to name him Jehovah? Did Jehovah cease to be? If Jehovah were a man in heaven, how did this man become another man inside Mary? How did he leave his greatness and become a tiny cell in Mary? Does the Word of God teach any such stuff? If so, please show it to me in plain words. It must be recorded at least twice in Scripture to be established as truth. So if you believe and teach this false stuff, please show me a verse which says any of this.

Surely you know that God did not leave it up to man to teach his own thoughts about what God is, who he is, and how Jesus came to be. Did God die on the cross? If so, then he was mortal and not immortal. This also means he could not have been eternal. The very fact that Jesus died, proves he was not eternal. Eternal beings had no beginning and no ending. Jesus ended as he lay in the grave. So was God DEAD? If Jesus were God, then God was dead. At least on ‘part?�?of God was dead. Was it the second or third part of God which died?

See, if this trinity doctrine is true, all of these answers must be clearly taught in plain Scripture. The Apostles had to have taught it.

1Cor 4:6 And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.

See this tells us not to think of men above that which is WRITTEN. So if Jesus were a man, then we are not to think a thing about him which is not written. You know, that is my message, “If it is not written, it is lies.�?/FONT>

History tells us that the man who worked to formulate this trinity doctrine, became so confused, that he confessed that he could no longer think of it rationally. This is the very reason why. The truth is not in confusion, as this and the Jesus-only doctrine are. Neither doctrine fits any Scripture. It is all lies of carnal-minded men, who changed the Word of God, and made up lies. What are you believing? Upon what do you trust your eternal life, or soul? Think seriously about this.

 

By: Jo Smith�? 10/15, 2006

 



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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 10/15/2006 11:09 PM
In the days of the flood, eight people believed the truth and were saved.  the rest were drowned in disbelief of the gospel.
 
In the day of the crucifixion, none stood with Jesus at the cross, except a very handful of close friends and his mother.
 
Jesus said, as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the days of the Son of Man, when he returns.  This clearly shows that not many will be in the truth.
 
Jesus said strait and narrow is the way which leads to life, and FEW  there be which find it.
 
The FEW have always been the ones with truth.  Not the many.
 
Wide and broad is the way which leads to hell, and MANY go in thereat.   Many, not the few.
 
The last or Laodician church, is the one with nothing good said about it.  It is cast away from God, being blind, (not knowing truth),  naked, (not have on righteousness),  lukewarm, (interested in worldly things and not spiritual things),  miserable  (not having the joy of the Lord),  wretched (not any joy or life in  God).
 
So I ask you,  what church is this?  Which group is the FEW?
 
How many in the world believe the trinity?  Almost all so-called Christians.  Is the Catholic church in the minority?  or the many?  Sure they are in the many.
 
How about the Baptist?  they are certainly in the many.  Methodist?  same.  Holiness?  same.  all the others?  same?  How many in the kingdom hall stuff?  many and growing fast.  how bout the adventist?  they boast millions and the fastest growing.
 
So this leads ME to concede that all these churches are in the MANY, on the broad road to destruction.
 
Is it the many who believe the trinity?  of course it is.  The vast majority of church folks believe this myth.
 
Then there is the other group--- the Jesus-only falsly so-called Apostolics.  Are they in the majority or the minority?  They are also many and growing rapidly.  Why?  Because they have become as worldly and full of idols as all the rest.
 
So what is left?
 
Think of it.  How many subscribe to the fact that God is a multi-membered KINGDOM?  I know of only two.  How many do you know?
 
When I first started teaching this on computer, and in life here,  I stated that I do not know of any others who teach this.
 
Everyone on computer mocked me,  stating that this ought to set up the 'red flags'.  This became their main answer to me.  Red flags or warnings against me went up.
 
Why?  Because I am in the minority.  the very few.
 
Judge righteous judgment.  Which one did Jesus declare would be in the truth?  Many, or the few?
 
Was there ever an example of it being the many?  No!
 
So this alone proves trinity is a lie of Satan.
 
Jo, standing alone.  (almost)

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 10/15/2006 11:23 PM
Here is an answer I wrote to Tweety on her group about Matt. 28:19:
 

No, Tweety, dear.  That is NOT what trinity is based upon.  Trinity is based solely on lies, made up by men who themselves, could not get the truth of what they were saying.
 
No. 
Listen, dear.
 
"in the name of"   -- means  by the authority of.
 
If you say, we come to you in the name of the U.S.  you mean in the authority of the U.S.
 
If a police goes in the name of the police force, it is under their authroity, not his own power.
 
Now, Jesus was the ONLY person, under the direct headship of the Father, or the only one directly under the authority of God.
 
So none of us, not Peter, Not Paul, had the authority to invoke, or call the power of the Father into action.
 
Jesus is the ONLY one who could have baptized in the name of, or authority of, the Father and Holy Ghost.
 
There is no discrepence between what Peter and Paul did, and what Jesus told them to do.  They understood that Jesus spoke under the authority of the Father.  But when they baptized in the name of Jesus,  that was all they could or had to do.  When they honored Jesus and obeyed him,  they were also obeying the Father and pleasing Him.
 
We, and they,  are under the headship, or authority of Jesus.  He is our head.  We cannot invoke the name of the or authority of the Father.  We must go through Jesus Christ.
 
I am not denying the Father,  Certainly Not.  I AM  denying that Father is only one person.  In fact, I say, with the Word, he is not a person.
 
He is a spirit.  that spirit is in innumerable beings, all in one perfect love, harmony kingdom.
 
We are so mixed up, we cannot even imagine a kingdom where absolutely no jealousy,  self-glorying, or anything else, gets in the way of perfect love and harmony.
But this is how that kingdom of God is.  If I  knew and called one of them,  not one of the others would be jealous or mad.
 
That is how they are all one.  
 
No.  the KJV is perfect.  Truth is there to all who study it and allow God to show the answers in the book,  not some man's stuff.
 
Holy Ghost is not a man.  It is not a person.  It is not a third person.  that is not taught in Scripture.
 
Holy Ghost is the Spirit God sends here to work with us.  It is part of the God kingdom.    It is not part of the human kingdom.  Jesus is a member of the human kingdom, and now, by the blessing of God, he is also a member of the God kingdom.
 
I hope you can someday see into this.
 
Jo
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 10/15/2006 11:37 PM
Well, I wish to make a correction about how many I know who believes the TRUTH  that God is innumerable,  a multi-membered KINGDOM.
 
My two daughters also believe this, along with Larry and me.  So as far as I know, we four, are the only ones who sees this truth right now.
 
There could possibly be others, of which I am not aware.  I hope so.
 
Hope others will come to see this wonderful truth.
for this is the prayer of Jesus for US.......JOHN 17...Father I pray that they all MAY BE   ONE  AS  WE  ARE ONE.
 
tHAT  is their lofty goal for us little humans, who love Jesus.

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 10/18/2006 12:22 AM
I am not sure, but seems like eeyla said she also believes this many-membered kingdom of God. 
Is that right, eeyla?  Hope so.  You seem to have it all right so far.  Keep learning and growing in grace and knowledge of the Word.
 
Bless you all,  and may this truth come clear to all His Children.
 
Me

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